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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 19:16:15 GMT -5
That "Thank you Taker" one man chant has to be the most pathetic thing ever. A man is walking by, beaten down and injured and you go and scream at him with that awkward halfhearted "chant". The person yelling probably didn't have to worry about getting laid afterwards, he could sleep without distractions.
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Post by Start9 on Apr 7, 2014 19:47:55 GMT -5
Well, since i still am bewildered for what i've just saw, i'll give a little bit of my personal Wrestling history in this post.
I've been watching Wrestling for 8-9 years, started between WM 21 and WM 22. Since the beginning, Michaels and the Undertaker were my favourites (Hbk mainly thanks to the McMahon-HBK feud) and Undertaker thanks to his badass aura he carries.
Then, in the next year he had his big powerhouse match with Batista and next year with Edge, and since then, the 'Taker Streak matches were one of the things that I looked forward into every single Wrestlemania, with his match at WM 25 probably being one of my favourite matches of all time. Regardless of my high expectations into his matches, to me the Streak matches always delivered in spades.
After the classics with Michaels and HHH, Edge and Punk, it was obvious that even he was becoming older, the Streak wasn't going anywhere until the final match at 25-0.
And yet, in a poetic twist, the match that should be more easy to predict, showed us the inevitable; during the match itself that Undertaker was a shell of his former self, a broken man that couldn't do what he has done before, and even if the match itself was "uneventful" apart of the last seconds and the proper aftermath, at the same time while I was watching for the first time, I've felt pity. Pity because one of my wrestling icons a few minutes into his match, the Undertaker that I was looking forward every year, the Phenom that stealed the show every WM in my books, could barely move and was evident that he just couldn't go anymore and that was sad to see.(even if he had 2-3 WM matches to go before his retirement, after his win with Lesnar, to go for the full 25-0). Yet, you could tell that was something wrong. Yes, he could barely stand up but it was obvious that he wasn't going to lose... and yet...
And THAT happened.
As I write this, I still feel a little numb about the result of the match and somewhat think that this is just a dream, I mean, it's obvious that his streak won't be over at Wm 30, is it? I mean, I've just ended the PPV a few hours ago without being spoiled of anything and still can't believe the title of this thread.
However, even if it was by his physical fraility/incapability to go anymore or was his way to "sell" his final match, it was somewhat fitting that the Streak ends bw showing that the Deadman is only mortal and that his time was inevitable, just like the eerie feeling that somewhat surrounded the entire match, until the definitive count. If it was the right decision or not, it's a discussion for another time.
Now, i just want to end this broken mess of a post by saying, that today was indeed , in my fanhood, an end of an Era and i'll finish saying
Long Live the Undertaker!!!
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Apr 7, 2014 20:06:17 GMT -5
That "Thank you Taker" one man chant has to be the most pathetic thing ever. A man is walking by, beaten down and injured and you go and scream at him with that awkward halfhearted "chant". The person yelling probably didn't have to worry about getting laid afterwards, he could sleep without distractions. I doubt he ever needs to be too worried about that.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Apr 7, 2014 20:36:55 GMT -5
I was like WTF!!!!! and was like okay Hogans gonna come out and restart the match then I remembered Lesnar didn't cheat. Then his music didn't play and I was like....... okay what next........
Rewatched it again after work today and WOW the crowd just died.
Cant believe some schmuck was yelling you suck to Taker. (sigh)
The silence after he lost and them playing his music while he walked off immediately reminded me of WM 19 with Austin after he lost and I was like yeah he's done.
Hopefully I'm wrong
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Post by modestgenius on Apr 7, 2014 22:33:08 GMT -5
My one complaint about RAW was that we didn't even get the slightest hint about what was happening moving forwards.
They didn't tease that Undertaker was done, they didn't tease that he would be back, they didn't tease that he'd be gone forever.
It was just streak = lost.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 7, 2014 22:33:37 GMT -5
So for those that are interested, John Stewart weighed in on this during the closing moments of tonight's Daily Show.
