EvilMasterBetty, Esq.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on May 27, 2006 21:59:13 GMT -5
a lot of people already said how i felt.
Sir Ian, Stewart, Jackman were all fantastic. Actually I'm glad that Rattner didn't actually try to direct them and just let them go it seemed.
As for said Rattner, he totally skullluved this movie. I mean, there were plenty of things that could have been done with this movie. There were plenty of great plots and sub-plots that could have been developed more, but Rattner was probably too worried as to what extra he was going to bang. Sad, cause I'm sure there are plenty of film students who could have done a much better job with this.
I was never a fan of Cyclops, but even I left the movie going "Damn he got screwed over" There were infinately better things they could have done to encorporate him into the movie and still have him killed off.
Finally, they should have learned after the Matrix game - DON'T ADD EXTRA STUFF TO MOVIE GAMES! Gamers, as a rule, avoid movie games. They generally suck worse than the average Rattner flick. So if you add critical parts of the plot to the games, like say explaining why Nightcrawler isn't there, 90% of the movie audience will have no clue what is going on.
This movie could have been much, much better if not for the afformentioned terrible director and the inability for Fox to find a suitable replacement. I don't buy the "rushed" part. Its been 3 years since X2 (I know, i went to see it with my prom date senior year). They had time. They just mismanaged this whole thing.
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polexia
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Post by polexia on May 27, 2006 22:38:10 GMT -5
a couple things polexia- the asian guy with the spikes is named quill although i don't think they actually mentioned his name at all. and for those complaining about nightcrawler i mentioned it already in my post but i guess most of you got mad i had an opinion and missed it. i will however be nice and repeat it here nightcrawlers absence was explained in the game but for those that don't want to pay 50 bucks to get it, he leaves the x-men due to his personal demons, he believes his teleporting is actually taking him through hell and cant stand it as it is against his religious beliefs *runs over to check imdb.com for someone named Quill int he credits* wrong : Ken Leung .... Kid Omega (he has a pic on his imdb profile so i know it's THE asian guy) ouch! the writers should have stuck with 'Quill'
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Post by The Lord of Secrets on May 28, 2006 7:51:32 GMT -5
so either imdb or the movie has decided to make me wrong oh well in the comics its quill so im still gonna call him that gonna wait till after the movie comes out on dvd to see if its still that in the credits
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Post by THE Dinobot on May 28, 2006 8:18:28 GMT -5
As soon it was over, I turned to my friend I saw it with and asked him, 'was that written by Vince Russo'? And he replied, 'Probably, it was dumb enough'.
Thank God, Sir Ian McKellen, Stewart, Jackman, Grammer, James Marsden (for all 15 seconds) and Arron Stanfrod were nice enough to appear in this disasterpiece.
But, aside from all the crap this movie had, it was decent...I guess. I don't care about comic book continity when I'm watching it, because it isn't a comic book, it's a movie.
I saw it with a pretty good (or dumb) crowd. They cheered when Beast stabbed Mags with the needles, cried...I mean, GROWN MEN cried when Prox X died....sad, and so forth.
But does anyone have an answer as to way Bobby Drake was macking on a girl who was like, 13? That kinda made me want to walk out right then. At first I thought it might have been like a friendship/younger sister thing....how wrong I was.
Oh, and normally, I'm a fan of Ben Foster, but this role wasn't made for him at all.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on May 28, 2006 10:07:09 GMT -5
Why is everyone in awe of Jackman? To me it's like he did "Van Helsing" and thought "Hey, I can get away with not really acting and just being me. It's so much easier!" and went that route. But I dunno. Maybe that unconvincing, contrary hardman rutine was Ratner's idea?
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Post by DSR on May 28, 2006 11:02:09 GMT -5
I'd like to point out that they never did specify Kitty Pryde's age (and if I'm not mistaken, they didn't give Iceman's age either), and the actress playing Kitty is 19. I didn't really have a problem with it.
I also understand that a movie based on a comic book is not the same as the comic book (or the universe it takes place in). I don't mind changes to the characters if there's a good story. But we didn't get a good story, we got a bunch of stuff happening for no reason, then a bunch of action scenes that are lifeless because of the stuff that happened for no reason.
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Post by Deus Ex Machina on May 28, 2006 11:13:19 GMT -5
I'd like to point out that they never did specify Kitty Pryde's age (and if I'm not mistaken, they didn't give Iceman's age either), and the actress playing Kitty is 19. I didn't really have a problem with it. I also understand that a movie based on a comic book is not the same as the comic book (or the universe it takes place in). I don't mind changes to the characters if there's a good story. But we didn't get a good story, we got a bunch of stuff happening for no reason, then a bunch of action scenes that are lifeless because of the stuff that happened for no reason. Can't help but agree. A talented director would have emphasised on the movie's slogan "The time has come to choose sides" and made all the characters interesting and nuanced enough that you, the audience would want to choose a side, not just be with the X-Men because "they're the good guys". But the characters were shallow and rushed and Ratner seems more interested in the next thing that blows up than involving us in the actual story.
