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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 5:31:25 GMT -5
I mostly agree with what you are saying, but I was more comparing the Hogan of '94 to the Cena of now (particularly Hogan c. Halloween Havoc 1994, which I had just watched when I made my original post). Hogan DID NOT TURN in 1994 though... He turned in 1996. A lot could and did change in 2 years. [/discussion]
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Post by Talent Name on Apr 27, 2014 13:15:24 GMT -5
I liked that Kaientai at Summerslam 1998 wrestled in street gear
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 21:23:10 GMT -5
I mostly agree with what you are saying, but I was more comparing the Hogan of '94 to the Cena of now (particularly Hogan c. Halloween Havoc 1994, which I had just watched when I made my original post). Hogan DID NOT TURN in 1994 though... He turned in 1996. A lot could and did change in 2 years. [/discussion] Not quite sure why that devolved into such an argument, but my point is that 1994 Hogan is largely analogous to 2014 Cena. Therefore, 2016 Cena may well be analogous to 1996 Hogan if he continues on doing the exact same schtick. So, turning Cena a little earlier than Hogan turned may not be such a bad idea, and certainly not a harmful one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 21:39:03 GMT -5
Hogan DID NOT TURN in 1994 though... He turned in 1996. A lot could and did change in 2 years. [/discussion] Not quite sure why that devolved into such an argument, but my point is that 1994 Hogan is largely analogous to 2014 Cena. Therefore, 2016 Cena may well be analogous to 1996 Hogan if he continues on doing the exact same schtick. So, turning Cena a little earlier than Hogan turned may not be such a bad idea, and certainly not a harmful one. That's my exact point. This devolved into an argument due to you not taking into account anything I've said and stubbornly sticking to your same thought. Suggesting WWE turn Cena in a couple of years if his stock has dropped with the young/female/casual crowd and he loses his muscular frame and starts absolutely sucking in the ring due to old age is totally different than suggesting WWE turn Cena now like you're saying. As much as a large portion of the older male demo hates Cena there's still tons of life in his love from every other demographic. Like I said I feel that it would end up like Stone Cold's turn because of that. I've listed heaps of reasons why turning Cena at the moment would be unnecessary and insane and would cost WWE a huge amount of cash and goodwill, but you are ignoring those common sense reasons because you have your vision. You're being the smark fanboy equivalent of Vince Russo... and THAT is how arguments start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 21:43:11 GMT -5
Sorry about your thread Marty.
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Post by Error on Apr 27, 2014 21:44:18 GMT -5
Not quite sure why that devolved into such an argument, but my point is that 1994 Hogan is largely analogous to 2014 Cena. Therefore, 2016 Cena may well be analogous to 1996 Hogan if he continues on doing the exact same schtick. So, turning Cena a little earlier than Hogan turned may not be such a bad idea, and certainly not a harmful one. That's my exact point. This devolved into an argument due to you not taking into account anything I've said and stubbornly sticking to your same thought. Suggesting WWE turn Cena in a couple of years if his stock has dropped with the young/female/casual crowd and he loses his muscular frame and starts absolutely sucking in the ring due to old age is totally different than suggesting WWE turn Cena now like you're saying. As much as a large portion of the older male demo hates Cena there's still tons of life in his love from every other demographic. Like I said I feel that it would end up like Stone Cold's turn because of that. I've listed heaps of reasons why turning Cena at the moment would be unnecessary and insane and would cost WWE a huge amount of cash and goodwill, but you are ignoring those common sense reasons because you have your vision. You're being the smark fanboy equivalent of Vince Russo... and THAT is how arguments start. Drop the attitude. There is no reason to be attacking people because you don't agree with their positions.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 27, 2014 22:14:42 GMT -5
Harvey Whippleman and Howard Finkel had a very long feud before the blow-off in the "Tuxedo Match"
Taker won the first ever "Coffin Match" in the WWF by pinning Kamala...then he rolled him in the casket...then nailed him in....then was declared the winner...weird..
They talk about Sgt. Slaughter being apart of Tunney's staff. I wonder if the idea of Commissioner Slaughter was supposed to come about around this time originally but Sarge left and we got it instead in 1997.
Bret/Shawn gets little hype at SS 92. It really was the 3rd most important match on that show. Little did they know the implications of this match 5 years later...
