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Post by 67 more on Jun 22, 2014 18:42:43 GMT -5
- I don't understand the title situation at the time. Rick Rude is wearing the Big Gold, but the main event was for the "Professional Wrestling Heavyweight Championship" represented with a belt I don't recognize. In 1991, Ric Flair was recognised as both WCW and NWA Champion (both titles were represented by the Big Gold Belt). However, Flair left in 1991 to join WWE so was stripped of both titles. WCW would not wait for the gold belt to return and crowned the WCW Champion with the belt you saw Vader wear. The NWA would crown a new champion in 1992 in New Japan, reprsented by the gold belt. By 1993, both the WCW and NWA titles were active in WCW and WCW bought the rights to the BGB. However, WCW would put the NWA title on Rick Rude without the NWA's permission, causing the NWA to end WCW's membership to the NWA. Rude now had a belt without a name. They tiptoed around calling it the Big Gold Belt and the World title before eventually settling on calling it the WCW International World title. Vader's belt would be referred to as the WCW Heavyweight title. By 1994, they unified the WCW and International titles and the Big Gold belt would represent the Undisputed WCW title.
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Post by cjh on Jun 22, 2014 19:27:30 GMT -5
- I don't understand the title situation at the time. Rick Rude is wearing the Big Gold, but the main event was for the "Professional Wrestling Heavyweight Championship" represented with a belt I don't recognize. In 1991, Ric Flair was recognised as both WCW and NWA Champion (both titles were represented by the Big Gold Belt). However, Flair left in 1991 to join WWE so was stripped of both titles. WCW would not wait for the gold belt to return and crowned the WCW Champion with the belt you saw Vader wear. The NWA would crown a new champion in 1992 in New Japan, reprsented by the gold belt. By 1993, both the WCW and NWA titles were active in WCW and WCW bought the rights to the BGB. However, WCW would put the NWA title on Rick Rude without the NWA's permission, causing the NWA to end WCW's membership to the NWA. Rude now had a belt without a name. They tiptoed around calling it the Big Gold Belt and the World title before eventually settling on calling it the WCW International World title. Vader's belt would be referred to as the WCW Heavyweight title. While the NWA championship was represented by the big gold belt, it was always owned by WCW, not the NWA. The NWA's belt was retired in 1986 when Jim Crockett Promotions was pretty much in full control of the title. At Crockett's expense, he commissioned the big gold belt to made, with Flair keeping the old one. I believe Triple H is in possession of the NWA's belt today while the BGB is currently owned by a collector.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 22, 2014 22:25:16 GMT -5
WCW's title scene was an utter mess from 1992-94 due to all of those shenanigans. The NWA/International belt never really main evented, yet when you had Flair and Rude feuding for it the title seemed like it had to mean, I dunno, something. When it was Japanese guys having snoozers like Chono and Muta were having, along with midcard stuff like Windham vs. Arn, it was easy to view the title as B grade.
We can at least thank Hogan for them finally unifying it. No way was he going to be 1 of 2 heavyweight champions in a promotion. The irony is that they could have probably done a massive buyrate for Hogan/Flair if they had held off and done the unification at Starrcade. It blows the mind that WCW basically did the title unification on a Clash rather than actually draw a PPV buyrate with it. It would be like WWE doing the title unification last year on Raw.
It's a shame Rude retired due to injury in 1994 since I would have kept the International belt on him, had Flair/Sting be for the WCW title, and Hogan could beat Rude in his first feud. Hogan/Rude was a totally fresh match up since I can't recall a single WWF encounter. Or if Rude retired put that belt on Vader and have him be Hogan's first WCW feud. But keep Flair and Hogan apart until Starrcade 94 and then unify and draw a mega buyrate.
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Post by 67 more on Jun 27, 2014 13:49:22 GMT -5
Thread updated for GAB '07!
