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Post by Reflecto on Apr 22, 2014 22:49:21 GMT -5
But WWF still did Slim Jim commercials with Bigelow and ? into 1995. I think Vince was just butthurt that he went to WCW, then that he never came back to him. To him, joining WCW was probably WORSE than doing anything to his daughter. Well, there were also more problems with him going to WCW at the time: He went to WCW (strike 1), apparently while he was WWF's head booker at the time (strike 2), and he apparently never gave Vince a chance to try and match his offer (strike 3).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 1:59:37 GMT -5
Paul Roma wasn't even that bad...in fact, I quite liked his run with Orndorff.
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Post by Marty McFry on Apr 23, 2014 12:58:52 GMT -5
On the Savage/Slim Jim story...
I can't remember where I read it and who said it but I can remember reading that Vince heard Savage was negotiating with WCW and he told him that if he and the Slim Jim deal went to WCW, financially it could have meant the end of the WWF. Savage then apparently gave Vince his word he wasn't going to WCW.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 23, 2014 13:22:02 GMT -5
I learnt that a lot more things were inaccurate in The Death of WCW book than I originally thought You have my attention. Please elaborate. No problem. Not all are big but there are some things that were overblown. 1.They mention Dustin Rhodes as being a guy not ready for a push similar to Erik Watts. Between 1992 and 1994 Rhodes was arguably the 2nd most over singles face behind Sting. 2.They mention Ron Simmons not being over when he won the WCW title but that's also not the case. He got good reactions and was always treated as a big deal. 3.To go along with Simmons, they talk about The Barbarian being a poor choice to have as one of his first title defenses while the Barbarian was treated as a monster heel on par with Vader during his singles run in WCW. 4.While the Starrcade 97 main event was messed up, they talk about how WCW was made to look like idiots all night which wasn't the case. Before the main event WCW vs nWo was 2-2 on the night against each other and the nWo's only wins coming from blatant cheating after WCW made them look terrible 5.They said the Piper/Hogan match from Starrcade 96 was awful and the only reaction came from Piper winning. Not true, the crowd was hot for the match, and the commentaters and Mene Gene focused on Piper's legit hip surgery and asked how that would hamper him and it added to the story of the match. 6.The crowd popped for Nash winning the title from Goldberg even if it was extremely overbooked. 7.I mentioned before, they talk about how Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero were underused, but one debuted and was put right in the 4 Horsemen (and used in a lot of big time angles) and the other feuded with Ric Flair right off the bat and was one of only a few WCW guys to get clean victories over the nWo. 8.While the nWo did grow too large. Guys like Big Bubba and Konnan were pretty over in the group. 9.Another little one, during the infamous Great American Bash where the fans chanted "We Want Flair" there was a Scaffold Match where they did announce the rule changes ahead of time when the book says they didn't. 10.While he never reached Stone Cold levels, before he got injured Stunning Steve Austin was always treated like a big deal and was one of WCW's most decorated wrestlers of the early 90's. Not a lot of big things, and I do enjoy the book, but a lot of guys weren't as mismanaged as the book would lead you to believe
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Post by Shark on Apr 23, 2014 13:41:39 GMT -5
You have my attention. Please elaborate. No problem. Not all are big but there are some things that were overblown. 4.While the Starrcade 97 main event was messed up, they talk about how WCW was made to look like idiots all night which wasn't the case. Before the main event WCW vs nWo was 2-2 on the night against each other and the nWo's only wins coming from blatant cheating after WCW made them look terrible 7.I mentioned before, they talk about how Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero were underused, but one debuted and was put right in the 4 Horsemen (and used in a lot of big time angles) and the other feuded with Ric Flair right off the bat and was one of only a few WCW guys to get clean victories over the nWo. About Starrcade, I think their main point was that the show should have been WCW getting their revenge on the NWO all the way through the show. Also it was who was losing, i.e. Luger and the Steiners, had they been guys way lower on the roster, it probably wouldn't have been a big deal. About Benoit and Guerrero, They were featured and made to look more important before the NWO really took off.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Apr 23, 2014 14:21:48 GMT -5
re: the scaffold match...I don't think they mentioned the new rules until the match was to take place.
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Post by The QC Loser on Apr 23, 2014 18:02:58 GMT -5
During Starcade 87 Sting was billed as "From every mans worst nightmare"
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Apr 23, 2014 18:30:10 GMT -5
During Starcade 87 Sting was billed as "From every mans worst nightmare" Which was the Yin to Eddie Gilbert's Yang of being from "Every girl's dream."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 18:54:02 GMT -5
You have my attention. Please elaborate. No problem. Not all are big but there are some things that were overblown. 1.They mention Dustin Rhodes as being a guy not ready for a push similar to Erik Watts. Between 1992 and 1994 Rhodes was arguably the 2nd most over singles face behind Sting. 2.They mention Ron Simmons not being over when he won the WCW title but that's also not the case. He got good reactions and was always treated as a big deal. 3.To go along with Simmons, they talk about The Barbarian being a poor choice to have as one of his first title defenses while the Barbarian was treated as a monster heel on par with Vader during his singles run in WCW. 4.While the Starrcade 97 main event was messed up, they talk about how WCW was made to look like idiots all night which wasn't the case. Before the main event WCW vs nWo was 2-2 on the night against each other and the nWo's only wins coming from blatant cheating after WCW made them look terrible 5.They said the Piper/Hogan match from Starrcade 96 was awful and the only reaction came from Piper winning. Not true, the crowd was hot for the match, and the commentaters and Mene Gene focused on Piper's legit hip surgery and asked how that would hamper him and it added to the story of the match. 6.The crowd popped for Nash winning the title from Goldberg even if it was extremely overbooked. 7.I mentioned before, they talk about how Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero were underused, but one debuted and was put right in the 4 Horsemen (and used in a lot of big time angles) and the other feuded with Ric Flair right off the bat and was one of only a few WCW guys to get clean victories over the nWo. 8.While the nWo did grow too large. Guys like Big Bubba and Konnan were pretty over in the group. 9.Another little one, during the infamous Great American Bash where the fans chanted "We Want Flair" there was a Scaffold Match where they did announce the rule changes ahead of time when the book says they didn't. 10.While he never reached Stone Cold levels, before he got injured Stunning Steve Austin was always treated like a big deal and was one of WCW's most decorated wrestlers of the early 90's. Not a lot of big things, and I do enjoy the book, but a lot of guys weren't as mismanaged as the book would lead you to believe I'm not trying to defend the book, but really all of those points were subjective and I agree with them on all of them. You could make a case that Benoit and Eddie weren't underused since they were used well, but compared to what they could have been in WCW? Underused definitely fits. You had me thinking that the book was objectively wrong like Albano & Sugar's guide... this one just had some things that you didn't agree with, nothing that you could definitively prove was "incorrect".