Earl Hebner is the ref here as well for Bret/Shawn. Funny how 4/5 of the people at ringside would play a significant role in the turning point of the company (Vince is PBP)
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Post by amaron on Apr 27, 2014 22:42:01 GMT -5
WWF in 1993 was miles ahead of WCW 1993, especially in the PPV department (IMO).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 22:42:24 GMT -5
Drop the attitude. There is no reason to be attacking people because you don't agree with their positions. I didn't mean to come off as having an attitude or to attack anyone. I was just trying to change his position (perhaps stupidly) and got overexcited. Apologies.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Apr 28, 2014 10:05:27 GMT -5
Having watched Rock vs HHH at Summerslam '98, which is a good old match, but there was something in the course of the match that caught my attention and it adds somewhat to the Cena/Rock feud. This was, of course, the end of Rock's heel run, 'til around November where it was all a swerve, but during the proceedings of the match, there's an audible and repeated 'Let's go Rocky/Rocky sucks' that mirrors Cena's average week, but is its antithesis by its invocation to turn Rock face, as opposed to Cena where it's, most often, call for its opposite. Just one of those cool fiddly bits
Also, in terms of the rest of the card. X-Pac vs Jarrett serves as counterpoint to the assertion that wrestling was not a priority during the Attitude era. In the main-event, perhaps, but they have a real good hair/hair match and it's odd now, having lived through early 00s, witnessing X-Pac being greeted rapturously by the audience.
D'Lo Brown vs Val Venis is one of the oddest matches ever. It's littered with mistakes, the finish is inconsistent and D'Lo, on two occasions, either does not go for a cover after a finisher, or just drops a hold for no discernible reason.
Also got into No Way Out of Texas (98) a little bit. That shot of Austin catching Billy Gunn with the trashcan volley, from the other side of the ring, is worth replaying for all time.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Apr 28, 2014 23:16:09 GMT -5
Virgil did some wrestling on live events in 1988. At an MSG show in fall of 1988, he was billed as "making his fall residence in Bel Air, California."
At the same house show (this is an episode of Old School from April 1988), I was greatly entertained by a promo by the Fabulous Rougeaus. I previously mentioned how funny and natural Jacques Rougeau was on commentary on a 1993 Raw. I could see this from both Rougeaus on this episode of Old School. It's too bad Jacques didn't get more chances to shine on the microphone. I don't think the Mountie or Quebecer characters were the best ones to utilize his speaking skills and personality.
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Post by amaron on Apr 29, 2014 18:21:07 GMT -5
Raw #4 - Lex Luger vs Jason Knight
ECW fans will recognize that name.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 29, 2014 19:48:13 GMT -5
Raw #4 - Lex Luger vs Jason Knight ECW fans will recognize that name. Actually you'll see a couple of future ECW guys working as jobbers on those early RAW's. Justin Credible works a few pre-Aldo Montoya matches and Tony DeVito shows up as well. I'm sure there are others but I can't think of any right now.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Apr 29, 2014 19:53:52 GMT -5
Raw #4 - Lex Luger vs Jason Knight ECW fans will recognize that name. Actually you'll see a couple of future ECW guys working as jobbers on those early RAW's. Justin Credible works a few pre-Aldo Montoya matches and Tony DeVito shows up as well. I'm sure there are others but I can't think of any right now. Many of the early Raw jobbers went on to bigger fame. As mentioned, there was Jason Knight, Tony DeVito, and PJ Walker (Aldo Montoya/Justin Credible). There was also Von Krus (Skull Von Krush/Vito from ECW, WCW, and WWE), Scott Taylor (Scotty Too Hotty), Glen Ruth (Thrasher), and Duane Gill/Executioner (Gillberg).
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 30, 2014 1:08:53 GMT -5
The Rockers were a better tag team than the Steiners or Harlem Heat. Pffft
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Post by keezy on Apr 30, 2014 3:34:24 GMT -5
The figure four leg lock was the default submission move in the 80s and 90s.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 30, 2014 3:43:03 GMT -5
The figure four leg lock was the default submission move in the 80s and 90s. Pretty much, only falling in popularity with the uprising of the Reverse DDT, and to a lesser extent, regular DDT with Arn and a few others adopting Jake's finish.
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Post by Dragonfly on Apr 30, 2014 10:42:59 GMT -5
Paul London made an appearance at WCW Greed as a fan who gets his sign stolen, and then is assaulted, by Scott Steiner.
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Post by 67 more on Apr 30, 2014 18:33:30 GMT -5
Scott Armstrong is just as annoying a ref in WCW.
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Post by Shark on Apr 30, 2014 22:11:28 GMT -5
A-Train had his nipples pierced in 2003. Started watching his match with Undertaker from Summerslam 2003 and skipped the match as soon as I realized it. Came close to gouging out my eyes with a spoon!
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