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Post by percymania on Jun 29, 2014 13:26:39 GMT -5
OK, I just turned on GAB07. I didn't look at the card beforehand. They've advertised Khali vs. Batista vs. Kane for the WHC and Cena vs. Lashley for the WWE Title. I'm sure this will be thrilling *rolls eyes*
Matt Hardy is coming out for his opening match against MVP. Am I watching TNA 2014?
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Post by percymania on Jun 29, 2014 14:03:13 GMT -5
Oh God Hornswaggle won the Cruiserweight Championship. Thanks for making me re-live that.
Next up: Carlito vs. Sandman in a Singapore Cane on a Pole match!
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Post by percymania on Jun 29, 2014 15:00:07 GMT -5
Punk/Morrison was good, but I didn't like the kick-to-the-knee finish.
Dusty Rhodes vs. Randy Orton in a Texas Bullrope Match is starting now. I remember this one being pretty good.
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Post by percymania on Jun 29, 2014 16:11:40 GMT -5
I couldn't take the Khali match. I took my dogs outside a couple minutes into it. I came back to find King Booker and Jerry Lawler doing a segment that belonged on RAW. The main event was pretty good. Cena and Lashley had a heck of a match. It kind of disappoints me that's the closest Lashley ever got to the WWE Title.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 1, 2014 21:55:34 GMT -5
I'm not even going to bother watching Great American Bash 2007
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Post by 67 more on Jul 2, 2014 3:53:24 GMT -5
Where I've got to so far:
MVP vs Matt Hardy was OK but very sloppy in places. I think Matt was legit loopy from the botched Yakuza kick, leading up to the botched Playmaker.
CW Open was meh overall but did have Jamie Noble being awesome which helps. Hornswoggle winning was and still is hilarious.
Sandman vs Carlito. What more needs to be said? Why have a Singapore cane match if you're not going to use the damn thing?
The Candywrapper sucks ass. That is all.
Umaga vs Jeff was a great match with Umaga still looking like a true beast of a man. Just a shame that the HHH feud would come not long after.
Morrison vs Punk was very underwhelming and completely heatless. This is when the ECW title started its plummet and it shows.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 5, 2014 1:47:31 GMT -5
The vote ended in a tie, so we'll do COTC this week, WW3 next week.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 5, 2014 17:45:31 GMT -5
By coincidence I just watched this Clash today. For whatever reason an advertised Z-Man vs. Diamond Studd match was not on the Network version, but it's not like it was probably anything special.
Rhodes/Steamboat vs. The Enforcers is not quite as good as its reputation as a ***** match. It's pretty much a standard tag match really and after it was over I thought "Okay, I saw Steamboat basically wrestle 2 men." It's a fun match, but aside from the Steamboat surprise element nobody would probably remember it.
Okay, the whole Sting angle that took place seemed way ahead of its time with the whole "commandeer the ambulance" bit. That seemed like a late 90s angle instead of 1991. Sting was such an epic white meat babyface on this show. The meat can't get any whiter. I found myself wishing Heyman would do the old cell phone attack spot now, except with a modern small cell that no one would sell. That said, between the US title and World title main event everyone in Savannah went home ultra pissed off that night, which is typical of WCW.
The irony of this show is that it was the lead in to Starrcade 1991 and it leaves you wanting Sting to get uber revenge on either Luger or Rude...and that entire show was the Lethal Lottery. I'm baffled as to why WCW had their biggest PPV of the year feature a bunch of randomly drawn tag matches and no actual announced card. Starrcade 1991 actually still did a 1.0, but it so didn't work the next year when the same concept did a 0.5 (and that show at least had Vader/Sting and a tag title match as well).
