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Post by Error on Jan 30, 2014 20:57:08 GMT -5
Watching/listening to the NXT stream. Those Full Sail kids are going to have fun editing out all those chants. Where do you watch NXT live (if it's legal to ask)? If it is the one I am thinking of it is run by the school and is legal to post, I don't know it though, just making it known so it might be posted.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 30, 2014 20:57:59 GMT -5
GUYS, I FIGURED IT OUT. With the company in such turmoil, Punk decided that now was the perfect time to drop his debut album. The CM Punk LP drops next month. Features the masterpiece known as "Kim, AJ, Lita, Traci, Daffney, and that other chick." Very emotional song.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jan 30, 2014 20:59:32 GMT -5
Where do you watch NXT live (if it's legal to ask)? If it is the one I am thinking of it is run by the school and is legal to post, I don't know it though, just making it known so it might be posted. wwesocialstream.com/
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Post by Boo! on Jan 30, 2014 21:00:55 GMT -5
He allowed himself to do the thing wth Kane for weeks with no indication to anyone senior that he'd bolt. 100% presumption, or source. Make your choice. It's a reasonable presumption that two guys in a programme would get together and work out detail and spots. We don't know he used English to tell McMahon and didn't recite a resignation speech in Urdu but neither of us can prove it either way but if we took fairly basic assumptions (such as two guys in a program together talking and working out things) and questioned them, we'd be here all night asking any number of redundant "How do you know?" questions.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 30, 2014 21:02:28 GMT -5
100% presumption, or source. Make your choice. It's a reasonable presumption that two guys in a programme would get together and work out detail and spots. We don't know he used English to tell McMahon and didn't receipt a resignation script in Urdu but neither of us can prove it either way but if we took fairly basic assumptions (such as two guys in a program together talking and working out things) and questioned them, we'd be here all night asking any number of redundant "How do you know?" questions. That's not even relating to what I was disputing. You absolutely know that "He allowed himself to do the thing wth Kane for weeks with no indication to anyone senior that he'd bolt." is complete made up hooey. There's no way any of us could possibly know that and you state it as fact.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 30, 2014 21:04:16 GMT -5
It's a reasonable presumption that two guys in a programme would get together and work out detail and spots. We don't know he used English to tell McMahon and didn't receipt a resignation script in Urdu but neither of us can prove it either way but if we took fairly basic assumptions (such as two guys in a program together talking and working out things) and questioned them, we'd be here all night asking any number of redundant "How do you know?" questions. That's not even relating to what I was disputing. You absolutely know that "He allowed himself to do the thing wth Kane for weeks with no indication to anyone senior that he'd bolt." is complete made up hooey. There's no way any of us could possibly know that and you state it as fact. The whole thread is 70 pages long full of people discussing something few know anything about in terms of facts or detail and you decide to pull me up on my assumption Kane and Punk were in dialogue over the feud and that it's likely Punk didn't make the decision at the last minute? Really?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 30, 2014 21:05:03 GMT -5
You guys are better than I for still trying to argue with Gorilla.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 30, 2014 21:05:05 GMT -5
That's not even relating to what I was disputing. You absolutely know that "He allowed himself to do the thing wth Kane for weeks with no indication to anyone senior that he'd bolt." is complete made up hooey. There's no way any of us could possibly know that and you state it as fact. The whole thread is 70 pages long full of people discussing something few know anything about in terms of facts or detail and you decide to pull me up on my assumption Kane and Punk were in dialogue over the feud and that it's likely Punk didn't make the decision at the last minute? Really? Well the condescending matter of fact tone is something of a beacon for the bullshit detector.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 30, 2014 21:07:27 GMT -5
The whole thread is 70 pages long full of people discussing something few know anything about in terms of facts or detail and you decide to pull me up on my assumption Kane and Punk were in dialogue over the feud and that it's likely Punk didn't make the decision at the last minute? Really? Well the condescending matter of fact tone is something of a beacon for the bullshit detector. It's not condescending in the slightest. Hundreds of assumptions have been made in this thread from a "Stick it to 'em Punk" stand point presuming he left because of creative differences or unhappy with Batista or Bryan's treatment - all fine for 70 pages, and suddenly the pedantry gets introduced when someone questions just how professional his conduct was? I don't remember seeing "presumption or source?" posted when everyone was speculating he was unhappy with this that or the other. I just made a reasonable assumption that he probably knew he was going for longer than he let on which is odd why the night before he did the spot with Kane at the Rumble. But because this isn't "go Punk", it's jumped on.
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 30, 2014 21:09:15 GMT -5
Reading on Wrestlezone that, in addition to waiting for chants to die down, fans are having CM Punk signs confiscated by event staff.
Edit --> As was pointed on the last page. Whoops!
