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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 11, 2014 19:52:10 GMT -5
Just watched the new Transformers movie and I've realised, action scenes and sequences in modern movies are utter awful. It got me thinking about the latest movies I've seen such as The Hobbit, Pacific Rim, and Amazing Spider-man 2 and they all seem to have the same problems. A focus on style over substance.
They go on for too long. Have too much happening at once. overreliance on fake looking CGI "Cool" moments that come across as goofy like someone doing a ridiculous flip and slashing with a sword or firing a gun from the hip whilst sliding and managing to hit every target. Bad dialogue during them. And, worst of all for me, the fact there seems to be a modern trend of basically turning the films villains footsoldiers into nothing but walking cannon fodder for the heroes to demolish without barely breaking a sweat whilst doing "cool" clichéd moves. Why should I care about the action sequence if I don't feel like the hero is in any actual danger?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 11, 2014 20:02:13 GMT -5
I can never follow them. CGI shit thrown at the screen, lots of flashing lights and I have no clue what's going on. I watched Man of Steel and my eyes just glazed over. A simplified fight between Zod and Superman would have sufficed.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jul 11, 2014 20:04:23 GMT -5
So... it's the 80's action movie cliche's with more CGI and flips?
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jul 11, 2014 20:11:44 GMT -5
Shakey came is the one thing that pisses me the f*** right off, in most action movies today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 20:20:49 GMT -5
I actively fast forward thru action scenes in newer movies I watch. They go on forever and just don't interest me.
If I'm watching, I care about the plot; I want to see the story progress. And in modern movies, I can zip thru a 10 minute action scene and miss ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF WORTH.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 11, 2014 20:24:52 GMT -5
While I agree there are a lot of awful action scenes, I do not include Amazing Spider-man 2, the action was the only good part of that film, nor do I include Pacific Rim.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 20:35:09 GMT -5
Your list of issues with modern action films are the EXACT same qualms people had with 80s and 90s action films, except the CGI has gotten better.
Bad dialogue? Cannon fodder bad guys? Style over substance? Heroes implausibly good at fighting/shooting? This stuff was a problem back in early Arnold days.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 11, 2014 20:40:00 GMT -5
Like many others, my problem is more with up-close-and-shaky cam that seems to permeate the blockbuster now a day. You spend all this time and effort to choreograph a scene, then spend half if it up close and cutting away constantly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 21:41:45 GMT -5
You were saying...? (Spoilers for The Raid 2, since...it's near the end and all)
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Post by JDviant on Jul 11, 2014 21:45:24 GMT -5
Your list of issues with modern action films are the EXACT same qualms people had with 80s and 90s action films, except the CGI has gotten better. Bad dialogue? Cannon fodder bad guys? Style over substance? Heroes implausibly good at fighting/shooting? This stuff was a problem back in early Arnold days. CG may have gotten better, but often it seems effects have gotten worse. If you re-filmed almost any action scene from the 80's heyday of practical effects with modern cg I'm almost certain I'd prefer the original.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 11, 2014 21:45:39 GMT -5
You were saying...? (Spoilers for The Raid 2, since...it's near the end and all) Need to see... no watch clip... one day my pretty.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jul 11, 2014 21:46:02 GMT -5
just finished watching BOTH the raid movies {Spoiler}..... first one is a darn sight better than the second, mostly in the story, the second one is a bit of a mess really, but the action sequences are damn good ..... could have tightened up the car chase though, stupid shotgun man was an IDIOT!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 21:51:28 GMT -5
Just saw Dredd earlier today so I disagree. Also the new Captain America movie has some of the best action sequences I have ever seen.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jul 11, 2014 21:54:03 GMT -5
Shakey came is the one thing that pisses me the f*** right off, in most action movies today. Preach it, brother.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 22:05:00 GMT -5
Your list of issues with modern action films are the EXACT same qualms people had with 80s and 90s action films, except the CGI has gotten better. Bad dialogue? Cannon fodder bad guys? Style over substance? Heroes implausibly good at fighting/shooting? This stuff was a problem back in early Arnold days. CG may have gotten better, but often it seems effects have gotten worse. If you re-filmed almost any action scene from the 80's heyday of practical effects with modern cg I'm almost certain I'd prefer the original. For sure - i'll take practical effects any day over CGI any ol' day of the f***in week. Also, to add to the Raid2 clip: Eric Bana's one-shot fight scene from hanna Action is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better now if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 22:09:30 GMT -5
Obligatory Oldboy hallway scene mention. Oldboy is grand design in mystery/action film making.
The remake never happened, mention that you enjoyed the remake more than the original and I will find you and furrow my brow before shaking my head and telling you how distraught I am by your statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 0:46:24 GMT -5
Haywire had my favorite movie fight scenes ever. Gina Carano isn't an amazing actress, but she's a kick ass action star nonetheless. Her vs Fassbender in the hotel was incredible.
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Post by Cela on Jul 12, 2014 1:17:12 GMT -5
I really hope the innovators of shakey cam are blacklisted soon.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 12, 2014 4:05:43 GMT -5
Just watched the new Transformers movie and I've realised, action scenes and sequences in modern movies are utter awful. It got me thinking about the latest movies I've seen such as The Hobbit, Pacific Rim, and Amazing Spider-man 2 and they all seem to have the same problems. A focus on style over substance. They go on for too long. Have too much happening at once. overreliance on fake looking CGI "Cool" moments that come across as goofy like someone doing a ridiculous flip and slashing with a sword or firing a gun from the hip whilst sliding and managing to hit every target. Bad dialogue during them. And, worst of all for me, the fact there seems to be a modern trend of basically turning the films villains footsoldiers into nothing but walking cannon fodder for the heroes to demolish without barely breaking a sweat whilst doing "cool" clichéd moves. Why should I care about the action sequence if I don't feel like the hero is in any actual danger?Man, you've got to hate Steven Segal movies, or Commando.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jul 12, 2014 4:23:00 GMT -5
Pretty much a lot of Modern action films would be far less shitty if they just got rid of that f***ing shaky cam bullshit.
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