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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 11, 2014 22:35:55 GMT -5
Hogan's dirt sheet bit made my jaw drop. He was of course correct though. The internet was the future and the dirt sheets themselves are a thing of the past. Oh and could that main event finish have made Savage look any weaker in terms of the way he won the title? It took an act of Congress to get the belt off Hogan to begin with and then a wacky screwjob where he couldn't be bothered to be tossed over the top rope? What's weird is that this led to nothing that I can recall, since Hogan took some time off and Flair feuded with Savage.
Incidentally, WCW put together some questionable cards for Starrcade during Hogan's first two years. In 1994 they blew off the Flair feud at HH and had Butcher/Hogan at Starrcade...which sucked. That whole show sucked actually. 1995 was a solid show but I can't for the life of me figure why anyone would care about some Best of 7 series with guys from New Japan. Neither show did much of a buyrate.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 11, 2014 23:00:51 GMT -5
I knew the World War 3 main event was a clusterf*** as it can logically be. But Jesus Christ....it seems that basically that you have to watch consider this Battle Royal like a freaking radio broadcast because three screens are too small and you get different commentation teams for each ring.
This is such a freaking mess, I hope I never see another 60 man battle royal ever again.
Oh yeah, and that ending was total BS!!! I mean seriously, that screw job was something that could so easily be fixed. Hell, get the kayfabe head to come in and show the ref the replay and make Savage and Hogan wrestle. What the f***ing hell, man. Probably one of the worst battle royals of all time.
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 11, 2014 23:38:46 GMT -5
I find it odd that both WWF and WCW had Japanese women wrestlers on their ppvs, in the same year, in the same month. Not that im complaining of course, as both of their matches were excellent.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jul 11, 2014 23:47:39 GMT -5
World War 3 '95 (kinda weird that the PPV ran from '95-98 and was called "World War 3" every single year) had some of my favorite Bobby Heenan commentary of his WCW run. During the Kensuke Sasake vs Chris Benoit match for the U.S. Title, Sonny Onoo is mentioning how since his deal for the last half of WCW Pro fell through (which he acquired through Bobby Heenan, even though The Brain had no right to deal away the air time) there was a deal put in place for Starrcade (the WCW-New Japan best of seven World Cup of Wrestling challenge). During this Heenan tries to appease Onoo now that he knows that he left himself open to a lawsuit (not that Onoo is by any means the litigious type). There's so much back peddling and stammering by Heenan, it's great. Then, right before the battle royal for the vacant world title Heenan and schiavone are on camera at their announce position and Heenan holds up the big gold belt and says how the winner of the battle royal/new WCW World Champion would become "the biggest star in sports" and "an instant millionaire". As great as Heenan was comedically, he was just as good at putting over a particular angle.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 12, 2014 2:24:04 GMT -5
On Luger vs Savage. I love Luger's Slammer theme. Damn it, Luger, the ropes are right in front of you in that crab, grab them. Luger wrecks Savage with the rack on the outside and then applies a very basic armbar to pass out Savage in-ring. Why not just apply the rack in the ring? I know Savage has an injured arm but I'm talking just from a psychology standpoint.
Sting vs Flair. I love how Sting was initially smart to Flair but then the old Sting instinct shines through. I'm surprised Sting hasn't been turned on by Tony Schiavone. The pre-match sketches of the wrestlers look like ass, by the way. Flair, don't low blow him in front of the ref! It just makes everyone look stupid! Flair's playing the chickenshit heel like a boss. Sting wins via scorpion deathlock. Good match.
Mean Gene splooges himself over THE PYTHONS! Why is Hogan's greatest insult against Giant his body odour?
Why is the YET-AY now a ninja?
I HATE HATE HATE battle royals (at least the Rumble has the intrigue of who's going to come out next). To me, nothing is more dull. Having 3 tiny screens doesn't help. The fact this PPV has another half hour isn't helping my apprehension.
Zbyszko gives us the gem that there is no way Savage is a million per cent. By definition he can not be a million percent! What is it with Americans and percentages?
I'm sorry, I can't finish this. I know how it ends. I hate battle royals at the best of time. I'm done for this one.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 18, 2014 17:11:37 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 94 won the poll, so let's get to it!
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Post by 67 more on Jul 19, 2014 4:18:03 GMT -5
Loving the opening video. Why do the announcer's nameplates have mutant potatoes next to them?