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 30, 2014 21:10:06 GMT -5
Well the condescending matter of fact tone is something of a beacon for the bullshit detector. It's not condescending in the slightest. Hundreds of assumptions have been made in this thread from a "Stick it to 'em Punk" stand point presuming he left because of creative differences or unhappy with Batista or Bryan's treatment - all fine for 70 pages, and suddenly the pedantry gets introduced when someone questions just how professional his conduct was? Well when I see something that's totally made up I call it out. Not the first time I've done so in this thread. So pretty much these were our two options after the Royal Rumble: A. Piss off the people who complained about Daniel Bryan's booking and risk fans hijacking more shows B. CM Punk walks out of the company Tough call Rather presumptuous on exactly why Punk left, and several other unknown variables.
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 30, 2014 21:10:39 GMT -5
In any walk of life that's unacceptable. At-will employment. It's totally acceptable; it's not preferred, but the second my employer decides I'm not working out, I'm gone. The second I decide they're not working out, I can walk away. No financial or moral obligation from either one of us... we're not running a charity here.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 30, 2014 21:10:45 GMT -5
Reading on Wrestlezone that, in addition to waiting for chants to die down, fans are having CM Punk signs confiscated by event staff. I don't understand what "waiting for chants to die down" means in this context?
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 30, 2014 21:12:01 GMT -5
You guys are better than I for still trying to argue with Gorilla. So this time it's the people asking GORILLA 'Will you stop?' We really are in an interesting time in the wrestling world.
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 30, 2014 21:12:03 GMT -5
Reading on Wrestlezone that, in addition to waiting for chants to die down, fans are having CM Punk signs confiscated by event staff. I don't understand what "waiting for chants to die down" means in this context? Report mentions that CM Punk chants were very loud, and they held off taping for them to die out enough to be drowned out by music/commentary.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 30, 2014 21:14:48 GMT -5
If it is the one I am thinking of it is run by the school and is legal to post, I don't know it though, just making it known so it might be posted. wwesocialstream.com/Oh hey, it's Punk in the bowling thing he did.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 30, 2014 21:15:43 GMT -5
In any walk of life that's unacceptable. At-will employment. It's totally acceptable; it's not preferred, but the second my employer decides I'm not working out, I'm gone. The second I decide they're not working out, I can walk away. No financial or moral obligation from either one of us... we're not running a charity here. But WWE couldn't do that, he was contracted until July. Save gross misconduct they'd have had to pay him until July whether he was on screen or not. If they just said "You know what, we don't want to pay you any more. Bye!", he, and we in that circumstance, would rightly be outraged by that. WARNING: In the above post I've made a presumption someone would be unhappy with their contract being terminated.
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 30, 2014 21:17:23 GMT -5
At-will employment. It's totally acceptable; it's not preferred, but the second my employer decides I'm not working out, I'm gone. The second I decide they're not working out, I can walk away. No financial or moral obligation from either one of us... we're not running a charity here. But WWE couldn't do that, he was contracted until July. Save gross misconduct they'd have had to pay him until July whether he was on screen or not. If they just said "You know what, we don't want to pay you any more. Bye!", he, and we in that circumstance, would rightly be outraged by that. Did you say it was unacceptable in the context of a contractor and his client, or did you say that it was unacceptable in any walk of life?
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Post by angryfan on Jan 30, 2014 21:17:30 GMT -5
In any walk of life that's unacceptable. At-will employment. It's totally acceptable; it's not preferred, but the second my employer decides I'm not working out, I'm gone. The second I decide they're not working out, I can walk away. No financial or moral obligation from either one of us... we're not running a charity here. Bingo. I am an at-will employee. I can walk into work in the morning and be told "Sorry, we have no use for you anymore, good bye". I've seen it happen to others. Ideally, one WANTS to say "OK, I'm done, I'll give my notice and work out a schedule", but with the realization that, should Punk have done so what was he looking forward to? "We need you on every house show and every taping", his schedule jumps and yet he still doesn't get the things HE wants. There is NO upside, unless he's going to ask Vince for a reference. EDIT: And Punk could be released today, and he'd have the same 90 day no-compete and get paid as everyone else gets.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 30, 2014 21:18:06 GMT -5
At-will employment. It's totally acceptable; it's not preferred, but the second my employer decides I'm not working out, I'm gone. The second I decide they're not working out, I can walk away. No financial or moral obligation from either one of us... we're not running a charity here. But WWE couldn't do that, he was contracted until July. Save gross misconduct they'd have had to pay him until July whether he was on screen or not. If they just said "You know what, we don't want to pay you any more. Bye!", he, and we in that circumstance, would rightly be outraged by that. WARNING: In the above post I've made a presumption someone would be unhappy with their contract being terminated. I told myself I wouldn't get involved but...what? WWE COULD do that. It's called firing someone. They have that right just like Punk has the right to go "f*** this" and quit. This ain't slavery.
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