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Post by mattperiolat on Apr 7, 2014 22:51:33 GMT -5
My one complaint about RAW was that we didn't even get the slightest hint about what was happening moving forwards. They didn't tease that Undertaker was done, they didn't tease that he would be back, they didn't tease that he'd be gone forever. It was just streak = lost. Yep, I'm bitter about it too. Two reasons why. Yes, I know, he's in bad shape from last night. I just wish he could have come out like Flair and Shawn did in a post Mania Raw setting and said goodbye. I hate not having that closure tonight. In addition to not having that closure, it also plants a seed that he might be back. Honestly, I don't want Taker to come back. He has nothing left to prove, nothing left to give. I want him to go home to Texas, hug his wife and kids and enjoy the fruits of his labors. God knows he's earned it after close to a quarter century.
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Post by thegame415 on Apr 7, 2014 22:59:54 GMT -5
My one complaint about RAW was that we didn't even get the slightest hint about what was happening moving forwards. They didn't tease that Undertaker was done, they didn't tease that he would be back, they didn't tease that he'd be gone forever. It was just streak = lost. That's so you continue to have curiosity. If they said 'Takers done, it would take away mystery. Personally, I think he has one final match at next years show.
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Post by Error on Apr 7, 2014 23:02:10 GMT -5
And @midnight leads with the Streak ending freak out!
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Post by CH Punk on Apr 7, 2014 23:04:51 GMT -5
My one complaint about RAW was that we didn't even get the slightest hint about what was happening moving forwards. They didn't tease that Undertaker was done, they didn't tease that he would be back, they didn't tease that he'd be gone forever. It was just streak = lost. I think they could have easily done a segment tonight (setup the Sting feud as was rumoured to happen), but, with the state he's in right now, it was the right call to make to send him home, let him rest up and bring him back later to set it up.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 7, 2014 23:08:49 GMT -5
My one complaint about RAW was that we didn't even get the slightest hint about what was happening moving forwards. They didn't tease that Undertaker was done, they didn't tease that he would be back, they didn't tease that he'd be gone forever. It was just streak = lost. I think they could have easily done a segment tonight (setup the Sting feud as was rumoured to happen), but, with the state he's in right now, it was the right call to make to send him home, let him rest up and bring him back later to set it up. Pretty much. With everything that happened tonight, this is a thing that should be handled another night, when he is up for it.
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Post by paulbearer on Apr 7, 2014 23:14:24 GMT -5
"In a way, I think Mark feels his increasing immobility is a slap in the face to the gimmick, so he ignores it and ignores it, but eventually... you just can't ignore it any longer"
Taker '14 is like Elvis '76/77 , just a shell of what he once was.....the cold hard truth.
It prolly was the right idea to end it now and Lesnar was WM worthy imo.
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Post by Jiren on Apr 7, 2014 23:47:35 GMT -5
I just finished watching the match, I'll admit I already know the result and I still had Tears in my eyes.
So far a GREAT Mania
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Post by Deadman Inc on Apr 8, 2014 1:58:25 GMT -5
I had the day off to reflect and read some of the thoughts here. I have to say, I am still not happy. It felt like another one of my childhood heroes was going away. And while that was always inevitable, it was always the question of how he would go out. This match just felt all kinds of wrong. It was kinda ugly and boring, and reflecting back I almost feel bad about being so bored and critical of it as I was watching with my friends, due to the result. But it is what it was. It felt like Taker had gone to the well too many times, and I agree that it probably should have ended with one of the previous challengers that he tore the house down with. Honestly, the most logical stopping point felt like after the End of an Era match. It was booked to be an end. It was an epic match, and it had the perfect ending to walk away from. It couldn't be topped. But even after that, the CM Punk match was awesome too. This year....not so much.