As a non-American, I love it when they sing the national anthem. Such riveting watching. Oh cool, Muhammad Ali!
WCW TV TITLE - Honky Tonk Man vs Johnny B Badd (c)
Honky Tonk's shameless ripoff theme is amazing, managing to rip off two songs at once. Elvis vs Vampire Little Richard. Oh look, Sting is backstage with Tenay. "So in 17 years I'm going to trap Eric Bischoff in his office with a bird, have a 90-second main event with a methhead and knock myself out with my own reverse DDT. And you were there..." WTF is a double hitch-hike? HTM with the worst foot-on-the-rope pin I've ever seen. Seeing HTM in WCW is so out of place. Great time to be a Hogan mate. Love Heenan screaming "COVER HIM!" as HTM is the biggest idiot in the world. Love that HTM tried to do a surprise attack with an atomic drop. Meh match but Heenan was fantastic.
Recap of Hogan being Nancy Kerrigan'd. I couldn't care less.
WCW TAG TITLE - Pretty Wonderful vs Stars n Stripes (c)
Oh goody, pre-Buff Bagwell. Do you mind if I just take a nap for 15 minutes? WTF was that top rope fistdrop? Impressive from Roma getting up to the top rope though. Roma turns mid-air for an elbow drop to ignore Bagwell's "counter" as the idiot is selling with his feet up in the air. Follows it up with an imagination dropkick. Schiavone calls a crossbody a flying headscissors. At least it wasn't a sidewalk slam. Bagwell hits a Cena-esque alleged fisherman's but Roma comes down on Bagwell with an elbow, allowing Orndorff to get the win. Pretty good finish and Pretty Wonderful are the new WCW Tag champs.
Great promo from Flair, of course. I want this Flair showing up on Raw.
BROTHER vs BROTHER - Kevin Sullivan vs Dave Sullivan
Why is Kevin HEYing down to the ring? Dave Sullivan's theme, complete with ripping off Owen Hart's Rocket theme and Hogan rapping. Bullshit countout finish to a shit match? Great.
Arn Anderson (w/ Col Parker & Meng) vs Dustin Rhodes
Apparently, Rhodes caught Sting-itis. That's a shame. Rhodes takes a sickening bump on his hip on the concrete going over the top rope. Anderson sells his back giving Dustin a rope-hung catapult. Just a shame that great selling is negated by Dustin not giving a f*** afterwards. Dustin uses a heelish counter by grabbing the ropes to avoid a DDT. Nice to see that WCW's faces aren't complete idiots. Arn with the most blatant rope-grab in history gets caught and Dustin turns it into a pinning victory. Dustin's left laying from a DDT, though. I'll point out that I'm watching a pre-Papa settlement version of this and Dustin's entrance was dubbed. His exit isn't, though.
Hogan does a Hogan promo. God, he looks so f***ing skinny compared to the bloated 1987 Hogan I'm used to. You can tell that Mr T is trustworthy because he's still training and eating vitamins.
WCW US TITLE - Steve Austin vs Jim Duggan (c)
Aside from Brutus main eventing Starrcade, this is probably the greatest example of a Hogan mate benefitting in WCW. Duggan beating Austin by a backdrop is inexcusable. Fans still love the HOOOOO. Heenan ragging on Duggan will never get old. Austin pisses away the US title by sending Duggan over the top rope. f*** this match.
God, Bossman looks like a slob.
Guardian Angel vs Vader
This is either gonna be awesome or it's gonna suck. Has Ali fallen asleep? Ah, he's woken back up now. Angel takes out Race. Race was a trooper as he was so physically f***ed at this time every bump must have felt like Hell. Harley looks like Johnny V. Angel dumps Vader on Race, much to everyone's delight. Bossman with the shittiest diving headbutt ever seen gets 2. Angel follows it up with the enzuigiri. Vader and Bossman collapse in a heap off a clothesline. Bossman kicks out of the Vaderbomb at 2. Vader goes back to the well but Angel sticks the knees up. Hefty spinebuster which Schiavone calls a sidewalk slam, of course. Bossman Slam but Race causes the distraction. Race gets suplexed in but Vader immediately splashes Bossman to get the 3. Shit match.
Out comes a very awkward Thomas Hearns. Hearns is proof that repeated punches to the head is not a good thing, noticably slurring his words.
