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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 30, 2014 15:01:25 GMT -5
And he's not. I like HHH but he doesn't have that "next level" thing that allows him to be a legitimate special attraction as a part-time performer. Even with his losses, Brock's managed to retain that feel. UT still has the streak to keep his special attraction uniqueness. Andre was Andre. HHH is...just not as impressive. In the fans' eyes, he's not something super-special, he's just a semi-retired guy and mostly viewed as a suit these days. Vince pulled it off because he wasn't previously a full-time wrestler, and people were salivating to finally see Austin beat the crap out of him. There's just no draw there to HHH coming back to take on a top star. Which really, begs the question - what did Punk want for Wrestlemania? WWE hasn't even come close to building up anyone near Punk's level for the current roster. Unless he was shooting for Punk/Bryan (just to say they headlined WM) or Punk/Batista (not really a dream match, but still one that hasn't been done to death), what exactly did he want? I'm guessing it's a combination of factors. Punk likely wanted to main event WM, a stated goal of his. However, he's also been vocal in saying that this year really should end with Bryan main eventing, since he sees it as "most cheered guy vs. most booed guy" making for the best main event. That presents two options that were probably alluring to him, the former because it's his personal goal, and the latter because it'd likely provide the best show. Yet after two straight years of the WM main event being deferred to a part-timer who can't really go anymore, he sees the writing team doing the exact same thing this year, but now with a guy who's nowhere near the level of popularity the Rock ever achieved. Combine that with his overall feelings of burn out and injuries that need to be nursed, and he probably just didn't want to deal with it all anymore. So if I had to take an uneducated guess, I'd wager that Punk simply wanted to see a main event that indicated that the company was going in some kind of new direction, something that indicated that things were now officially different. The prospective Orton vs. Batista match is the exact opposite of that. EDIT: To add to that, I'd guess he's of the mind some of us are, too, that even if they backtrack now and put Bryan in the WM main event, it still feels like a desperation move, instead of being the move they'd have naturally gone for. If they change at all, it will have taken INSANE fan backlash to make it happen. Of course, I also don't want to ignore the seeming annoyance some of the wrestlers apparently have over not knowing how the Network will hurt or help their pay days...
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 30, 2014 15:04:31 GMT -5
I definitely hope you're right. Although I don't want people to barrack Batista over this either, actually. Feels like blaming the symptom, not the cause. He kind of is the cause. He could've turned down the Rumble win and Mania spot, and he could've offered to put guys over. Well, possible in theory I guess, but I don't know what kind of special insanity that would require. Coming in to put someone over or, say, refusing to break Taker's streak at a WM is one thing. Who's really going to stand there and say "I'm booked to win the Rumble and main event WrestleMania? Oh, no thanks, give it to someone else, please." I can't think of any previous situation where that's happened, or any wrestler that's done something similar or even suggested they would. I'd think they were stark staring bonkers. I'd love to know if it has happened, particularly when the Rumble became a bigger deal than when it started off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 15:04:55 GMT -5
ESPN can feature someone in a 30 for 30 and extensively talk to that person and still you might not really know what that person exactly feels and thinks about a subject. RF video can film a 5 disc - 14 hour (we'll pretend it's 18h) shoot interview and you still don't get all details and thought processes.
But, a 3rd hand "news update" on Punk situation knows exactly what Triple H feels and thinks about the whole thing.
Next time when they have an update, why not post this .gif as a part of the news because that might be what Triple H was thinking in his head about CM Punk while he attended a Jiu Jitsu class with his daughters?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 30, 2014 15:05:41 GMT -5
He kind of is the cause. He could've turned down the Rumble win and Mania spot, and he could've offered to put guys over. Well, possible in theory I guess, but I don't know what kind of special insanity that would require. Coming in to put someone over or, say, refusing to break Taker's streak at a WM is one thing. Who's really going to stand there and say "I'm booked to win the Rumble and main event WrestleMania? Oh, no thanks, give it to someone else, please." I can't think of any previous situation where that's happened, or any wrestler that's done something similar or even suggested they would. I'd think they were stark staring bonkers. I'd love to know if it has happened, particularly when the Rumble became a bigger deal than when it started off. A humble guy who realizes he had his time and that it's time for the next generation to step up and get their chance?
