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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Apr 21, 2014 12:44:00 GMT -5
Since you brought it up, I always thought Randy Savage's Slim Jim career was entirely during his WCW phase. Never knew until watching those RAWs that he advertised for Slim Jim while still being in the WWF. Aside from the Stephanie rumors, the most popular belief is that McMahon was angry with Savage because he took the Slim Jim sponsorship to WCW. I never bought that because if there was money to be made later with the Macho Man why would money back then matter that much?
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Post by Shark on Apr 21, 2014 13:15:05 GMT -5
Aside from the Stephanie rumors, the most popular belief is that McMahon was angry with Savage because he took the Slim Jim sponsorship to WCW. I never bought that because if there was money to be made later with the Macho Man why would money back then matter that much? That was a major sponsorship back then. Wrestlers weren't really the face of a product back then, hell even now, so I can imagine that was not only money, but also positive exposure for WWE at a time they needed it badly, so I can buy Vince being upset about it. Maybe not so much that that's the only reason Savage was blackballed for so long, but I can see it being something McMahon was sore about for a long time.
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 21, 2014 13:34:50 GMT -5
Lots of people probably didn't realize until the most recent Warrior documentary that the Slim Jim promos actually started with the Ultimate Warrior until he was fired and they started putting Macho in the commercials.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 21, 2014 14:07:39 GMT -5
I never bought that because if there was money to be made later with the Macho Man why would money back then matter that much? That was a major sponsorship back then. Wrestlers weren't really the face of a product back then, hell even now, so I can imagine that was not only money, but also positive exposure for WWE at a time they needed it badly, so I can buy Vince being upset about it. Maybe not so much that that's the only reason Savage was blackballed for so long, but I can see it being something McMahon was sore about for a long time. Pretty much. The early to mid-nineties were a very lean time for the WWF/WWE, so this was a mighty blow. It also might have had something to do with negative emotions related to Miss Elizabeth, who Vince considered a dear friend at a time, and their blowout, which would also explain WWE's cooled attitude towards Luger.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Apr 21, 2014 14:18:23 GMT -5
That was a major sponsorship back then. Wrestlers weren't really the face of a product back then, hell even now, so I can imagine that was not only money, but also positive exposure for WWE at a time they needed it badly, so I can buy Vince being upset about it. Maybe not so much that that's the only reason Savage was blackballed for so long, but I can see it being something McMahon was sore about for a long time. Pretty much. The early to mid-nineties were a very lean time for the WWF/WWE, so this was a mighty blow. It also might have had something to do with negative emotions related to Miss Elizabeth, who Vince considered a dear friend at a time, and their blowout, which would also explain WWE's cooled attitude towards Luger. I'd buy the Liz thing before it just being the Slim Jim thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 14:20:27 GMT -5
Val Venis and Rick Rude had the EXACT same gimmick. Val was basically just Rude made "edgier" for the Attitude Era.
Being an announcer in early 90s WCW seemed to largely consist of coming up with reasons to explain why people weren't getting DQed for blatantly breaking rules. (For example - he was tossed over the top rope, but he landed on the STAGE not the floor, so no DQ; they BOTH went over the top rope, so no DQ; this match was so hotly anticipated the ref is REALLY giving them leeway.)
On that note, the Randy Anderson and Nick Patrick were racist. As an example, in Spring Stampede '94, the "rules" were being broken all night long, but Great Muta gets IMMEDIATELY DQed upon clotheslining Steve Austin over the top rope.
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 21, 2014 14:21:21 GMT -5
I also learned that if you're watching a DVD on your PS3 that hitting X will not pause it
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Post by Shark on Apr 21, 2014 14:36:02 GMT -5
DX had a very short window where they were an interesting and viable stable. From their incarnation in the fall of 97 to their original separation in the Spring of 99, they were a fun group and felt edgy. But when they got back together in late 99 and all through 2000 they felt incredible passe. They even felt that way before the split in 99, but it got really bad in 2000 and felt like guys clinging to clinging to something that wasn't working anymore. X-Pac is especially guilty of this.
