X-3 thread (major spoilers)

[Doomrider]

doubleddudley said:

I don't hate the movie.
I hated the first two, but I don't hate this one. I simply just don't care about, because it's such bland, shallow entertainment.
I don't need another X-Men movie ever again.

As for Gambit, apparently the role was offered to LOST boy toy, Josh Holloway, who decided against it because he felt the role was too similar to his LOST part. It wasn't offered to anyone else, and was only meant to be included as a cameo for Holloway, which is why there is no Gambit in X3.
Thank God.

What didn't you like about the second one? I agree the first was pretty bad. I usually treat these films like the typical summer blockbuster of a loose story with enough scenes of fighting/explosions to utter a Beavis and Butthead giggle out of me, which the 2nd one was perfect for. Best fight scenes of the series in my opinion.

[Deus Ex Machina]

senorsplash said:

doubleddudley said:

I don't hate the movie.
I hated the first two, but I don't hate this one. I simply just don't care about, because it's such bland, shallow entertainment.
I don't need another X-Men movie ever again.

As for Gambit, apparently the role was offered to LOST boy toy, Josh Holloway, who decided against it because he felt the role was too similar to his LOST part. It wasn't offered to anyone else, and was only meant to be included as a cameo for Holloway, which is why there is no Gambit in X3.
Thank God.

What didn't you like about the second one? I agree the first was pretty bad. I usually treat these films like the typical summer blockbuster of a loose story with enough scenes of fighting/explosions to utter a Beavis and Butthead giggle out of me, which the 2nd one was perfect for. Best fight scenes of the series in my opinion.

How much time have you got?

It was an incoherent mess aimed at kids while wearing adult clothing, and like the first one it had these build ups toward good stuff that was quickly and abruptly let down.

Wolverine stares at a lake for hours, days, weeks, months? Yet as soon as he is told there is a secret hideout he can find it? Why wasn't his hyper sensitive sense of smell not working before?

Two missiles get sent after the X-Plane (I forget what it's called) and Storm creates A MILLION FREAKIN' TORNADOS to take them out. Not only is that just bad fargin' luck for whoever lived on the ground, it didn't even work. You are useless, Arec Barwin Halle Berry.

The scene where the X-Men have freed Magneto and he and Mystique are huddled in the back of the plane making fun of Pyro went a long way to destroying Magneto's character. He didn't come off as a master manipulator, a selfproclaimed saviour or a majestic, all powerful villain. He came off as a schoolyard bully.

I haven't seen it since it was in the cinema, but there's alot more. I just remember thinking it was as awful as the first one.

[tonyexile]

ddwdragon said:

small rant here

apparently I'm the only fan of the comic and cartoon series that didn't hate this movie.

No man, as I said earlier, I liked it. I thought it pretty good. Shoot, I kinda like how it didn't represent some of the true themes in the comics because it's showing me something I didn't already know.

I'm definitely looking forward to the Wolverine spinoff, as well as the fourth film.

Someone also told me they were thinking about doing a Magneto spinoff...anyone else hear about this?

[The Line]

I love both the comics and the movies. My favorite part of the movie is when Kelsey Grammar goes apeshit on everyone. Plus, I did like the end scene (before the credits) where Magneto is in the park at the chess table. I actually felt for him, and then he moved the chess piece. Also the scene after the credits was super cool, and was even cooler because only about 1/4 of a completley full theatre that could probalby see close to 150-200 saw it.

[Rorschach]

doubleddudley said:

senorsplash said:

What didn't you like about the second one? I agree the first was pretty bad. I usually treat these films like the typical summer blockbuster of a loose story with enough scenes of fighting/explosions to utter a Beavis and Butthead giggle out of me, which the 2nd one was perfect for. Best fight scenes of the series in my opinion.

How much time have you got?

It was an incoherent mess aimed at kids while wearing adult clothing, and like the first one it had these build ups toward good stuff that was quickly and abruptly let down.

Wolverine stares at a lake for hours, days, weeks, months? Yet as soon as he is told there is a secret hideout he can find it? Why wasn't his hyper sensitive sense of smell not working before?

Two missiles get sent after the X-Plane (I forget what it's called) and Storm creates A MILLION FREAKIN' TORNADOS to take them out. Not only is that just bad fargin' luck for whoever lived on the ground, it didn't even work. You are useless, Arec Barwin Halle Berry.

The scene where the X-Men have freed Magneto and he and Mystique are huddled in the back of the plane making fun of Pyro went a long way to destroying Magneto's character. He didn't come off as a master manipulator, a selfproclaimed saviour or a majestic, all powerful villain. He came off as a schoolyard bully.

I haven't seen it since it was in the cinema, but there's alot more. I just remember thinking it was as awful as the first one.

See....you're even more extreme than I am when it comes to this series. I liked the first one, LOVED the second one, but this third one just left me feeling like I'd been slapped in the face.