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Post by mizerable on Jan 30, 2014 15:06:29 GMT -5
I bet, next weeks RAW Punk will have 'bought a ticket' and sit ringside as just a fan. And then a real fan runs in between the ladder match between Daniel Bryan and Bray Wyatt. After Bryan wins, Punk turns heel on him.
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Post by Boozeman on Jan 30, 2014 15:14:55 GMT -5
There's a video on YouTube from Punk's Wizard World Q&A now.
After watching that, I really don't think Punk leaving is a matter of wanting a better match at Wrestlemania. In that Q&A, he sounds pretty resigned to the fact that his "window" to be the top guy has closed and is probably never going to happen, and that this is Daniel Bryan's time to be on top now.
So if I had to guess his inner most thoughts on that five minute video clip, my guess would be that once he came to that realization that he had effectively grabbed the last one of Vincent K. McMahon's brass rings that he was ever going to get, he decided he'd rather just go home then spend another 6 months there.
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Jan 30, 2014 15:17:19 GMT -5
And he's not. I like HHH but he doesn't have that "next level" thing that allows him to be a legitimate special attraction as a part-time performer. Even with his losses, Brock's managed to retain that feel. UT still has the streak to keep his special attraction uniqueness. Andre was Andre. HHH is...just not as impressive. In the fans' eyes, he's not something super-special, he's just a semi-retired guy and mostly viewed as a suit these days. Vince pulled it off because he wasn't previously a full-time wrestler, and people were salivating to finally see Austin beat the crap out of him. There's just no draw there to HHH coming back to take on a top star. Which really, begs the question - what did Punk want for Wrestlemania? WWE hasn't even come close to building up anyone near Punk's level for the current roster. Unless he was shooting for Punk/Bryan (just to say they headlined WM) or Punk/Batista (not really a dream match, but still one that hasn't been done to death), what exactly did he want? I think he just wanted to be doing something that actually mattered, even if that something meant he ended up staring at the lights at the end of it. He just wanted his (potentially) last Wrestlemania to be one where he went out with a bang, not in some meaningless match five from the top that had very little build behind it and very little story to tell. Punk vs. Kane would be a good match, I don't doubt. But a meaningful one? That I do doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 15:17:42 GMT -5
Which really, begs the question - what did Punk want for Wrestlemania? WWE hasn't even come close to building up anyone near Punk's level for the current roster. Unless he was shooting for Punk/Bryan (just to say they headlined WM) or Punk/Batista (not really a dream match, but still one that hasn't been done to death), what exactly did he want? So if I had to take an uneducated guess, I'd wager that Punk simply wanted to see a main event that indicated that the company was going in some kind of new direction, something that indicated that things were now officially different. The prospective Orton vs. Batista match is the exact opposite of that. Yeah, he was also complaining about how slapdash the booking/writing is in WWE. They don't plan out years or even months in advance according to him. They're still putting together WM (not just cause Punk left either) for Pete's sake.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 30, 2014 15:18:47 GMT -5
Which really, begs the question - what did Punk want for Wrestlemania? WWE hasn't even come close to building up anyone near Punk's level for the current roster. Unless he was shooting for Punk/Bryan (just to say they headlined WM) or Punk/Batista (not really a dream match, but still one that hasn't been done to death), what exactly did he want? I think he just wanted to be doing something that actually mattered, even if that something meant he ended up staring at the lights at the end of it. He just wanted his (potentially) last Wrestlemania to be one where he went out with a bang, not in some meaningless match five from the top that had very little build behind it and very little story to tell. Punk vs. Kane would be a good match, I don't doubt. But a meaningful one? That I do doubt. I know I felt bad for Orton in 2012 when he got stuck with Kane. Kane and Big Show should be banned from Wrestlemania matches with main event level guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 15:19:58 GMT -5
Which really, begs the question - what did Punk want for Wrestlemania? WWE hasn't even come close to building up anyone near Punk's level for the current roster. Unless he was shooting for Punk/Bryan (just to say they headlined WM) or Punk/Batista (not really a dream match, but still one that hasn't been done to death), what exactly did he want? I think he just wanted to be doing something that actually mattered, even if that something meant he ended up staring at the lights at the end of it. He just wanted his (potentially) last Wrestlemania to be one where he went out with a bang, not in some meaningless match five from the top that had very little build behind it and very little story to tell. Punk vs. Kane would be a good match, I don't doubt. But a meaningful one? That I do doubt. As egotistical as Punk is, I agree that I'd imagine he'd want his last match at WM to be losing to some up and comer, making the younger guy look really good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 15:20:01 GMT -5
Hopefully Punk just told them to f*** off. As petty as Vince and the WWE has been to guys over the years they could stand to be told to f*** off a few times and made to look like goofs. I don't even really care what his reason is at this point.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 30, 2014 15:22:46 GMT -5
didn't they tease Punk/HHH on the Raw prior to TLC? how could he have not had even a small idea that it would go that route?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 15:27:23 GMT -5
didn't they tease Punk/HHH on the Raw prior to TLC? how could he have not had even a small idea that it would go that route? He's probably been fighting it for months and just now realized its not going to change the way he wants it to. I doubt he was like "What me vs HHH at WM? I'm outta here!!"
