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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Aug 22, 2014 5:31:29 GMT -5
Why WWE (and I don't know about others) use the term "medical facility" instead of hospital. Are they not allowed to say so and so is away to the hospital?? For all we know, the medical facility is a bunker under Titan Tower where wrestlers go and are put in regeneration pods haha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 8:31:30 GMT -5
Why WWE (and I don't know about others) use the term "medical facility" instead of hospital. Are they not allowed to say so and so is away to the hospital?? For all we know, the medical facility is a bunker under Titan Tower where wrestlers go and are put in regeneration pods haha. The medical facility is an enclosed space in the locker room with flickering florescent bulbs where a guy lays on a stretcher surrounded by members of the ring crew dressed like paramedics. It's where they took Elizabeth when the Megapowers broke up.
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Post by Flash Burton on Aug 22, 2014 8:38:18 GMT -5
That some keep running 4-45 times in an Irish whip. I think I remember Scott Hall taking the Mick out of this on one Nitro, he was whipped outside & just carried on running through the snow
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Aug 22, 2014 9:15:48 GMT -5
Why does ANYONE use a headlock? It's never beaten anyone, it never does any good, and usually you either get picked up and dropped, or elbowed in the stomach a bunch of times for your trouble.Why isn't there any time limits on matches? The vast majority of every other sport has some sort of time limit. If you're a big strong wrestler, going up against a much smaller wrestler, why not just pick them up and smash them against the turnbuckles a few dozen times? There's no rule against it, and it would hurt just as bad as getting clobbered by some foreign object (which seem to knock guys completely unconscious after just one or two hits). Sure, it's tiring, but I'll bet a guy like Brock Lesnar could smash a guy like Rey Mysterio against the turnbuckle quite a few times before getting tired. Why don't the "good guys" use the "bad guys" own dirty tricks against them? Get your own gang of 15 guys and beat them up as they are coming to the ring. Bash them in the head with objects. Grab the rope to cause more damage during a hold. Really, wrestling should be over flowing with heelish behavior. Why do fans turn against good heroic wrestlers after a while? If the evil wrestlers were doing similar horrible things to THEM, the fans wouldn't be rooting them on. Why can the Undertaker do his classic sit up after 600+ pounds of Yokozuna leg drops him, but he's out for the count if 300 pounds of Hulk Hogan leg drops him? I can think of a few times a headlock did some good, Mike Quackenbush pinned Sal Rinarou with a head lock once, CM Punk used it to nearly beat Joe, Danielson used it to stall Mcguinness bringing their 2/3 falls match to a draw. Basically It's most useful when you're a champion and are just trying to run out the clock.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 22, 2014 11:33:59 GMT -5
Why wrestlers climb cages so slowly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 12:59:03 GMT -5
Why isn't there any time limits on matches? The vast majority of every other sport has some sort of time limit. Is this a WWE thing nowadays? I know how they've intentionally abandoned some traditional wrestling things (like the ref doing five counts against the ropes, etc). The vast majority of wrestling I watch has time limits for the matches (and thus sometimes time limit draws happen).
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Post by lookout on Aug 23, 2014 16:22:14 GMT -5
The Irish Whip is an odd one. Can't someone just stop themselves at the ropes instead of turning and bouncing off them?? Is it an attempt by a wrestler to counter their opponent's attack (which I have seen, i.e. Triple H's knee buster)? Also, breaking up pinfalls. The referee seems to stop the count as soon as another wrestler makes contact with the one trying to score the win but the wrestler could still be covering their opponent. Does any contact break a pin attempt up or does a wrestler have to be physically removed from the pinned opponent? Does anyone have a suggestion? Maybe I should tweet this to WWE? I would say to give the poor lad who has to deal with the social media a mental meltdown, but I think Alberto may have done enough damage this week :\ On the irish whip, i've always thought that you could explain by saying that it's like a rule that you HAVE to go into the ropes if an opponent sends you into it. For example, if someone refuses to run when someone uses the irish whip and does such as you say, they get fined or won't get future opportunaties. Sort of like rules in football. A person could just tackle a wide receiver right out of the gate but instead the rule is you have to run along side the receiver. As for the pinfal, yeah I've always gotten annoyed by that too. Again I suppose you could have it as a rule that the ref must stop the count...although logically it makes no sense as to why. Even worse though is when someone kicks out but kicking out simply consists of a big twitch and not actually getting your shoulders up. It doesn't happen too often but it does happen.