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Post by bigalbass86 AKA Smokin Vokoun on Apr 21, 2014 16:20:15 GMT -5
Found out that Wrestlemania 2 and Wrestlemania 15 are very comparable
1. Both took place smack dab in the middle of boom periods for the WWF
2. Are good representations of what was going on during those eras.
3. But feature ALOT of filler matches that no one cared about with the exception of the Main Events.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 21, 2014 16:25:29 GMT -5
Pretty much. The early to mid-nineties were a very lean time for the WWF/WWE, so this was a mighty blow. It also might have had something to do with negative emotions related to Miss Elizabeth, who Vince considered a dear friend at a time, and their blowout, which would also explain WWE's cooled attitude towards Luger. I'd buy the Liz thing before it just being the Slim Jim thing. It's probably one of those situations with no single answer, since I guess relationships between people, in wrestling or out, are rarely as simple as one single thing that can be pointed to, but rather a few things. I would love if Vince wrote a book and explained his reasoning for a lot of things, but odds are, we will never know for sure.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 21, 2014 22:57:57 GMT -5
I learned last night while watching In Your House: International Incident that it's one of the most hilarious PPVs ever. Not only does Jim Ross go apeshit over faulty equipment during the opening match (worked for his weird heel thing he did at the time, but still funny), but it also features Brian Pillman saying that Skip and Zip double-team Sunny as you can almost hear Vince shit his pants, and Vince and Lawler arguing over the gender of a fan in the front row, also during the opening contest. Possibly one of the most fun I've ever had watching an old show. I recommend at least the first half hour of this show to anyone who wants a laugh.
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Post by cjh on Apr 22, 2014 0:07:57 GMT -5
I learned last night while watching In Your House: International Incident that it's one of the most hilarious PPVs ever. Not only does Jim Ross go apeshit over faulty equipment during the opening match (worked for his weird heel thing he did at the time, but still funny), but it also features Brian Pillman saying that Skip and Zip double-team Sunny as you can almost hear Vince shit his pants, and Vince and Lawler arguing over the gender of a fan in the front row, also during the opening contest. Possibly one of the most fun I've ever had watching an old show. I recommend at least the first half hour of this show to anyone who wants a laugh. The stuff with JR, Vince, and Lawler happened a couple months later at Buried Alive (during the opener with Austin and Triple H), not International Incident.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 22, 2014 0:56:39 GMT -5
I learned last night while watching In Your House: International Incident that it's one of the most hilarious PPVs ever. Not only does Jim Ross go apeshit over faulty equipment during the opening match (worked for his weird heel thing he did at the time, but still funny), but it also features Brian Pillman saying that Skip and Zip double-team Sunny as you can almost hear Vince shit his pants, and Vince and Lawler arguing over the gender of a fan in the front row, also during the opening contest. Possibly one of the most fun I've ever had watching an old show. I recommend at least the first half hour of this show to anyone who wants a laugh. The stuff with JR, Vince, and Lawler happened a couple months later at Buried Alive (during the opener with Austin and Triple H), not International Incident. Right, sorry. I watched both last night and got them mixed up. So yeah, watch Buried Alive.
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Post by Shark on Apr 22, 2014 3:14:47 GMT -5
The ending to Survivor Series 2000 where Austin drops Triple H in a car off a crane was insanely hokey. The editing was goofy and when the car fell off the crane, Triple H lets out a scream of "Holy sh**" that made me fall out of my chair with laughter.
There's also about a 20 minute portion at Armageddon 2000 where nothing happens. Undertaker talks for about a year about all the things he's done to guys in Hell in A Cell, complete with goofy flashbacks, and then Vince McMahon talks for about an hour about how upset he was that the 6 man HIAC was happening. If this happened today, my God this forum would blow up with complaints!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 22, 2014 11:25:47 GMT -5
I learnt that a lot more things were inaccurate in The Death of WCW book than I originally thought
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Post by rowdy426 on Apr 22, 2014 12:30:13 GMT -5
I just watched Kurt Angle's debut at Survivor Series 1999 vs. Shawn Stasiak; Stasiak used a version of the F5 on Angle toward the end. The only difference between the moves is Brock falls to his back, Stasiak fell to his stomach.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Apr 22, 2014 13:00:41 GMT -5
But WWF still did Slim Jim commercials with Bigelow and ? into 1995. I think Vince was just butthurt that he went to WCW, then that he never came back to him. To him, joining WCW was probably WORSE than doing anything to his daughter.
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Post by Shark on Apr 22, 2014 13:58:59 GMT -5
Much like I said a few posts ago about DX, Stone Cold Steve Austin felt REALLY passe when he returned in 2000. His matches felt the exact same and his anti-authority gimmick just didn't fit anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 17:28:16 GMT -5
I learnt that a lot more things were inaccurate in The Death of WCW book than I originally thought You have my attention. Please elaborate.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 22, 2014 19:35:19 GMT -5
I learnt that a lot more things were inaccurate in The Death of WCW book than I originally thought You have my attention. Please elaborate. I do too since I read about how great the book was and question everything R.D. and Bryan say.
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