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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 20, 2014 22:43:31 GMT -5
The new guy in the main event wasn't the problem. It was the guy who debuted in WWE 20 years ago next Summer main eventing a PPV in 2014. And this is "not all they got". You literally saw matches wherein they could have changed directions (Wyatts get the belts, Bo get the IC belt) but they instead chose to carry forward a direction that is tired and played out. Usos are awesome, but it was time for them to drop the straps or risk marginalizing the Wyatts credibility. A heatless, worthless Miz also had no business winning the IC title when there's not only others more over, but guys who'd benefit more with the belt. And all to continue a stupid insignificant feud with a stale Sheamus that no one cares about. And Bray Wyatt? You talk abut an afterthought. His character isn't even believable anymore from a cult leader point of view. He's had his legs totally cut off since the feud with Cena. Tonight's show, booking wise, was an exercise is stubbornness and cluelessness. Most of these we can never agree on. I despise the Wyatts as characters for example and find the idea of a cult leader to be legitimately pathetic without help to be appropriate for the character. The Usos haven't even won one feud as tag team champs and you say it's time for them to drop the straps to protect a different team. They beat the NAO in a feud that was harder than it should have been for them, took on all comers at Mania as a replacement for a proper build then went into the feud with the Wyatts. As long as it took the WWE to get the Usos the titles and you want them to drop them after one feud to protect a different team. Screw protecting heels, they cheat, they can win matches that way. Worry about protecting faces. It's really this constant desire to move onto the next thing that is a significant part of drives me nuts. I like to enjoy the view at my destination quite a while before moving onto the next thing. Well, unfortunately , you're statistically insignificant to the wants and needs and everyone else on earth. You can have your preferences, but you cannot really get angry when others don't share them, or in some cases, unlike yourself, have more complex nuanced reasons for their own views that don't border on the simplistic "I hate bad guys 'cause they're bad!" childlike mindset. It's a story. You have to build up villains in order for the hero to eventually defeat them and have it actually A) mean something and B) be emotionally rewarding. That is literally the point of wrestling.
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Post by Error on Jul 20, 2014 22:43:41 GMT -5
Bray wins a lot? I cannot remember a single victory since Extreme Rules. Cena killed the brother dead and Jericho just pissed on the corpse tonight.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 20, 2014 22:43:52 GMT -5
Guy 3: Everything WWE does is magical, and I'll assert that with the last breath in my body. That would be fine in and of itself, but I won't settle for that. I'll make sure and tell everyone around me that they're wrong for whatever their opinion is at a place I voluntarily come to, while simultaneously accusing THEM of ruining MY experience, never once seeing the inherent irony there. except I don't say that. I mean, you've seen my comment I'm happy Bray lost right? Bray wins a lot more than he loses so how do you think I feel about that? In fact WWE likes to build up monster heels who will be eventually fed to top stars. And I universally hate the build up because they go over plenty of guys I like. I didn't want Ryback to face CM Punk for the WWE title because I knew they couldn't let him win but I didn't want his winning streak to end. I hate that they let Brock Lesnar end the streak and are going to make him the next WWE champ. I'm pissed off they're going to run with AJ as a face, that they pushed AJ over Kaitlyn to the point Kaitlyn decided to call it quits because there didn't seem to be room for her. I also dislike the number of people WWE have shifted out of the ring to announcing or training,. Man I'm sick of all this negativity about WWE! Does anyone know of another wrestling fan forum I can join where I enjoy people being happy about the product?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 20, 2014 22:45:06 GMT -5
Legitimate question, if it's so miserable here for ya; why remain? sometimes people bitch less and it's okay, don't know any other forums that get much traffic. but frankly there's only a couple of people who really ruin the experience for me. Wrestling Figs Kinda like here, only different. UK Fan Forum Good gents here. Uk based obviously. Wrestling Forum As large as we are with an extra 50% tacked on. New WrestleCrap Forums The New WrestleCrap board. Sean's the admin there. There's some off the top of my head that may or may not give ya what ya want from a board experience.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 20, 2014 22:45:16 GMT -5
no, I want a forum where people expect to have a good time, probably will and are genuinely surprised when there's something they dislike. Who don't enjoy talking about how much WWE sucks. No such place exists, because WWE doesn't book a product that creates one. do you really think WWE makes the money it does with the majority of the people watching it expecting to be disappointed?