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Post by lookout on Aug 23, 2014 16:26:35 GMT -5
By the way, my biggest is the rules of cage matches. Why on earth a person can win just by simply walking out of the cage has got to be the dumbest rules in wrestling yet it's been used for years and years. There are about a thousand times a match someone can just walk out and no amount of suspension of disbelief is able to over come that glaring fact. I heard once you can argue that they hate the other so bad they want to keep beating on each other so that's why they don't do it the 500 times they have a chance but when there is a major title or something on the line, it makes NO sense for someone not to just spring toward the door asap.
I saw an old nwa ppv where if a person is PUSHED out the door to the floor (or is taken over the top and touches the floor), then he LOSES instead. That made MUCH more sense and was much more realistic. Why that is not the rule of cage matches, or just have it as pins or submissions, instead of the glaring idiocy they have now, is beyond belief.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 23, 2014 16:29:15 GMT -5
Why isn't there any time limits on matches? The vast majority of every other sport has some sort of time limit. Is this a WWE thing nowadays? I know how they've intentionally abandoned some traditional wrestling things (like the ref doing five counts against the ropes, etc). The vast majority of wrestling I watch has time limits for the matches (and thus sometimes time limit draws happen). the ref still does the five count when someone makes it to the ropes in the WWE. The WWE doesn't normally mention time limits though so they don't really ever come into play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 18:08:55 GMT -5
By the way, my biggest is the rules of cage matches. Why on earth a person can win just by simply walking out of the cage has got to be the dumbest rules in wrestling yet it's been used for years and years. There are about a thousand times a match someone can just walk out and no amount of suspension of disbelief is able to over come that glaring fact. I heard once you can argue that they hate the other so bad they want to keep beating on each other so that's why they don't do it the 500 times they have a chance but when there is a major title or something on the line, it makes NO sense for someone not to just spring toward the door asap. I saw an old nwa ppv where if a person is PUSHED out the door to the floor (or is taken over the top and touches the floor), then he LOSES instead. That made MUCH more sense and was much more realistic. Why that is not the rule of cage matches, or just have it as pins or submissions, instead of the glaring idiocy they have now, is beyond belief. Cage matches have all but lost their meaning now, and they really took a lot of damage in the 90's when guys were coming out with remote controls to raise the cage or bolt cutters to cut the chain off the door. The original premise of the cage match was to keep the participants locked in together and everyone else out. It was supposed to be the violent finale of a feud, but they damaged that premise when they changed the stipulation from pinfall-only to escape-only. It makes no sense to put two guys who hate each other in a cage and finish the feud by being the first to escape from the other.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 22:21:48 GMT -5
Is this a WWE thing nowadays? I know how they've intentionally abandoned some traditional wrestling things (like the ref doing five counts against the ropes, etc). The vast majority of wrestling I watch has time limits for the matches (and thus sometimes time limit draws happen). the ref still does the five count when someone makes it to the ropes in the WWE. The WWE doesn't normally mention time limits though so they don't really ever come into play. It may have been not warning anyone about closed fists anymore. I definitely recall reading something about how they don't want refs doing all of the things they historically have.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 24, 2014 8:22:57 GMT -5
Why tag ropes suddenly disappeared?
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Aug 26, 2014 1:29:31 GMT -5
Why, if it's so effective, does Swagger/Angle/Shamrock not clamp down on the ankle lock immediately instead of giving the opponent the opportunity to roll out?
