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Post by mizerable on Jul 11, 2014 10:51:28 GMT -5
Outside of a lot of the ones that have been mentioned, I remember TNA's X division match that took place in that dome thing, the one where the contestants weren't capable of maneuvering to escape from it. I can't remember who it was, but it was obvious he was supposed to win, but couldn't get out.
But yeah, I have a hatred of scaffold matches because they suck and are way too dangerous.
And thanks for reminding me of the dog poop match, I had somehow blocked that out of my memory until this thread.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 11, 2014 10:52:54 GMT -5
Outside of a lot of the ones that have been mentioned, I remember TNA's X division match that took place in that dome thing, the one where the contestants weren't capable of maneuvering to escape from it. I can't remember who it was, but it was obvious he was supposed to win, but couldn't get out. But yeah, I have a hatred of scaffold matches because they suck and are way too dangerous. And thanks for reminding me of the dog poop match, I had somehow blocked that out of my memory until this thread. Homicide, it was during the Jan 4th episode of Impact when Hogan showed up. It was also blindingly orange and hard to see anything inside because of it...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 11, 2014 10:57:43 GMT -5
Outside of a lot of the ones that have been mentioned, I remember TNA's X division match that took place in that dome thing, the one where the contestants weren't capable of maneuvering to escape from it. I can't remember who it was, but it was obvious he was supposed to win, but couldn't get out. But yeah, I have a hatred of scaffold matches because they suck and are way too dangerous. And thanks for reminding me of the dog poop match, I had somehow blocked that out of my memory until this thread. Homicide, it was during the Jan 4th episode of Impact when Hogan showed up. It was also blindingly orange and hard to see anything inside because of it... TNA had some really interesting gimmick matches. Especially when they try and reverse things... like the Reverse Battle Royale, The Reverse Steel Cage. Also Elevation X...
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 11, 2014 11:00:13 GMT -5
Homicide, it was during the Jan 4th episode of Impact when Hogan showed up. It was also blindingly orange and hard to see anything inside because of it... TNA had some really interesting gimmick matches. Especially when they try and reverse things... like the Reverse Battle Royale, The Reverse Steel Cage. Also Elevation X... King of the Mountain too, which IIRC was a reverse Ladder Match.
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Post by lookout on Jul 11, 2014 11:00:36 GMT -5
Pretty much every cage match where you can win if you escape the cage. It would be one thing if it was only over the top to escape but it always looks SOOOO incredibly dumb when wrestlers have a thousand chances to walk out the door to win. So I absolutely hate cage matches. It's unbelievable that tna/wwe have not at least gotten rid of being able to win by just walking out the door.
One of the other bad gimmick matches that come to my mind was the wcw chamber of horrors match back in 91. It was really dumb. To win, one team has to put one of the opponents of the other team into an "electric" chair and "electrocute" them. There was discussion about this match on a legends of wrestling show where foley showed how the lever that was supposed to be pulled to electrify the chair was broken and in the "on" position and he had to fix it. The end came when foley accidentally shocks abdullah and of course sparks went everywhere with abdullah having to sell it. It just came across as so incredibly stupid that its hard to imagine the thought process behind even making that match.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 11, 2014 11:01:04 GMT -5
That one where Booker T and Jarret had to bust up boxes around the ring ranks up there for me It did give us this classic moment though
The picture of Scott Hall got a bigger pop than almost everything else on the show that night
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 11, 2014 11:01:49 GMT -5
TNA had some really interesting gimmick matches. Especially when they try and reverse things... like the Reverse Battle Royale, The Reverse Steel Cage. Also Elevation X... King of the Mountain too, which IIRC was a reverse Ladder Match. with pinfalls and a penalty box first.
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Post by Kaysie on Jul 11, 2014 11:03:50 GMT -5
In terms of real life I understand, "Loser leaves town" type of matches. With people actually leaving, filming movies or whatever. But are we expected to believe that wrestlers are that stupid, that they would risk a well paid job. Just to win a title or just to beat up someone?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 11, 2014 11:03:50 GMT -5
What about the one where the Rock and Billy Gunn fought with the loser getting his head shoved into a fat woman's ass? That happened, right? It did, but it wasn't an official stipulation, if I remember right
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 11, 2014 11:06:12 GMT -5
In terms of real life I understand, "Loser leaves town" type of matches. With people actually leaving, filming movies or whatever. But are we expected to believe that wrestlers are that stupid, that they would risk a well paid job. Just to win a title or just to beat up someone? It only works IMO if both put their jobs on the line. See Ric Flair/Mr. Perfect from early 93...who had a hatred for each other in story that the WWF wasn't big enough for both of them. [Real reason: Ric was going back to WCW.]
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 11, 2014 11:13:14 GMT -5
I also recall Mark Henry once challenging Viscera to a "gorilla press slam match" where the idea was that to win you had to hoist the other guy over your head and slam him with a gorilla press. I thought it was pretty dumb because even then there was no way that even the World's Strongest Man was going to hoist man boobs galore over his head.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 11, 2014 12:47:50 GMT -5
Well, all scaffold matches are dumb then Road Warriors vs. Midnight Express from Starrcade 1986 disagrees with you. I have never seen the whole match. Perhaps it can be the exception. I just find the concept and quality of those kinds of matches to be inferior to any normal street fight where you can work and still get to the big spot in other less predictable ways.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 11, 2014 14:06:48 GMT -5
I had to look this up to make sure it wasn't some hallucination:
The "over the top, off with your top" match that introduced Steven Richars's new character. If the dude got thrown out of the ring, some lady would have to strip.