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Post by mrjl on Jul 20, 2014 22:46:39 GMT -5
sometimes people bitch less and it's okay, don't know any other forums that get much traffic. but frankly there's only a couple of people who really ruin the experience for me. Wrestle Figs Kinda like here, only different. UK Fan Forum Good gents here. Uk based obviously. Wrestling Forum As large as we are with an extra 50% tacked on. New WrestleCrap Forums The New WrestleCrap board. Sean's the admin there. There's some off the top of my head that may or may not give ya what ya want from a board experience. thank's I'll check them out. I've been to the new Wrestlecrap forum. At least when I've been there I've been surprised how little traffic there is
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 20, 2014 22:47:30 GMT -5
No such place exists, because WWE doesn't book a product that creates one. do you really think WWE makes the money it does with the majority of the people watching it expecting to be disappointed? Yes, because they could be earning much more. Right now, WWE are running their business by holding on to what they've got, rather than taking bold steps to expand their appeal. When Punk said Vince is a millionaire who should be a billionaire, he wasn't exaggerating.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 20, 2014 22:49:35 GMT -5
If I may just post a thought on this, I don't think it's a bad thing to want a bit more positive conversation sometimes. Not saying Battleground was amazing or perfect or anything, but it can get a tad excessive at times. My feeling on that is the same as it has been since 2003 when I first came here--if you want positive topics, start em. No one's preventing you from that. This place isn't a hivemind, and there's a wide variety of disparate opinions. Some are gonna agree with you, some aren't. You're gonna get positivity and negativity. When it's a show like tonight that the majority doesn't like, well, that's gonna show up in people's posts. No one else's opinion has the ability to affect yours unless you let it. Not disagreeing, everyone has their own opinion and that's fine. I'm just saying that you can't blame someone for wanting to talk about something aside from how terrible a show is in the official thread for that show (general comment, not you or anything).
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Post by Kaysie on Jul 20, 2014 22:50:24 GMT -5
Guy 3: Everything WWE does is magical, and I'll assert that with the last breath in my body. That would be fine in and of itself, but I won't settle for that. I'll make sure and tell everyone around me that they're wrong for whatever their opinion is at a place I voluntarily come to, while simultaneously accusing THEM of ruining MY experience, never once seeing the inherent irony there. except I don't say that. I mean, you've seen my comment I'm happy Bray lost right? Bray wins a lot more than he loses so how do you think I feel about that? In fact WWE likes to build up monster heels who will be eventually fed to top stars. And I universally hate the build up because they go over plenty of guys I like. I didn't want Ryback to face CM Punk for the WWE title because I knew they couldn't let him win but I didn't want his winning streak to end. I hate that they let Brock Lesnar end the streak and are going to make him the next WWE champ. I'm pissed off they're going to run with AJ as a face, that they pushed AJ over Kaitlyn to the point Kaitlyn decided to call it quits because there didn't seem to be room for her. I also dislike the number of people WWE have shifted out of the ring to announcing or training,. Why not stop watching if you don't like stuff about it? I believe that is what you implied was the best idea.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 20, 2014 22:51:05 GMT -5
Speaking for myself, the negativity towards the company can wear me down at times (mostly in relation to calling careers done after a bad run of booking... I've seen enough wrestling to know they can be salvaged at any time)... BUT, WWE don't do themselves any favours by presenting the shows the way they do. They really don't.
They have an embarrassment of riches, and they are seemingly unsure of what to do with most of it.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 20, 2014 22:51:15 GMT -5
do you really think WWE makes the money it does with the majority of the people watching it expecting to be disappointed? Yes, because they could be earning much more. Right now, WWE are running their business by holding on to what they've got, rather than taking bold steps to expand their appeal. When Punk said Vince is a millionaire who should be a billionaire, he wasn't exaggerating. Wrestlemania XXX looked like WWE was moving forward (Cesaro, Wyatt, Bryan*, Shield) But instead they just hit the brakes *What happened to him can't be helped but his fued before his injury SUCKED
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Post by mrjl on Jul 20, 2014 22:53:28 GMT -5
except I don't say that. I mean, you've seen my comment I'm happy Bray lost right? Bray wins a lot more than he loses so how do you think I feel about that? In fact WWE likes to build up monster heels who will be eventually fed to top stars. And I universally hate the build up because they go over plenty of guys I like. I didn't want Ryback to face CM Punk for the WWE title because I knew they couldn't let him win but I didn't want his winning streak to end. I hate that they let Brock Lesnar end the streak and are going to make him the next WWE champ. I'm pissed off they're going to run with AJ as a face, that they pushed AJ over Kaitlyn to the point Kaitlyn decided to call it quits because there didn't seem to be room for her. I also dislike the number of people WWE have shifted out of the ring to announcing or training,. Why not stop watching if you don't like stuff about it? I believe that is what you implied was the best idea. because I like more than I dislike. That's not the impression I get from posters here, who seem genuinely shocked when they like a WWE action
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 20, 2014 22:54:21 GMT -5