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 26, 2014 18:04:08 GMT -5
Why wrestlers climb cages so slowly. To make sure they don't get tripped up on the chain links?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 27, 2014 12:47:15 GMT -5
I remember being like 7 and my brother put me in the Boston crab. It felt good. Like a good stretch. I remember pondering this fact for a year or two wondering what secret wrestling technique we missed that made it hurt other wrestlers so much. A friend once put me in it and I was afraid he was going to break my f***ing spine Yeah, applied correctly, things like the crab are legitimately excruciating. Hell, most "old school" sub moves are. An asshole using the figure four 100% properly can snap your leg if they want to. And even the iron claw - joke that it has become - can be seriously unpleasant if applied correctly by the right person (had a 6 1/2 foot friend with incredible hand/arm strength test this one me once. By the time he released it, I was bleeding from where his fingers had dug into my head and could feel the pain hours later).
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 27, 2014 12:50:58 GMT -5
Why does ANYONE use a headlock? It's never beaten anyone, it never does any good, and usually you either get picked up and dropped, or elbowed in the stomach a bunch of times for your trouble. My interpretation of the headlock is that when used in its correct context, it's a good weardown move. You can hook someone in something very simple and make them wear themselves out trying to get out of it. When animals get caught in traps, they have been known to gnaw off parts of their own body or even die from fighting so hard to escape. The problem is that everything is so taken for granted now that no one bothers to sell things like weardown holds or provide a proper context, so they just seem like a submission hold that never works. Headlocks have sometimes been (correctly) presented in a way that sort of trumpets their true nature - they're rest holds. The "reason" for them isn't so much so everyone in the match can take a breather or even wear down the opponent, it's so that the guy on offense can get his own wind back while keeping his opponent contained with minimum effort.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Aug 28, 2014 12:27:03 GMT -5
A friend once put me in it and I was afraid he was going to break my f***ing spine Yeah, applied correctly, things like the crab are legitimately excruciating. Hell, most "old school" sub moves are. An asshole using the figure four 100% properly can snap your leg if they want to. And even the iron claw - joke that it has become - can be seriously unpleasant if applied correctly by the right person (had a 6 1/2 foot friend with incredible hand/arm strength test this one me once. By the time he released it, I was bleeding from where his fingers had dug into my head and could feel the pain hours later). You beat him in the rematch though, right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 13:10:21 GMT -5
The Irish Whip is an odd one. Can't someone just stop themselves at the ropes instead of turning and bouncing off them?? Is it an attempt by a wrestler to counter their opponent's attack (which I have seen, i.e. Triple H's knee buster)? Also, breaking up pinfalls. The referee seems to stop the count as soon as another wrestler makes contact with the one trying to score the win but the wrestler could still be covering their opponent. Does any contact break a pin attempt up or does a wrestler have to be physically removed from the pinned opponent? Does anyone have a suggestion? Maybe I should tweet this to WWE? I would say to give the poor lad who has to deal with the social media a mental meltdown, but I think Alberto may have done enough damage this week :\ On the irish whip, i've always thought that you could explain by saying that it's like a rule that you HAVE to go into the ropes if an opponent sends you into it. For example, if someone refuses to run when someone uses the irish whip and does such as you say, they get fined or won't get future opportunaties. Sort of like rules in football. A person could just tackle a wide receiver right out of the gate but instead the rule is you have to run along side the receiver. Nah I don't see it that way, because if you use that theory it makes no sense once they're outside of the ring. You can't give a guy shit because he didn't run into a guard rail outside. I see the irish whip as more of a gamesmanship thing, like a test of strength. It's a rock paper scissors game where once the whip is initiated it's now a matter of who makes the better of the situation. So really just because a guy initiates the irish whip doesn't mean he's in control, it creates a big make or break opportunity for either side because with all that momentum someone's gonna get hit hard. Then, in the context of turnbuckle whips I just think that it's strategically wiser to run into the corner and back against it because A) if you run to the corner fast enough you might be able to create some distance between you and the attacker that when your back hits the corner you can counter and B) Expends less time and energy than it would require to come to a complete stop, turn yourself around and get yourself in a favorable position to defend yourself. I also accept the "holy shit I can't stop" psychology as long as it's in short distances (usually power whips into corners or stairs). I HATE when guys whip their opponent like half a ring's length away into an obstacle. Always looks stupid. [Top rope attacker's thought process.] "Well I was gonna go for an elbow drop, but now that the guy's stuck his foot in the air I think I'm really gonna show him by headbutting his foot."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 13:19:41 GMT -5