Whether it was due to injury before or during the match, or just the effect of time and age, it wasn't pretty. I do find what some of you are saying here about Brock being able to carry the burden of beating the streak because he doesn't have to live up to it the way a less established person would somewhat interesting. But it doesn't really soften the blow for me. We all kinda believed that it wouldn't even be broken, and that when it was time for him to go, he would just go with it intact.
There were some signs before the match even. I pointed out to my wife that before the bell rang, Brock almost looked sad looking at Taker. Thinking back on it now, maybe there was more to it. His outfit change too. He dropped the Sith robes and went back to a throwback to his hat and duster look, almost like he was coming back full circle. And I thought it was kinda odd that he was sporting a two color look on his coat and hat again after so many years of solid black. But that too was a throwback to the beginning.
I am really happy for all the many years Taker has given us as fans, but I really hope this isn't the way he goes out. He deserves better.
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Post by Bad Moon on Apr 8, 2014 4:21:09 GMT -5
I'm gonna say one positive thing about it: It helped to build tension for the main event.
Face win after Face win after Face win, the crowd needed something powerful and shocking, something that made them angry and got some heat for the main event. Something that made them believe anything could still happen. I mean f***, the Undertaker lost. You can't get any more through the looking glass than that.
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Post by Chip on Apr 8, 2014 5:29:12 GMT -5
I just finished watching the match, I'll admit I already know the result and I still had Tears in my eyes. I can imagine that match being a lot harder to watch knowing the result. Taker just get's torn apart and it wasn't pretty.
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Post by celtics543 on Apr 8, 2014 5:39:35 GMT -5
My one complaint about RAW was that we didn't even get the slightest hint about what was happening moving forwards. They didn't tease that Undertaker was done, they didn't tease that he would be back, they didn't tease that he'd be gone forever. It was just streak = lost. I think they could have easily done a segment tonight (setup the Sting feud as was rumoured to happen), but, with the state he's in right now, it was the right call to make to send him home, let him rest up and bring him back later to set it up. I'd also guess that due to what they said was a severe concussion that all the lights and things would have been terrible for him. Remember when Bret got the concussion that finally knocked him out of wrestling, he wasn't supposed to do anything for weeks, including television and reading. Sending Undertaker out there would have been some serious sensory overload for his severely concussed brain.
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Post by Johnny D on Apr 8, 2014 6:32:30 GMT -5
"In a way, I think Mark feels his increasing immobility is a slap in the face to the gimmick, so he ignores it and ignores it, but eventually... you just can't ignore it any longer" Taker '14 is like Elvis '76/77 , just a shell of what he once was.....the cold hard truth. It prolly was the right idea to end it now and Lesnar was WM worthy imo. I really, really hate to agree with you there, but yes you are right. Taker wasn't executing his usual moves right at all and I don't think he even knew where he was after the match. It was heartbreaking. I just hope he can go out on a much higher note now, whether it's with the Stinger or someone else. I'd hate to know that really was the end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 7:29:13 GMT -5
As someone who was there live, the "thank you Taker" chants were very noticeable in the arena. I expected to read about it. I'm surprised that only one guy was audible.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Apr 8, 2014 7:42:18 GMT -5
Even before it ended, watching that match was hard. Seeing the Undertaker barely able stand after a few minutes was bad enough. But watching him botch the Tombstone (in such a way that made it clear that HE knew he couldn't do it right, and chose to err on the side of caution), and fail to lift Lesnar for the Last Ride...that was my "Scott Hall stumbling through the curtain moment". It's where I thought, "Taker, you've entertained us for more than twenty years. If this is the price *you're* paying for it, please just stop".
Much has been made about the reactions from fans shocked into disbelief at the outcome of that match. Plenty of people even claim to have gotten "misty eyed" afterwards. But for me, it was the match itself that brought a tear to my eye. Watching one of my all time favorites reduced to that. I was stunned by the outcome, but I had to smile once it sank in. The Streak is over. He doesn't *have* to keep going anymore. And if he does, it won't be under the weight of a pressure that I, and most others, couldn't possibly understand.
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