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Post by 67 more on Jul 23, 2014 16:23:37 GMT -5
Now to continue watching the PPV...
The Nasty Boys vs Parky Park & The Funky Bunk (amazing tag name I just gave them even though Parker's just the manager)
f*** yeah Terry Funk! I understand why Sags has a pumpkin but why does Knobbs have Beavis & Butthead masks? Funk probably has the most slick tumble out the ring I've ever seen. On-the-ground stinkface. That's new. Piledriver on a pumpkin! E-C-DUB! Ref doesn't care why there's pumpkin pieces. While nothing special, was pretty fun.
I love that Bill Shaw forgets that Muhammad Ali was a boxer. Bischoff gets booed in his hometown, LOL. Ali looks less than thrilled to be there.
Love Schiavone's "this motherf***er" face as Heenan rants.
WCW TITLE CAGE RETIREMENT MATCH - Hulk Hogan (c) vs Ric Flair
Very loud anti-Hogan chants. Buffer is an idiot. He says that Flair is unaccustomed to being a challenger but to become an 11-time world champion he had to have been a challenger at least 11 times. He also says that Flair has "technically" held every title there is, which is an idiotic thing to say. I f***ing hated Michael Buffer. Have you forgot the cage, lads? Ah, here it comes. Jesus, that cage is f***ing raggedy. Looks like shit and is really short. Flair blades really obviously standing up after going into the cage a second time but only manages a little scratch. Hogan pounds on him to try and widen it but to no avail. Flair hits a kneedrop which causes Hogan to shout OHf***OHf***OHf***OHf***. Hogan working blue tonight, apparently. Flair connects off the top rope! Sloppy back suplex nearly breaks Flair's shoulder due to Hogan delivering the move wrong and Flair having to save his neck. Kudos to Flair delivering a perfectly safe back suplex later in the match. Sherri still had one of the best butts in the business. Sherri with a barefoot axehandle off the cage. Risky. How are you going to get a pin if you keep bumping the ref, Flair, you idiot? Hogan decapitates Sherri with a double clothesline. I think he felt bad because he delivers the lightest Axe Bomber afterwards. Also, remember when women would get bumped in a man's match and they weren't immediately hospitalised? Good days. Hogan wins with the legdrop because Flair's a f***ing idiot. Despite Flair being booked like a goober, this was a pretty damn good match. Way better than it had any right to be.
So if it was Brutus, does that mean he got under the ring at the start of the match in front of everyone and changed? Love them putting Schiavone on the house mic so that he can tell everyone it's Brutus. Heenan and Schiavone say that Brutus had been under the ring all day despite the fact he came out during Hogan's entrance. God damn it, WCW.
Decent PPV in my opinion.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 23, 2014 16:37:07 GMT -5
Stuff like this was why I hate 94 WCW
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Post by 67 more on Jul 25, 2014 13:03:38 GMT -5
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Post by 67 more on Jul 26, 2014 6:46:54 GMT -5
Owen vs Edge had great workrate but very poor psychology with stuff like the victim of the move getting up before the giver. No heat, either. Edge is yet to find the wrestling style that fits him, too, as he's hitting a lot of suplexes that while not bad, weren't great. That electric chair facebuster was great though. It's so bizarre seeing Edge hit a regular DDT instead of an Impaler.
Snow/Scorpio vs Too Much was sloppy but decent. Scorpio failing at Air Sabu was hilarious.
Marc Mero vs Droz was dreadful. Droz was too green and Mero at this point, outside a few highspots here and there, was pretty useless. Still impressive a man his size hitting a shooting star.
Bradshaw vs Vader was bad. Vader's glory days are gone. Despite JR's insistence it was a modified neckbreaker, there was no modification. It was just a neckbreaker and a lame finish after the lariat. Weird seeing a prototypical JBL look in 1998.
D'Lo vs Gangrel. I thought D'Lo's head was going to pop off his shoulders how much he was waggling it. Way better than a Gangrel match has any right to be and the D'Lo running powerbomb looks amazing.
Triple threat cage match was bad. Also, was the storyline of the match that Mankind is entirely incompetent? That's how it came across. That missed elbow from the cage was nasty too.
Val/Dustin was fairly bad. Who the f*** was meant to be the face? Val forgot to kick out of the bulldog as well. Also, Val has a very Shane Douglas feel to his promos.
6-man tag was worthless. Kinda jarring hear JR call the Fameasser the Rocker Dropper.