And to whomever it was that said, "If you go in expecting the comic, you're a moron.".......YOU sir, with that statement, have proven yourself to be amongst the biggest morons on the board.

Why, oh WHY, would I go in to a movie named XMEN expecting things and characters to be as they were in a comic book? Someone slap this guy with the Book o' Knowledge. PLEASE.


Maybe because, assclown, XMEN was a COMIC BOOK? These characters weren't invented FOR THIS FILM ONLY. Had they been, I'd have no gripes.

Would you have said the same thing had Cristopher Nolan moved BATMAN BEGINS' setting from Gotham City to, say, Omaha, Nebraska? And had Batman speak with a southern drawl?

Just because these characters are being adapted for the big screen, doesn't mean that gives FOX or Brett Ratner the right to just change things willy-nilly. They have the ability to, yes. But like I said, it doesn't mean they should.

This just shows how little FOX and Ratner care about the series' core fans. Nevermind that there WOULDN'T BE an X3 without us loyal geeks making the first two such MONSTER smashes.

And I never said I hated it. I said I was dissapointed with it. Big difference. I actually liked some of the swerves they threw in there, and the action WAS nicely done. But to me, this was the BATMAN AND ROBIN of the XMEN series.

[Deus Ex Machina]

tonyexile said:

ddwdragon said:

small rant here

apparently I'm the only fan of the comic and cartoon series that didn't hate this movie.

No man, as I said earlier, I liked it. I thought it pretty good. Shoot, I kinda like how it didn't represent some of the true themes in the comics because it's showing me something I didn't already know.

I'm definitely looking forward to the Wolverine spinoff, as well as the fourth film.

Someone also told me they were thinking about doing a Magneto spinoff...anyone else hear about this?

The Magneto flick is on IMDB and Ian McKellen is attached.
I'm pretty confused as to why they would make such a movie, but there you go.

[Deus Ex Machina]

karnage70 said:

doubleddudley said:

How much time have you got?

It was an incoherent mess aimed at kids while wearing adult clothing, and like the first one it had these build ups toward good stuff that was quickly and abruptly let down.

Wolverine stares at a lake for hours, days, weeks, months? Yet as soon as he is told there is a secret hideout he can find it? Why wasn't his hyper sensitive sense of smell not working before?

Two missiles get sent after the X-Plane (I forget what it's called) and Storm creates A MILLION FREAKIN' TORNADOS to take them out. Not only is that just bad fargin' luck for whoever lived on the ground, it didn't even work. You are useless, Arec Barwin Halle Berry.

The scene where the X-Men have freed Magneto and he and Mystique are huddled in the back of the plane making fun of Pyro went a long way to destroying Magneto's character. He didn't come off as a master manipulator, a selfproclaimed saviour or a majestic, all powerful villain. He came off as a schoolyard bully.

I haven't seen it since it was in the cinema, but there's alot more. I just remember thinking it was as awful as the first one.

See....you're even more extreme than I am when it comes to this series. I liked the first one, LOVED the second one, but this third one just left me feeling like I'd been slapped in the face.

And to whomever it was that said, "If you go in expecting the comic, you're a moron.".......YOU sir, with that statement, have proven yourself to be amongst the biggest morons on the board.

Why, oh WHY, would I go in to a movie named XMEN expecting things and characters to be as they were in a comic book? Someone slap this guy with the Book o' Knowledge. PLEASE.


Maybe because, assclown, XMEN was a COMIC BOOK? These characters weren't invented FOR THIS FILM ONLY. Had they been, I'd have no gripes.

Would you have said the same thing had Cristopher Nolan moved BATMAN BEGINS' setting from Gotham City to, say, Omaha, Nebraska? And had Batman speak with a southern drawl?

Just because these characters are being adapted for the big screen, doesn't mean that gives FOX or Brett Ratner the right to just change things willy-nilly. They have the ability to, yes. But like I said, it doesn't mean they should.

This just shows how little FOX and Ratner care about the series' core fans. Nevermind that there WOULDN'T BE an X3 without us loyal geeks making the first two such MONSTER smashes.

And I never said I hated it. I said I was dissapointed with it. Big difference. I actually liked some of the swerves they threw in there, and the action WAS nicely done. But to me, this was the BATMAN AND ROBIN of the XMEN series.

Don't call other posters names, please.

The sad reality is this: the movie studios DON'T care about the core comic book fans, because essentially that fan base is so small that there is no real money to be gained.
So they do what they always do and make market analysis and test screenings to make the most bland, lowest common denominator product possible to reach the largest amount of people.

Besides, these days the product doesn't actually matter. It's all about brand names and promotion. Make enough hype and the movie will be a hit, no matter how bad or bland it is.