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 30, 2014 15:29:20 GMT -5
I actually think he quit because he was gonna be demoted from wrestling Trips to wrestling Kane and DBry was getting his spot. Everybody on the card was getting knocked down a peg because of Dave FREAKING Batista!!!
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Post by king1836 on Jan 30, 2014 15:34:34 GMT -5
I really hope this is NOT a work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 15:35:35 GMT -5
Batista being brought back was, to me, a sign that the WWE saw what they had and didn't think it was good enough for WM30.
For a guy like Punk who gives his all and works both TV shows and house shows constantly, it makes total sense that he'd react like this to that decision being made and then actually being put into place.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 30, 2014 15:44:52 GMT -5
I'd laugh if Bryan bailed once he heard he'll be the one working with Triple H now.
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Post by Bootista on Jan 30, 2014 15:46:28 GMT -5
Well, possible in theory I guess, but I don't know what kind of special insanity that would require. Coming in to put someone over or, say, refusing to break Taker's streak at a WM is one thing. Who's really going to stand there and say "I'm booked to win the Rumble and main event WrestleMania? Oh, no thanks, give it to someone else, please." I can't think of any previous situation where that's happened, or any wrestler that's done something similar or even suggested they would. I'd think they were stark staring bonkers. I'd love to know if it has happened, particularly when the Rumble became a bigger deal than when it started off. A humble guy who realizes he had his time and that it's time for the next generation to step up and get their chance? Let's be Honest, More People would rather see someone like Batista in the Main Event than a Yoshi Tatsu, Zack Ryder, JTG.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 30, 2014 15:52:44 GMT -5
A humble guy who realizes he had his time and that it's time for the next generation to step up and get their chance? Let's be Honest, More People would rather see someone like Batista in the Main Event than a Yoshi Tatsu, Zack Ryder, JTG. At least you spared him Alex Riley. #nevergiveup #monstertrucks #arirrk15
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 30, 2014 16:01:58 GMT -5
Well, possible in theory I guess, but I don't know what kind of special insanity that would require. Coming in to put someone over or, say, refusing to break Taker's streak at a WM is one thing. Who's really going to stand there and say "I'm booked to win the Rumble and main event WrestleMania? Oh, no thanks, give it to someone else, please." I can't think of any previous situation where that's happened, or any wrestler that's done something similar or even suggested they would. I'd think they were stark staring bonkers. I'd love to know if it has happened, particularly when the Rumble became a bigger deal than when it started off. A humble guy who realizes he had his time and that it's time for the next generation to step up and get their chance? I don't want to go that far with Batista. He's been given a great offer, there's almost no reason why he shouldn't run with it. One could argue that Batista doesn't represent what's best for WWE's long term business interests, but that's not really Batista's responsibility to worry about. The onus is on the creative teams, on the owners, on the investors, etc. etc. etc. It's why it's silly to show up for a show to boo the top acts; so long as fans keep showing up, why shouldn't those guys remain the top acts (or at least that's the argument that you'll get)? If you hate a company's direction and dislike the guys they keep pushing as the best in the business, then just don't give them your money.
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