Main event was complete crap. I'm glad to have finished this PPV which was the drizzling shits.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 26, 2014 23:47:06 GMT -5
Watched Breakdown...this definitely felt like something a bad Vince Russo booked and this was when he was good.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 1, 2014 13:47:28 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 91 was picked, so get ready this for Chamber of Horrors!
Why is Abby wearing a shirt and tie?
The Chamber was just pure trash. Cactus had to no-sell a doomsday DDT because the f***ing idiots tried to drop a cage on him. Gigante and Abby were completely useless during the match. Also, love them hyping up the Refereye and the thing immediately craps out.
WTF are the Creatures? Shite match but at least Matt Borne looked good.
Eaton vs Taylor was a good long match. Eaton took a nasty gutwrench powerbomb on the ramp, bumping his arse off.
Garvin vs Badd was decent but sloppy. Garvin hiptosses Badd over the top rope, no DQ. It's a shame Badd couldn't pull off that diving sunset but he took the DDT like a champ. Camera missed Long pushing Garvin's foot off the rope.
Austin vs Rhodes had a great time limit draw. Clothesline over the top rope, no DQ. The top rope rule is f***ing stupid as the wrestlers just ignore it nine times out of ten. Both men pull off great blade jobs. Austin clearly kicks out at the end but JR calls it like the bell cost Dustin the match.
Why the f*** does Bobby Eaton have a pumpkin?
Kazmaier vs Oz. Aw shit. Shitty Queen ripoff, btw. Nothing done particularly badly, just very slow. Nash tried to kill Kazmaier with a back suplex, hopefully this was just a result of greenness. Sure Luger was thrilled with Kazmaier using the torture rack.
Van Hammer vs Doug Somers. Garbage. Hammer sucked so bad. Somers ducks a clothesline that wasn't there, Hammer ends up just clubbing him in the face. Hammer nearly cripples Somers with a f***ed slingshot suplex because Hammer did it way too f***ing close to the ropes. Twat. Somers decides to kick out of this and the ref just ignores it. Can't tell if it was because he was pissed off or knocked loopy.
Pillman vs Morton was dull, unfortunately. Pillman does a great job hyping up the Light Heavyweight title, treating it equal to the World title. Morton is not a heel.
Zenk vs The WCW Phantom. It's quite obviously Rick Rude. Why didn't they just advertise it as Rick Rude makes his WCW debut? Rude no-sells a dropkick and hits his neckbreaker for 3. Waste of everyone's time. Schiavone calls it the Rude Awakening anyway. Anyone know why Rude jumped to WCW?
The f***ing Patriots! A wrestling fireman, that's a money gimmick. And where/what is WCW Special Forces? US Tag Champs going after the World Tag titles of Anderson and Zbyszko. Zbyszko manages to start a match without stalling for ten minutes, which is nice. Arn does a fantastic facial expression when he realises he's going to get backdropped on the floor. Arn has to sell a botched atomic drop from Champion. Chip has the record for the world's slowest powerslam. Arn ends it with a beautiful spinebuster.
Oh look, Paul E revealed obvious Rude.
It feels weird to me hearing Simmons be a white-meat face. I'm so used to hearing Nation Faarooq. Also, why is Simmons using football preparation to win a wrestling championship? Is his coach conducting his promo from a wind tunnel?
Well, hello there Dusty, lovely tie dye shirt. Also, Dusty gets the main billing over Simmons. Ridiculous. So that's where Miz got his inflatable letters from. Simmons wins the first fall with a spinebuster (not the usual Faarooq spinebuster) and the fans celebrate like it was the third, dude was over. Dusty and Race do a great job sounding like actual real managers. Luger throws himself at Simmons to take advantage of the top rope rule, which over the whole night has only just started applying. Also, Simmons blatantly didn't throw him over. Luger did a great job with a weak kickout from a superplex, really selling how f***ed he is. Luger with the Attitude Adjustment! (JR: That's the piledriver!) Luger somehow finds a way to drop someone on his back with a piledriver. OK match, nothing special.