On the irish whip, i've always thought that you could explain by saying that it's like a rule that you HAVE to go into the ropes if an opponent sends you into it. For example, if someone refuses to run when someone uses the irish whip and does such as you say, they get fined or won't get future opportunaties. Sort of like rules in football. A person could just tackle a wide receiver right out of the gate but instead the rule is you have to run along side the receiver. Nah I don't see it that way, because if you use that theory it makes no sense once they're outside of the ring. You can't give a guy shit because he didn't run into a guard rail outside. I see the irish whip as more of a gamesmanship thing, like a test of strength. It's a rock paper scissors game where once the whip is initiated it's now a matter of who makes the better of the situation. So really just because a guy initiates the irish whip doesn't mean he's in control, it creates a big make or break opportunity for either side because with all that momentum someone's gonna get hit hard. Then, in the context of turnbuckle whips I just think that it's strategically wiser to run into the corner and back against it because A) if you run to the corner fast enough you might be able to create some distance between you and the attacker that when your back hits the corner you can counter and B) Expends less time and energy than it would require to come to a complete stop, turn yourself around and get yourself in a favorable position to defend yourself. I also accept the "holy shit I can't stop" psychology as long as it's in short distances (usually power whips into corners or stairs). I HATE when guys whip their opponent like half a ring's length away into an obstacle. Always looks stupid. [Top rope attacker's thought process.] "Well I was gonna go for an elbow drop, but now that the guy's stuck his foot in the air I think I'm really gonna show him by headbutting his foot." That's probably the most logical explanation of an Irish whip that they've ever heard. To amplify on your criticism of the Irish whip used stupidly, it's also really silly looking when they whip the guy toward the ring steps, but instead of leaping over them to avoid the collision, they get down really low and tackle the steps with their shoulder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 13:24:48 GMT -5
Nah I don't see it that way, because if you use that theory it makes no sense once they're outside of the ring. You can't give a guy shit because he didn't run into a guard rail outside. I see the irish whip as more of a gamesmanship thing, like a test of strength. It's a rock paper scissors game where once the whip is initiated it's now a matter of who makes the better of the situation. So really just because a guy initiates the irish whip doesn't mean he's in control, it creates a big make or break opportunity for either side because with all that momentum someone's gonna get hit hard. Then, in the context of turnbuckle whips I just think that it's strategically wiser to run into the corner and back against it because A) if you run to the corner fast enough you might be able to create some distance between you and the attacker that when your back hits the corner you can counter and B) Expends less time and energy than it would require to come to a complete stop, turn yourself around and get yourself in a favorable position to defend yourself. I also accept the "holy shit I can't stop" psychology as long as it's in short distances (usually power whips into corners or stairs). I HATE when guys whip their opponent like half a ring's length away into an obstacle. Always looks stupid. [Top rope attacker's thought process.] "Well I was gonna go for an elbow drop, but now that the guy's stuck his foot in the air I think I'm really gonna show him by headbutting his foot." That's probably the most logical explanation of an Irish whip that they've ever heard. To amplify on your criticism of the Irish whip used stupidly, it's also really silly looking when they whip the guy toward the ring steps, but instead of leaping over them to avoid the collision, they get down really low and tackle the steps with their shoulder. Even that I can sort of accept but I admittedly have to bend my suspension of disbelief for it. If it's done at a point in the match where a guy is broken down enough he might not have the stamina, or just not enough footing (considering the irish whip will carry some force] to successfully leap over it. If you fail to jump it and trip all over yourself it could be arguably more disastrous than if you just hunker down and take it.
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