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Apr 23, 2014 19:03:39 GMT -5
There was a period in 1993 and 1994 when Shawn Michaels used the piledriver as a finisher. It was after Shawn had used the Teardrop Suplex as his finisher and before it would be the Sweet Chin Music (which he had used for years as a signature move).
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Apr 23, 2014 23:41:26 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000's main event of The Rock vs. Kane vs. Benoit vs. Undertaker was a DAMN good match.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 24, 2014 0:42:12 GMT -5
The Mountie gave the middle finger to the camera at Summerslam 1991. Was this the first occurrence in the WWF of this?
Heenan on the same show during the IRS/Valentine match calls Sid Justice, "Sid Vicious"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 4:13:33 GMT -5
Unforgiven 2000's main event of The Rock vs. Kane vs. Benoit vs. Undertaker was a DAMN good match. I was kind of bugged by how awkward the fake pin was - I didn't even notice Taker's feet on the ropes and they never actually recapped it so it just came off like Benoit was getting screwed over by Foley for no reason until the commentators pointed it out - but outside of that, yeah, damn good match. Actually, really it's sort of weird they didn't have Benoit win anyway then have Rock take the title back on the TNN debut the next night.
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Apr 24, 2014 11:53:48 GMT -5
There was a period in 1993 and 1994 when Shawn Michaels used the piledriver as a finisher. It was after Shawn had used the Teardrop Suplex as his finisher and before it would be the Sweet Chin Music (which he had used for years as a signature move). Didn't he call the piledriver "The Showstopper"? I remembered some episodes of WWF Superstars when I was in 3rd grade where after a match he would celebrate near the original titantron. Then he would wait till they would show the replay of the piledriver to the crowd and gloat.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Apr 24, 2014 12:58:21 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose does the greatest Dusty impression of'em all. Granted, I may be biased, seeing as he did a riff on the exact scene where Dusty explains to Tugboat what being the Shockmaster entails. www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ-B09BVcTE
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Post by ibdude on Apr 24, 2014 17:01:08 GMT -5
It seemed like JR was very reluctant to call the women's matches in the Attitude Era lol. A lot of the stuff he was saying didn't seem natural at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 19:07:17 GMT -5
You have my attention. Please elaborate. No problem. Not all are big but there are some things that were overblown. 1.They mention Dustin Rhodes as being a guy not ready for a push similar to Erik Watts. Between 1992 and 1994 Rhodes was arguably the 2nd most over singles face behind Sting. I wholeheartedly agree with this one. Dustin could have had a very credible championship run as "The Natural" as late as when The Hulkster showed up. People forget just how over Dustin was at this point because of the way his run ended. And yes, in retrospect, getting fired for blading in one of the gimmickiest matches of all time against Barry Darsow put a black mark on that run, but few people remember that Blacktop Bully was built up big time for weeks and immediately inserted into Col. Parker's stable, which had been a top heel force for quite a while by then. That was an upper midcard feud. It's crazy to think how differently Dustin's career could have turned out if he didn't decide the King of the Road match was worth breaking company policy over....a lot of people mark Goldust as the birth of the Attitude Era. Would somebody else have portrayed him? Would Dustin be the consensus legend that he is today?
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 24, 2014 19:25:59 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose does the greatest Dusty impression of'em all. Granted, I may be biased, seeing as he did a riff on the exact scene where Dusty explains to Tugboat what being the Shockmaster entails. www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ-B09BVcTEIt's very good, because he actually captures Dusty's casual speaking voice, which is harder to do than when he is over the top. Goldust's impression of him is also very good, but is mostly riffing on the flamboyant Dusty, versus more subdued.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Apr 25, 2014 0:54:51 GMT -5
Chyna from Royal Rumble 1999 to SummerSlam 2000 when her head was on straight, a team player, and looked very good at times: I thought she was a terrific on-screen character.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 25, 2014 1:21:50 GMT -5
Chyna from Royal Rumble 1999 to SummerSlam 2000 when her head was on straight, a team player, and looked very good at times: I thought she was a terrific on-screen character. It is sometimes very obvious just how protected she could be by the company and her coworkers, hiding her weaknesses, but she was interesting when she was clicking.
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