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Post by DSR on May 28, 2006 22:36:18 GMT -5
I'm only speaking for myself here, but for some reason, I hoped Ratner would give us something OTHER than mindless violence. How wrong I was. Please, no sequel.
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Klutch
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Post by Klutch on May 28, 2006 22:55:43 GMT -5
The main thing that upset me was no Gambit. Remy Lebeau should have at least had a cameo in the movie.
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Post by Rorschach on May 28, 2006 23:02:08 GMT -5
Stevie: No RATNER sequel.
Over Educated: See my earlier post on this. I even wrote Gambit into a scene for Ratner. Sooooo easy, yet so difficult for Mr. "I-bang-supermodels".
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Post by DSR on May 28, 2006 23:28:38 GMT -5
Stevie: No RATNER sequel. Over Educated: See my earlier post on this. I even wrote Gambit into a scene for Ratner. Sooooo easy, yet so difficult for Mr. "I-bang-supermodels". A Gambit cameo may have been cool (I'm a Gambit fan), but it wouldn't save the movie. I'm glad they had a cameo by Phat from X-Statix (the fat dude who got skinny when he sat down), but the movie still sucked. I'd rather have a good STORY over a bunch of cameos that don't add much of anything. And I stand by my statement of NO sequel. I love the X-Men, but this is the "Wolverine/Storm" franchise, and EVERYONE else falls by the wayside. I'd rather wait ten years and get a franchise relaunch than watch them dig themselves deeper trying to fix the problems from Ratner's hunk of junk.
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iamchris
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Post by iamchris on May 28, 2006 23:31:18 GMT -5
I guess I dont see what everyones in a fuss about. It was a good movie. It had action, explosions, mutant powers, mutants in general. Movies aren't made for the hardcore fans. They are made to appeal to a general audience. If every character every person wanted covered in detail were to be covered, the movie would be 10 hours long. They took the characters we were used to in the other films, and left them in the forefront, then added others as supporting characters. SUPPORTING.
I also want to know where people who read comic books get off insulting other peoples writing abilities. Comic books aren't exactly known for their pullitzer stature writing. (Not that Im knocking comic books, I respect them.) You didn't get what you want, but you got a good movie, got to see some characters you like (Though, I too am livid about no Gambit.) and the theater was air conditioned.
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Post by Rorschach on May 28, 2006 23:31:31 GMT -5
^True, Stevie. Maybe, when I'm old and grey, there will be a new director, or maybe Bryan Singer will come back, and we can get "XMEN BEGIN" or somesuch.
iamchris: No, I did not get a good movie. I got a mediocre, nay, INSULTING effort from a guy who has publicly stated he could give two craps less about the comics. This is why I am worked up.
And the writing on this hunk of junk makes Garth Ennis look like frickin' Poe by comparison.
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iamchris
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Post by iamchris on May 28, 2006 23:35:58 GMT -5
What did you want? Write me the movie, please.
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Post by Rorschach on May 28, 2006 23:41:14 GMT -5
I know I could do a better job than the three hacks that came up with this. I'm telling you, they even had a BLUEPRINT right there! I'd cut them a little slack if this was their "original concept", but to this up as bad as they did, WITH the comics as a go by, is just plain sloppy, crappy screenwriting.
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Post by DSR on May 28, 2006 23:43:53 GMT -5
I guess I dont see what everyones in a fuss about. It was a good movie. It had action, explosions, mutant powers, mutants in general. Movies aren't made for the hardcore fans. They are made to appeal to a general audience. If every character every person wanted covered in detail were to be covered, the movie would be 10 hours long. They took the characters we were used to in the other films, and left them in the forefront, then added others as supporting characters. SUPPORTING. I also want to know where people who read comic books get off insulting other peoples writing abilities. Comic books aren't exactly known for their pullitzer stature writing. (Not that Im knocking comic books, I respect them.) You didn't get what you want, but you got a good movie, got to see some characters you like (Though, I too am livid about no Gambit.) and the theater was air conditioned. I've pretty much responded to your first half. As for the part about comic fans dissing writers, it's a matter of opinion. Yeah, comic books aren't known for winning Pulitzer's, but that doesn't mean it never happens (look at Maus, for instance). The idea that a Comic Book Movie should just be spandex + explosions completely disregards what comic books as a medium of art are capable of. I understand that Hollywood movies are more about profit than art, but there is such a thing as a middle ground. When you dumb down something to make it what you think a comic book is supposed to be like, you get Batman and Robin.