My feeling on that is the same as it has been since 2003 when I first came here--if you want positive topics, start em. No one's preventing you from that. This place isn't a hivemind, and there's a wide variety of disparate opinions. Some are gonna agree with you, some aren't. You're gonna get positivity and negativity. When it's a show like tonight that the majority doesn't like, well, that's gonna show up in people's posts. No one else's opinion has the ability to affect yours unless you let it. Not disagreeing, everyone has their own opinion and that's fine. I'm just saying that you can't blame someone for wanting to talk about something aside from how terrible a show is in the official thread for that show (general comment, not you or anything). There's a way to do that without insulting the majority of the forum though. I see where you're coming from, and you're right on that part of it.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
More of a B+ player, actually
I'm Necessary Evil.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 20, 2014 22:54:29 GMT -5
All I can say is not one of us is here to cater to ya chief. I didn't ask you to. I criticize people here, but they criticize me even more, IMO Because, on average you tend to say some of the most absurd, ridiculous, nonsensical, irrational things ever uttered on a forum, and somehow never seem to learn a lesson when dozens of people correct you, prove you wrong, or flatout destroy your entire argument to a decimated level with logic, reason and in many cases irrefutable video evidence. I used to think you were a clever troll. But I sincerely, and I don't mean this as an insult, I really don't, believe you may have some serious perception and mental issues. I have yet to see another human being as insanely stubborn as you in my life. It's not a "good thing". So, if it seems like some criticize you, it's honestly because you seem impossibly clueless and never admit you're wrong -- even when it is patently obvious to everyone else outside of you. If you admitted you were wrong, even once, I know I'd take that as a sign that you can be debated and I'd respect you for it. But the other way? Dear god. But on a positive note: I think I found out why Brock didn't show up tonight. ![http://seancarless.com/images/herecomestheplane.png](http://seancarless.com/images/herecomestheplane.png) There goes the plane!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 22:54:39 GMT -5
No such place exists, because WWE doesn't book a product that creates one. do you really think WWE makes the money it does with the majority of the people watching it expecting to be disappointed? Yes. It's the only game in town, so people will continue to support it in the hopes that they'll, once again, produce quality programming that made them fans in the first place. And it's not like they don't enjoy every aspect of the show. Overall it's been abysmal to me, but there are various performers that I enjoy watching, so I continue to in spite of the show being disappointing more times than not.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 20, 2014 23:05:34 GMT -5
One positive we can take from this show
Botchamania's next episode is gonna be good
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Post by Kaysie on Jul 20, 2014 23:07:17 GMT -5
Why not stop watching if you don't like stuff about it? I believe that is what you implied was the best idea. because I like more than I dislike. That's not the impression I get from posters here, who seem genuinely shocked when they like a WWE action Which they have every right to feel.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Jul 20, 2014 23:28:06 GMT -5
My problem - they changes their booking to favor Bryan after the crowd shit on their product going into Wrestlania. Trips was put in charge of Mania, which was praised and saw the crowd favorite achieve his dream and finally provided catharsis to the fans who had tirelessly supported him up to that point. Then...they just go back to BAU, supposedly with Vince taking over the reigns again(no pun intended) depending on which news/news source you read.
But...why?!
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Post by revolver86 on Jul 20, 2014 23:40:44 GMT -5
My problem - they changes their booking to favor Bryan after the crowd shit on their product going into Wrestlania. Trips was put in charge of Mania, which was praised and saw the crowd favorite achieve his dream and finally provided catharsis to the fans who had tirelessly supported him up to that point. Then...they just go back to BAU, supposedly with Vince taking over the reigns again(no pun intended) depending on which news/news source you read. But...why?! Because we're watching the struggle between Triple H and Vince live on TV.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Jul 20, 2014 23:54:03 GMT -5
My problem - they changes their booking to favor Bryan after the crowd shit on their product going into Wrestlania. Trips was put in charge of Mania, which was praised and saw the crowd favorite achieve his dream and finally provided catharsis to the fans who had tirelessly supported him up to that point. Then...they just go back to BAU, supposedly with Vince taking over the reigns again(no pun intended) depending on which news/news source you read. But...why?! Because we're watching the struggle between Triple H and Vince live on TV. Eh, if this isn't sarcasm, I don't think there's much of a struggle. Triple H is where he is and will be putting on good to great NXT shows for a while. At this point, I just wish they'd give NXT more than 1 hour a week and I just sigh in submission every time someone gets called up. So far, Bo Dallas is the only one I don't think they've screwed up too badly. Paige was stripped of everything she did in NXT. Adam Rose's deal just didn't translate well into the big arenas. Wyatt who, up until the last few months, had been going well now just seems "meh." Wyatt's deal is supposed to be fear. Why fear someone if you know they're going to lose in the end? Harper and Rowan had a good match but they should've won the belts. If they weren't ready to put the belts on them, they shouldn't have been in the program.
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