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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 12, 2014 21:16:12 GMT -5
I will say I don't think there's any going back to your nameless jobbers being peppered throughout the show either. They've moved beyond that. That genie is WELL outta the bottle.
Plus, as an adult, there's no way I'd watch something like Superstars or even Raw used to be back when.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 12, 2014 21:18:13 GMT -5
Out of all these releases, how is it that Facebook trending news or whatever felt the only firing I'd be interested in was JTG?
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Post by mizerable on Jun 12, 2014 21:26:14 GMT -5
you know, if he felt his talents were being wasted he could have quit It's not even about wasting talents, he never had the chance to show his talents. It makes no sense for half the roster to be not used. Even in the most minimum ways like being an enhancement guy. Cause instead of repeating matches until everyone gets sick of them, why not mix things up and use the full scope of your roster? There's no downside to putting these guys on TV now and then. Who knows, maybe they'll gain a fan base and that can be used to build even more people up. If everyone from the top to the bottom is used to the best of their abilities, that leads to a greater program and that leads to more reasons for people to watch. On top of that, you're cycling through the talent more, thus allowing others to have a chance to rest up. There's far more benefits to using all of your talent, as opposed to a fraction of it. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jun 12, 2014 21:26:53 GMT -5
Every cloud has a silver lining.
Aksana now has more time to meet me and fall in love with me.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 12, 2014 21:29:50 GMT -5
Yoshi, you classy classy man! I salute you! It's not the same without his Twitter name being censored:P |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 12, 2014 21:47:55 GMT -5
That's the thing that really confuses me. If I were a WWE stockholder, I'd be very upset that the company wasn't maximizing every asset they had. Not saying give them all megapushes, but use them in some way that profits the company. And yeah, if Creative isn't able to come up with anything for these guys, well, there's not much "creative" in that office, is there? Love him or hate him, even Russo had *something* going for everyone on the roster. pretty sure there's really no business plan in the entertainment world that calls for "maximizing every asset" and in fact I think stock holders would be concerned if WWE were trying to do that. In movies and TV you need extras to fill out the crowd scenes but you don't focus on them over the stars, and trying to get bit players or character actors a bigger role has often been a recipe for failure. You don't try to get your background vocalist noticed when you're promoting a new star. And in sports, not everyone gets on the field every game, but people still realize you have to pay the people who don't play, in case something happens to the people who do. No sir, that's not how it works. Contracted performers are not the same thing as rounding up a bunch of people to stand in the background for one 20-second scene. And you're talking apples/oranges with the other comparisons. WWE doesn't keep secondaries on hand "just in case" and they don't bring in backing performers for one piece like that (well, they do, it's what they do with the INDIE guys they use for spots, not contracted performers). Every character there is supposed to be a merchadisable Superstar, waiting for action figures and video game appearances. If they're paying someone and not getting SOMETHING out of them, then yes, the shareholders should be concerned about that sort of wasted money. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 12, 2014 21:53:56 GMT -5
pretty sure there's really no business plan in the entertainment world that calls for "maximizing every asset" and in fact I think stock holders would be concerned if WWE were trying to do that. In movies and TV you need extras to fill out the crowd scenes but you don't focus on them over the stars, and trying to get bit players or character actors a bigger role has often been a recipe for failure. You don't try to get your background vocalist noticed when you're promoting a new star. And in sports, not everyone gets on the field every game, but people still realize you have to pay the people who don't play, in case something happens to the people who do. No sir, that's not how it works. Contracted performers are not the same thing as rounding up a bunch of people to stand in the background for one 20-second scene. And you're talking apples/oranges with the other comparisons. WWE doesn't keep secondaries on hand "just in case" and they don't bring in backing performers for one piece like that (well, they do, it's what they do with the INDIE guys they use for spots, not contracted performers). Every character there is supposed to be a merchadisable Superstar, waiting for action figures and video game appearances. If they're paying someone and not getting SOMETHING out of them, then yes, the shareholders should be concerned about that sort of wasted money. Exactly. Every performer on the payroll, theoretically, is a scripted character. Especially post-Attitude era, since they really don't use enhancement talent. And even back then, they weren't like crowd extras (though admittedly they were sometimes referred to as such); jobbers were more like thug #3 or whatever that you'd have B.A. Baracus beat up on A-Team. Not using the people you pay to ostensibly perform is both short-sighted and stupid. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 12, 2014 21:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 12, 2014 22:02:22 GMT -5
Off the serious topic, "The Red Endeavouring" has to be one of the best thread titles ever.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jun 12, 2014 22:07:33 GMT -5
That's the thing that really confuses me. If I were a WWE stockholder, I'd be very upset that the company wasn't maximizing every asset they had. Not saying give them all megapushes, but use them in some way that profits the company. And yeah, if Creative isn't able to come up with anything for these guys, well, there's not much "creative" in that office, is there? Love him or hate him, even Russo had *something* going for everyone on the roster. pretty sure there's really no business plan in the entertainment world that calls for "maximizing every asset" and in fact I think stock holders would be concerned if WWE were trying to do that. In movies and TV you need extras to fill out the crowd scenes but you don't focus on them over the stars, and trying to get bit players or character actors a bigger role has often been a recipe for failure. You don't try to get your background vocalist noticed when you're promoting a new star. And in sports, not everyone gets on the field every game, but people still realize you have to pay the people who don't play, in case something happens to the people who do. A) Stockholders DO care. I know firsthand because I am one and am in on all the calls. They are mad that money is being wasted; thus expenditures are unnecessarily up; thus less profit is being made overall; thus they get less return. It's TERRIBLE business. And unacceptable in a public company. B) Yes, in business, you do TRY and maximize all your resources. That's the point of business. Sometimes things fail or don't work out, but companies have entire resource departments and forensic accountant teams to keep them abreast on what's being spent, wasted, and how things could better be utilized. It's basically the sole purpose of a producer: to make sure money and time isn't wasted. Return over investment is the purpose of every business on earth. C) That is not how wrestling was or should be promoted; nor was it when it was at its most popular. It's better to use your resources, since YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING THEM TO DO NOTHING OR JUST SIT AT HOME. And no one said anything about getting anyone more lover than the star, so your analogy, as per usual, and idiotic. The goal is utilizing that individual to the best of his ability, and getting the most optimized return on your investment from him since YOU MAKE NOTHING IF YOU DON'T. You're basically paying someone for a service's often not even undertaken. And you're not even trying to utilize him, let alone to his utmost ability and potential. If this was how movie studios ran things, those in charge would be fired and replaced (and have been) so fast your head would spin. |
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jun 12, 2014 22:09:17 GMT -5
The one I feel the worst for is easily Drew -- he should have been a top star by now, and no offense to his role in 3MB but it was a huge waste of a guy of his talent.