Meh PPV, there's some good but a lot of bad.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 1, 2014 16:37:56 GMT -5
Havoc 1991 isn't a bad show but the Chamber thing is hysterical. As in really, really bad. I had tears in my eyes from laughing at it, especially the finale with Abdullah. I thought the main event was pretty good actually, solid power match from Luger and Simmons. Eaton/Taylor was a very good match as well. I have to ask why on earth WCW would open the PPV with the Chamber match. You'd think as bad as it was that they would at least main event that insanity given all of the talent involved.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 1, 2014 16:43:13 GMT -5
I was 7 when the Chamber match occurred. My father got the WCW magazine that had a picture of Abdullah in the electric chair and I went to the bathroom, scared, crying and closed the door. I thought he was dead and it all happened on TV. Why I thought that, I don't know, because he had been on WCW TV after the Chamber match. The things kids think...
I saw the match on a Halloween Havoc compilation tape which I think was an hour video I found at Suncoast around 1998. I thought the match was pretty cool. The original heel team was to be One Man Gang, Studd, Barry Windham and Oz.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 1, 2014 22:36:45 GMT -5
I had that same exact tape, haha. It's a verifiable Who's Who of Wrestlecrap, with the Chamber match as well as the Windham as Sting deal from 1990. The Coal Miner's Glove "Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal" match is on there. Curiously they left off Vader/Cactus from 1993, which might be the best match ever at a Halloween Havoc! Either that or Eddie/Rey from 1997, which was included. And yes, they had the whole Giant/Hogan 1995 deal with the Yeti and all that insanity.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 1, 2014 23:50:02 GMT -5
Interesting mention during the World TV Title: Jim Ross on commentary said "If I owned a company and had a number one draft pick, I would pick "Stunning" Steve Austin." Interesting because it was Jim Ross who was very instrumental for Austin being in WWE, where he became the biggest name in wrestling in the late 90s.
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Post by mrjl on Aug 2, 2014 11:17:07 GMT -5
Austin vs Rhodes had a great time limit draw. Clothesline over the top rope, no DQ. The top rope rule is f***ing stupid as the wrestlers just ignore it nine times out of ten. Both men pull off great blade jobs. Austin clearly kicks out at the end but JR calls it like the bell cost Dustin the match Zenk vs The WCW Phantom. It's quite obviously Rick Rude. Why didn't they just advertise it as Rick Rude makes his WCW debut? Rude no-sells a dropkick and hits his neckbreaker for 3. Waste of everyone's time. Schiavone calls it the Rude Awakening anyway. Anyone know why Rude jumped to WCW? the top rope rule was basically that you had to lift them over and drop them over it. A press slam counted. Grabbing them by the hair and tights and tossing them like it was a battle royal counted. Backdropping them counted. Rude went to WCW because it was the only place left. He had left WWE a full year earlier
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Post by 67 more on Aug 2, 2014 13:03:49 GMT -5
Austin vs Rhodes had a great time limit draw. Clothesline over the top rope, no DQ. The top rope rule is f***ing stupid as the wrestlers just ignore it nine times out of ten. Both men pull off great blade jobs. Austin clearly kicks out at the end but JR calls it like the bell cost Dustin the match Zenk vs The WCW Phantom. It's quite obviously Rick Rude. Why didn't they just advertise it as Rick Rude makes his WCW debut? Rude no-sells a dropkick and hits his neckbreaker for 3. Waste of everyone's time. Schiavone calls it the Rude Awakening anyway. Anyone know why Rude jumped to WCW? the top rope rule was basically that you had to lift them over and drop them over it. A press slam counted. Grabbing them by the hair and tights and tossing them like it was a battle royal counted. Backdropping them counted. Rude went to WCW because it was the only place left. He had left WWE a full year earlier And Luger throws himself over and Simmons gets DQed? Also, Garvin hiptossed Badd over and it was ignored. Let me rephrase my question. Anyone know why Rude left WWE?
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Post by mrjl on Aug 2, 2014 14:27:32 GMT -5
the top rope rule was basically that you had to lift them over and drop them over it. A press slam counted. Grabbing them by the hair and tights and tossing them like it was a battle royal counted. Backdropping them counted. Rude went to WCW because it was the only place left. He had left WWE a full year earlier And Luger throws himself over and Simmons gets DQed? Also, Garvin hiptossed Badd over and it was ignored. Let me rephrase my question. Anyone know why Rude left WWE? he was going lower down the card. He was going to feud with Bossman, then there are rumors of a face turn, but behind Warrior and Hogan, WWF at the time had Jake Roberts as a face and Bossman and Duggan massively over, plus Piper was only a part time wrestler but that could change at any point.
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