[Michael Coello]

A lot of people say that no mention of Nightcrawler is made. It may be true, but it's cause something happens Nightcrawler in the official X3 video game. When you play that,you're suppost to find out what happened to Mr. Kurt.

[Koda, Master Crunchyroller]

The main thing I hated about this movie was the raping of the love angles! Dark Phoenix is Scott and Jean love!

The love triangle was originally Bobby, Rouge, and Gambit, not Bobby, Roug, and Kitty.

Kitty loved Colossus.......

[Deus Ex Machina]

sinister1 said:

A lot of people say that no mention of Nightcrawler is made. It may be true, but it's cause something happens Nightcrawler in the official X3 video game. When you play that,you're suppost to find out what happened to Mr. Kurt.

For someone like me who's outgrown videogames, it makes for a bit of an uneven and unsatisfying movie, though.

[Michael Coello]

doubleddudley said:

sinister1 said:

A lot of people say that no mention of Nightcrawler is made. It may be true, but it's cause something happens Nightcrawler in the official X3 video game. When you play that,you're suppost to find out what happened to Mr. Kurt.

For someone like me who's outgrown videogames, it makes for a bit of an uneven and unsatisfying movie, though.

Yeah. They should have put it in the movie. Why end it there if you can't explain what happens to everyone?

[Deus Ex Machina]

sinister1 said:

doubleddudley said:

For someone like me who's outgrown videogames, it makes for a bit of an uneven and unsatisfying movie, though.

Yeah. They should have put it in the movie. Why end it there if you can't explain what happens to everyone?

They didn't actually want to pay Alan Cummings?

[Michael Coello]

doubleddudley said:

sinister1 said:

Yeah. They should have put it in the movie. Why end it there if you can't explain what happens to everyone?

They didn't actually want to pay Alan Cummings?

I was alos talking in general. This is suppost to be the last X-men movie, and they have so many plot holes/screw up storylines/etc. that it cannot be left alone.

I hate Hollywood sometimes.

[Deus Ex Machina]

sinister1 said:

doubleddudley said:

They didn't actually want to pay Alan Cummings?

I was alos talking in general. This is suppost to be the last X-men movie, and they have so many plot holes/screw up storylines/etc. that it cannot be left alone.

I hate Hollywood sometimes.

I hate Hollywood all the time.

Then they go and make something like Batman Begins, and for a fleeting moment, I fall in love with them all over again. But they always let me down again.

[Dynamic Dee]

I liked the comics and the movie itself was decent. I thought the first one was ok and the 2nd one is one of my favorite comic movies. Singer was better at doing these films but that didn't stop me at enjoying this one. Frasier as Beast was great and Dark Phoenix was well done. I feel that more should have been done with Colossus and Nightcrawler was missed. The action scenes were very well done.

I'm a big fan of the comics and but didn't mind if things were changed for the movie. Some things will not work as well in a movie setting. I see the movie versions of the characters as just a different take on what has been established in the books to appeal to a wider audience. Thats not a bad thing as long as they keep the characters interesting. Marvel does this with their own comics as they have an Ultimate universe which basically is a totally different take on their established characters and creates a new continuity. The X-men characters in the movies resemble a little of the "Ultimized" version characters as well as the classic versions.

[Rorschach]

sinister1 said:

A lot of people say that no mention of Nightcrawler is made. It may be true, but it's cause something happens Nightcrawler in the official X3 video game. When you play that,you're suppost to find out what happened to Mr. Kurt.

I shouldn't have to shell out an extra $49.95 to find out what happens to a character. Period. That, my friend, is a shameless attempt to get the consumer to buy a game that sucks anyways. Meh....guess I'll just stick to XMEN LEGENDS 2 on that front.



And Deus.....I believe I was insulted first. Hence, my response. I know that it doesn't make what I did right, but just for the record.


And you know what? I keep hearing that the movies take place in an "alternate dimension" like the Ultimates. You know, I really can't recall seeing WHERE in the flicks that was ever implied, mentioned, or outright stated. Hence my assumption that they take place in regular continuity.


Hence my outrage over the bold-as-brass nose-thumbing at the comic fans with things like Colossus' accent, and the whole Phoenix thing.

Sorry to be so picky, but hell, can you imagine what X2 would have been with Ratner at the helm? Nightcrawler may have had a frickin Jersey accent!

It's little things like these that pull you right out of a movie like this.

I'm enjoying the debate though.....

['Foretold' Joker]

Well I just saw this film at the cinema ... and overall I enjoyed it. I went in expecting 2 hours of action and entertainment (the heart of what all supehero comics are about) and got it.

I'll get to my opinions in a minute but first I have to address this...