If they were going to release him, it should have been 2011 or 12, when he still had some value left. He could have asked for a pretty decent amount of money on the indy circuit if he was just coming off "Chosen one" Drew instead of "3MB jobber" Drew. His stock has been lowered greatly and it's not his fault.
Who knows. Maybe he'll go to NJPW and be a huge star. Have to wait and see.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jun 12, 2014 22:10:12 GMT -5
Yoshi, you classy classy man! I salute you! It's not the same without his Twitter name being censored:P Yo, Shit at Suwwe! |
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Post by percymania on Jun 12, 2014 22:13:10 GMT -5
I'm not happy about people losing their jobs, but a lot of these guys were long overdue.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jun 12, 2014 22:19:42 GMT -5
As unfortunate it is that all these guys got fired and as upsetting as it is in a few occasions...
If you're spending money on something that you're not using, have no plans to use, or only use occasionally, then the most financially responsible thing to do is get rid of it and save that extra money for use elsewhere.
Besides, it's not like they can go anywhere when you're the only game in town. If you ever have a wild desire to have them back then you can do it in a heartbeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:23:05 GMT -5
So if you are Curt Hawkins, you might want to clean your pants and then hide because your little stunt just came back to bite you in the ass: twitter.com/TheMarkHenry/with_repliesTheMarkHenry @themarkhenry · 2h @thecurthawkins First I don't often explain my self to no one!But I had no idea anyone got let go,it's sad.I was asked to post about bday. @thecurthawkins That's what came out it was about my 18 year journey. I know where you live dude it's a small world. An apology is due. If not well You know me I'll handle our biz. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 12, 2014 22:28:15 GMT -5
As unfortunate it is that all these guys got fired and as upsetting as it is in a few occasions... If you're spending money on something that you're not using, have no plans to use, or only use occasionally, then the most financially responsible thing to do is get rid of it and save that extra money for use elsewhere.
Besides, it's not like they can go anywhere when you're the only game in town. If you ever have a wild desire to have them back then you can do it in a heartbeat. That's pretty much the reason why it's so upsetting. Because those of us who actually did care for these talents won't be able to continue watching their work. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 12, 2014 22:30:52 GMT -5
So if you are Curt Hawkins, you might want to clean your pants and then hide because your little stunt just came back to bite you in the ass: twitter.com/TheMarkHenry/with_repliesTheMarkHenry @themarkhenry · 2h @thecurthawkins First I don't often explain my self to no one!But I had no idea anyone got let go,it's sad.I was asked to post about bday. @thecurthawkins That's what came out it was about my 18 year journey. I know where you live dude it's a small world. An apology is due. If not well You know me I'll handle our biz. "Now we can handle this like gentlemen or we can get into some gangsta shit." |
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 12, 2014 22:31:00 GMT -5
So if you are Curt Hawkins, you might want to clean your pants and then hide because your little stunt just came back to bite you in the ass: twitter.com/TheMarkHenry/with_repliesTheMarkHenry @themarkhenry · 2h @thecurthawkins First I don't often explain my self to no one!But I had no idea anyone got let go,it's sad.I was asked to post about bday. @thecurthawkins That's what came out it was about my 18 year journey. I know where you live dude it's a small world. An apology is due. If not well You know me I'll handle our biz. Somebody gon' get their ass kicked |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:33:04 GMT -5
So if you are Curt Hawkins, you might want to clean your pants and then hide because your little stunt just came back to bite you in the ass: twitter.com/TheMarkHenry/with_repliesTheMarkHenry @themarkhenry · 2h @thecurthawkins First I don't often explain my self to no one!But I had no idea anyone got let go,it's sad.I was asked to post about bday. @thecurthawkins That's what came out it was about my 18 year journey. I know where you live dude it's a small world. An apology is due. If not well You know me I'll handle our biz. Somebody gon' get they wig split.... Edit: I could not have had better timing had I planned it. |
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Post by Chip on Jun 12, 2014 22:33:27 GMT -5
As unfortunate it is that all these guys got fired and as upsetting as it is in a few occasions... If you're spending money on something that you're not using, have no plans to use, or only use occasionally, then the most financially responsible thing to do is get rid of it and save that extra money for use elsewhere.
Besides, it's not like they can go anywhere when you're the only game in town. If you ever have a wild desire to have them back then you can do it in a heartbeat. That's pretty much the reason why it's so upsetting. Because those of us who actually did care for these talents won't be able to continue watching their work. Ehh, it depends. I know you live in Hawaii so postage may be pretty steep but most of these guys will likely either end up doing the indie circuit which is expensive but not especially hard to follow or they'll end up with Jarrett. |
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