But hey, this Clash was a good free TV show. I'm going to watch more of them, since I always adored the Clash shows.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 6, 2014 9:17:32 GMT -5
Big Josh vs Tommy Rich...... meh. Weird seeing him wrestle without the Doink get-up. Eaton vs Chip was OK. Zenk vs Hall was non-existent, as in cut from the Network. SORTA UNCUT, KINDA UNCENSORED. Cactus vs Hammer was nothing special, despite Foley's bumps. Tag title match was very good, with Steamboat and Arn working their arses off. Pillman vs Badd was dull. How the f*** was Badd a light heavyweight? US title match was fun. Classic heel shenanigans retain the world title. Mr Hughes nearly died off that frankensteiner and knowing the state of Race's back and insides at this point, that suplex must've been hell.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 6, 2014 9:55:23 GMT -5
To show you how times have changed, Badd was in fact considered a cruiser in 1991-92 since the weight limit for the light heavy division was 235 or so. I'm thinking to myself even in the roided up era back then a guy 235 was a legit heavyweight. Good grief, guys like Flair and Savage were more or less in that realm. Bret Hart was about that weight.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 7, 2014 0:08:19 GMT -5
Watched the show and it was okay. US Title and Tag Title matches were really good. Most of the matches were just there.
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Post by percymania on Jul 8, 2014 23:24:46 GMT -5
I want to talk about Van Hammer for a second. I had no idea WCW was pushing his "rock star" gimmick like that back then. It just dawned on me his name is a ripoff of Van Halen. It all makes sense to me now.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 9, 2014 0:10:07 GMT -5
I want to talk about Van Hammer for a second. I had no idea WCW was pushing his "rock star" gimmick like that back then. It just dawned on me his name is a ripoff of Van Halen. It all makes sense to me now. He was the absolute shits and won Most Embarrasing Wrestler that year. I can't believe that Ryan Howe actually tried to rip off this turd of a gimmick on TNA/
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 9, 2014 9:07:54 GMT -5
I actually think it might be more of a rip off of Miami Vice theme artist Jan Hammer mixed with a bit of Van Halen as well. It also didn't help that he couldn't play guitar a lick, which Foley mentioned in his book when discussing his feud with Hammer. The irony is that WCW did have a legit guitarist in Max Payne a couple of years later.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 11, 2014 13:39:52 GMT -5
Our second winner, World War 3 95, is now up for discussion.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 11, 2014 18:09:53 GMT -5
Hogan burns both the dark side and the dirtsheets, brother! The Hulkster knows the internet has the real scoops. The f*** was that?
Having 3 rings looks stupid.
DDP vs Badd for the TV title was a fun opener with Badd flying around the ring. DDP uses a Gary Glitter ripoff, which is a bit jarring from his Nirvana ripoff. Badd nearly blows his knee out with his hilo.
My mouth is wide open at WCW slagging off the WWF's steroid scandal. I hope they're not suggesting that none of their athletes were on it.
Big Bubba Rogers vs Jim Duggan in a taped fist match. Am I watching 1990 WWF? Really like the spot where Bubba's head gets caught between the posts. Bubba wrecks his back being backdropped over the top. Mike Rotunda distraction allows Bubba to use a chain for the KO win. That match was shite. Like Bubba yelling at Heenan repeatedly "Tell 'em how great I am!"
f***ing Compuserve! I want to install Windows 95 now.
Joshi tag match. Cutie Suzuki & Miyumi Ozaki are very beautiful women. Bull Nakano & Akira Hokuto should be a great team, I'm looking forward to this one. The multiple double stomps look devastating and the stereo hurricanrans look great. Ozaki is dumped on her head with a dangerous German suplex which is so careless. Hokuto is awesome with a great hilo to the floor. Doomsday Device dumps Ozaki on her head again. Stiff as f*** diving legdrop from Nakano ends it as Ozaki lies dead on the floor.
Kensuke Sasaki vs Missingno for the US title. What is it with the Japanese wrestlers' themes absolutely sucking? Error drives himself headfirst into the barrier with a tope. Brief use of the Stranglehold Gamma before Vanellope gets to the ropes. Sheng Long gets beaten with the Northern Lights Bomb in a meh match.
Mean Gene remarks that Giant's father would be ashamed. So he's still Andre's son? Good. Why did Giant decide to give us a poem?
Savage tells us he's a million percent OK, which is better than 100%. Can't argue with that.
And now I'm going to bed.
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