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Sinestro
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Post by Sinestro on May 28, 2006 12:20:55 GMT -5
I liked the movie. I even liked the way they wrote Cyclops out, but that's more my personal hatred of the character shinning through. I understand why it bugs people cause that's how I feel about Kurt. But the actor playing Cyclops wanted to follow Singer to Superman, and this is how the production company punished him so to speak. Petty? Yes. But not Ratner's fault. I have to say that it seems to me the faults of the movie were more the rushed shooting of it, and the amount of stuff they wanted to put into it more than Ratner's failings as a director. Though he definitely had a part in it.
Now I noticed that Joker said they could go back and say that Juggy wasn't a mutant and he got the crystal like in the comic book if they do another movie. Problem is that Leech's power were stated to effect mutants. And they effected Jugs. So they'd end up needing to retcon that too. Too much retcon is a problem in comics, and I see no need to add it to the movie.
Speaking of Jugs, I hated that I'm Juggernaut.... line. Stupid, and unfunny is what I found it. But that could be me being sick of it before I even heard it in the movie.
Anyway sure all three movies had issues with the way they compared to the comics. (Hell my favorite, NightCrawler, wasn't quite the same as he was in comics.) But I've always seen any movie based off something else as that particular directors interpretation of the source material. And that's a good thing. I mean do you when going into a movie want to know exactly what's going to happen next? I don't that'd be pretty frickin boring. (Though it wasn't for Sin City, since I read those comics after the movie, at least IMO.)
Sure sometimes the differences bugged me - Spidey's organic shooters is a big one but that was more a miss oppurtunity for storytelling - , but you got to let it slide, or your not going to enjoy the movie regardless. And then it'll just turn in to you spending 8 bucks to get a two hour reason to complain for days.
Just my honest opinion.
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Post by Rorschach on May 28, 2006 13:44:41 GMT -5
Excellent opinion, Dave. I guess, for me, it was more like Deus said earlier. The galling thought of what COULD have been done with this flick, and what WAS done to it.
I know that every adaptation doesn't follow the source material strictly, but the fact is, with stuff like XMEN, SPIDER-MAN, ect. you kind of have to. I mean, the core audience, your core fans DO make more than a tiny, insignificant part of your audience, and you need to make them feel like they're getting THE original characters, not some hack director/company's take on the characters.
I said it before. If you're going to not care about certain aspects of the story, why care at all? Why not just luving have Storm be Phoenix? That's about as bad as having Wolverine take Cyclops' place.
And for those that read the original DARK PHOENIX, you know how Scott was the only one who could stop Jean, and it was more to do with their psionic bond than Scott being indestructible.
But whatever. The folks who don't know these characters won't know any better, so I guess no harm no foul there.
And Joker, check IMDB again. They do list Omega Red, and Psylocke as being in the flick.
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Tehboobz wants Ewa Sonnett
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She's busty...she's Polish...and she will be mine!
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Post by Tehboobz wants Ewa Sonnett on May 28, 2006 14:07:33 GMT -5
I marked out for Rebecca Rmjin's boobs. She'd look hawt with another twenty pounds on her.
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Post by Chris Decker-The Wild Rover on May 28, 2006 14:23:29 GMT -5
wasn't corp cajun lash learoeux susposed to be gambit at one point, or was the unfounded rumor?
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Post by Rorschach on May 28, 2006 14:42:30 GMT -5
That was wayyy back before X1 but yeah. I remember hearing that too.
I'm sure Ratner would've cast him in a heartbeat.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on May 28, 2006 15:48:22 GMT -5
I heard they originally wanted Danzig to play Wolverine.
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Post by Rorschach on May 28, 2006 16:24:02 GMT -5
Yeah, I read that in WIZARD back in the day....
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Post by DSR on May 28, 2006 21:57:03 GMT -5
I heard they originally wanted Danzig to play Wolverine. That was way back in, like, 1994.
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Post by Rorschach on May 28, 2006 21:58:56 GMT -5
How different would the series have been HAD he been cast?
*SHUDDERS*
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Post by DSR on May 28, 2006 22:03:46 GMT -5
By the way, Arclight was actually played by a model, believe it or not. Her name is Omahyra Mota (look her up). I would like to point out that the makeup job made Omahyra appropriately unattractive enough to play the actual Callisto. All she would've needed was an eyepatch.
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Post by DSR on May 28, 2006 22:05:05 GMT -5
How different would the series have been HAD he been cast? *SHUDDERS* Danzig as Wolverine, and Jessica Simpson as Dazzler in X-MEN: THE MUSICAL!!!!!! Oh gawd, I probably shouldn't give Ratner any ideas.
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Post by Rorschach on May 28, 2006 22:07:31 GMT -5
No, No you shouldn't.
Had Rogue not already been cast, I'm sure he would have given Simpson a call.
The wanker.
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EvilMasterBetty, Esq.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on May 28, 2006 22:26:12 GMT -5
for those who care about such things, X3 had the fourth biggest opening weekend in history, biggest memorial day weekend ever, and was just short of beating Star Wars: Episode 3 for biggest single day in history.
For what this movie was, it way overachieved. I guess people like mindless violence over Memorial Day.
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