Also all those creepy matches where the ring is done up like a teenage girl's bedroom.
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Post by sonofblaine on Jul 11, 2014 14:51:18 GMT -5
Alot have been mentioned. Any matches with poop involved... The ones with GF/Valet/wife on the line were creepy, horrible and wrong on so many levels (it would be a good swerve if once, the heel won, was ready to receive payment, and the woman just refused, citing that she legally didn't have to and she and the face just left laughing, having gotten over on them with a loophole you could drive a truck through)
Also any women-style gimmick matches... your mud/jello/etc in a pool matches and while I'm sure it's an unpopular opinion, Bra and Panty matches are also dumb.
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Post by khali on Jul 11, 2014 16:01:50 GMT -5
The King of the Mountain Match always struck me as one of the worst. Even the concept of a reverse ladder match is pretty stupid, but on top of that you have to pin a guy to qualify to hang the belt up, and the guy you pin temporarily goes in a penalty box.
The King of the Road match deserves a mention too.
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Post by Kaysie on Jul 11, 2014 16:29:48 GMT -5
In terms of real life I understand, "Loser leaves town" type of matches. With people actually leaving, filming movies or whatever. But are we expected to believe that wrestlers are that stupid, that they would risk a well paid job. Just to win a title or just to beat up someone? It only works IMO if both put their jobs on the line. See Ric Flair/Mr. Perfect from early 93...who had a hatred for each other in story that the WWF wasn't big enough for both of them. [Real reason: Ric was going back to WCW.] Yeah I wasn't saying it couldn't happen under the right circumstances it could work, it just seems sort of overused at this point. If it seems believable sure it can add something to the blowoff of a feud, like everything execution of it is key. Like I can't really see how anyone could truthfully believe that John Cena would have been fired after that MITB match, despite the outcome of it. Then again, thinking about it from a business and talent standpoint. Having a big send off for someone who is genuinely leaving. Selling that one last PPV with said talent, and having a nice moment for the wrestler themselves isn't that bad of an idea I suppose. So I'm sort of conflicted about the whole idea now. Good and bad points to it really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 20:21:22 GMT -5
The King of the Mountain Match always struck me as one of the worst. Even the concept of a reverse ladder match is pretty stupid, but on top of that you have to pin a guy to qualify to hang the belt up, and the guy you pin temporarily goes in a penalty box. The King of the Road match deserves a mention too. You know what would make King of the Mountain kind of amazing? If some beast, like Lashley or Joe or something, would knock out everybody at once, pile them in a way to where all four can be pinned at once (like two sets of one guy on top of another, close enough together to lay their whole body across them, or something) and then just laugh their way to the win while everyone is in the penalty box at the same time.
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Post by Gremlin on Jul 11, 2014 21:26:01 GMT -5
I remember a first blood match where one guy's (Christian?) forehead was clearly busted open and the ref allowed it because it was incidental.
Can I get some help with this one?
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Post by MiLB Fan on Jul 11, 2014 21:42:54 GMT -5
What about the one where the Rock and Billy Gunn fought with the loser getting his head shoved into a fat woman's ass? That happened, right? It did, but it wasn't an official stipulation, if I remember right Oh it certainly was! I just checked the match out on WWE Network and it was explicitly billed as a Kiss My Ass match. The loser was supposed to kiss the ass of the victor, but Billy thought it would be more fun to see Rock have to kiss the behind of a fat woman. Suffice to say, that plan backfired.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jul 11, 2014 21:47:33 GMT -5
I wanna see a "winner gets the loser's wife/girlfriend/whatever" match in which the person putting up their significant other keeps upping the ante to the point where it becomes obvious that he isn't exactly too happy with his domestic situation. "Thirty days? If you win, then can keep her as long as you like! In fact, I'll put my kids on the line too! Also, you can move into my house in that homogenous cul-de-sac full of vacant eyed rubes who try to force inane small talk every time you walk out the door!" I wanna see an ambulance match in which just as the heel looks like he's gonna lose, his manager uses his cell phone to call in a fake emergency that reuires the ambulance to haul ass out of the arena. Well, all scaffold matches are dumb then Road Warriors vs. Midnight Express from Starrcade 1986 disagrees with you. Jim Cornette's knees disagree with you. Elevation X was the worst idea of any scaffold match. That whole X design of the scaffold makes the whole thing even more awkward, and scaffold matches are pretty damn awkward as it is. I kind of wish TNA did a reverse scaffold match. You try to win by throwing your opponent on top of the scaffhold from the ring! As weird is it sounds, I think ECW's "High Incident" match (scaffold match over a ring full of stacks of tables) on paper seems like the safest scaffold match there is. I mean yeah, landing on three tables stacked on top of each would be painful, but atleast it slows you down before you hit the canvas.
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