No Nightcrawler. Any director who takes on a comic book adaptation has a tough job. You have to please the comic fans as well as casual viewers. Nightcrawler was arguably the character that both types of fan were pleased with. Alan Cumming nailed the part in X2, so why did they not bring him back

Because he refused the role as he didn't want to be typecast. I have read this in a fairly recent issue of Empire Magazine. The director asked Alan Cummings and he said no ... end of story.

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I thought the film was well put together and kept the pace going at a rapid rate.

Iceman was nicely put together and I thought the the full-ice mode was well done.

Juggernaut - I had my doubts about this, as I mark hugely for Juggernaut. But overall I felt that Vinnie Jones did a good job with his role. The fact that he is a mutant isn't actually ever told to us ... and it could easily be rectified in a later movie that he got his power thanks to a mystical ruby found in korea, if need be.

In fact all the character were well put together considering there were so many. Sure they lacked a deep background but in a film like this it would take up far too much time. Sure Bataman begins was good, but that's because batman is the main character and the heart of the story. In x-men 3, do you really want to sit there and have every single character's backstory explained? ... Beast's serum story, Storm's thief background, Callisto's morlock background, Juggernauts Charles stepbrother and went to war in korea, ran away found a ruby or even Leech's story etc .... No, it's far easier to just have them turn up with there powers and let them get on with the mainstory.

Phoenix ruled, I enjoyed it and thought it was great. So they killed off Cyclops, well the guy playing him wasn't the best actor anyway, and frankly there wasn't much more they do with him (Plus he had said this was going to be his last x-men film anyway) ... and anyway how would cyclops have dealt with Phoenix's powers at the end of the movie? he would have disintergrated with everyone else had he stayed.

Angel: Can't blame them too much. Forsters acting is awful. The pose he does when we fully see his wings the first time is ridiculous and the effects on those wings looks bad.

In comparison to what exactly? ... He's the equivalent of an angel and thats what he looked like swooping majestically over the city. the fact he didn't get to do much is a slight niggle, but really in a fight against people who can do sonic waves, fireballs, shoot spikes, not be stopped and control metal, what exactly is a bloke with feathered wings going to do? .. do tell?

The guy's name is Piotor Nikoletivich Rasputin....

Ah Colossus ... and in the film his name is Peter, plus he spoke with an american accent in x-men 2, therfore he isn't russian. In the world of movies things like this get changed all the time, and to the base audience of any film (the general public, not comic book aficionados) accent really does not matter. I thought he had a good role.

According to the comics, Callisto is the PALE, HOMELY, JEALOUS leader of the sewer-dwelling Morlocks.

Lets see ... how long would it take to establish to a film audience that Callsito is leader of the Morlocks (now you have to explain who Morlocks are). Too much time in a film that's only supposed to be a couple of hours. It makes sense to cut down the role as it is highly doubtful the Morlocks will be used in the film series anyway.

Magneto was pure brilliance in this film and a joy to behold, as was the brief showing by Multiple Man (come back if there's a fourth film!) Wolverine was on top form as in the previous movies. Storm was good, and did her job well. Beast was great, loved his fight scenes. Kitty Pride had a nice role and liked what she did. I aslo though Spike's fight with wolverine was very cool too. Only thing that bothered me was Arlight? (the sonic boom guy) why not just get in Avalanche?

Oh and in the IMDB list it says Kid Omega (I think storm welcomes him back tot he school at the end) who is a completely different charcater to Omega Red.


Overall if your looking for a good entertaining two hours of mutant versus humanity action go see this film. However if your looking for an in depth analysis of the comic book history of the x-men, stick with the comics.

[grapejellydoesit]

doubleddudley said:

sinister1 said:

A lot of people say that no mention of Nightcrawler is made. It may be true, but it's cause something happens Nightcrawler in the official X3 video game. When you play that,you're suppost to find out what happened to Mr. Kurt.

For someone like me who's outgrown videogames, it makes for a bit of an uneven and unsatisfying movie, though.

My thoughts exactly. One shouldn't have to rely on a video game to know what happened. Comic fans have a clue but the average viewer doesn't. It would have been nice if they could have torn themselves away from Wolverine's and Storm's shadowing of the movie and explained it in the storyline somewhere.

[polexia]

i think there is allot that should have been included but it felt as if the writers or who ever wa sin charge said "screw the fans! i'm going to write what i want to write then we can caouse a shit load of hype about characters who have a 3 second cameo!"

althogh i have to admit the asin guy with the spike power totally pwns (good call on that one)

[The Lord of Secrets]

a couple things

polexia- the asian guy with the spikes is named quill although i don't think they actually mentioned his name at all.

and for those complaining about nightcrawler i mentioned it already in my post but i guess most of you got mad i had an opinion and missed it.
i will however be nice and repeat it here

nightcrawlers absence was explained in the game but for those that don't want to pay 50 bucks to get it, he leaves the x-men due to his personal demons, he believes his teleporting is actually taking him through hell and cant stand it as it is against his religious beliefs