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Post by Sinestro on May 28, 2006 23:49:18 GMT -5
I still stick by my assertation that most of the problems with this movie weren't Ratner's fault. But instead the rushed schedule. They lose the guy who lovingly crafted these movies, find another guy a few weeks later, lose that guy, and then say we need to get this movie done for Memorial Day, grab the first guy that comes by.
Enter Ratner. Who though he's no Spielberg... hell he's not even a Raimi, has had his moments. Red Dragon was a darn fine movie.. no Silence but still entertaining. I think it all boils down to the producers had such a hard-on for the Memorial Day weekend, they grabbed a director who wasn't equipped for this movie.
But heck they got Jon Favreau, directing Iron Man. So I don't see this trend going away. (Though in Favreau's defense he supposedly is a huge Iron Man fan, I just don't think a big action flick his his forte'. Though he'll have practice on John Carter of Mars.)
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Post by Rorschach on May 29, 2006 0:30:40 GMT -5
The rush job didn't help.....but neither did the fact that Ratner was too busy chasing after the make-up assistant to Rebecca Romjin to pick up the DARK PHOENIX TPB.
His lack of caring for the source material shone right through on this one.
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Post by Smarky on May 29, 2006 1:07:06 GMT -5
I think that's what you call irony.
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Post by chibidiablo on May 29, 2006 5:09:52 GMT -5
O.k I avoided this thread until I'd saw it but here goes: If you like this movie, there is something about the X-men that you hate and it is delicious to you when genuine fans of the series are agitated. We can argue about how it was rushed and how Ratner was the wrong guy until we're blue in the face, and we probably will, but the biggest slap in the face of all was the fact they teased us with things they knew we craved and then spat in our faces. Beast, one of the original X-men, missed from the first two. Finally we get him for this one and he is totally under utilised. They bring in probably the best actor they could get for the role, a guy we can buy and get behind 100% and just throw away the opportunity. Next the Angel debacle. This is what hurt me most. He's my X-man. He's the guy I got into the thing for. Arguably one of the most interesting characters of the series, one of the guys a lot of the early promotion for this film was built around and they give him two scenes. He has a scene where he doesn't like wings, and then a where he wants them and can't live without them. Then they play with my emotions and make the guy stand at the back looking on when the X-men make their plans making me think he's going to don the spandex and help them out and all he does is fly in and save Pops. Totally wasted opportunity. I could go longer but my phone is ringing and I don't want to waste any more mental energy on this. I feel raped.
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Post by chibidiablo on May 29, 2006 5:33:59 GMT -5
Also why didn't Magneto drop the bridge on the island and go home for his dinner?
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Post by Grendel on May 29, 2006 13:29:24 GMT -5
I saw the movie, and most of the points that made the movie good and bad have been covered here. There is just one thing I want to ask you all (I may have missed it, it may have been covered earlier). The shot of Magneto at the end of the fim with the chess pieces. My friend swears that right before the movie ends, you see one of the chess pieces move, something that showed that Magneto was getting his power back.
If that's the case, could it be that the supposed mutant cure is only temporary?
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on May 29, 2006 13:38:04 GMT -5
I saw the movie, and most of the points that made the movie good and bad have been covered here. There is just one thing I want to ask you all (I may have missed it, it may have been covered earlier). The shot of Magneto at the end of the fim with the chess pieces. My friend swears that right before the movie ends, you see one of the chess pieces move, something that showed that Magneto was getting his power back. If that's the case, could it be that the supposed mutant cure is only temporary? Pretty much. If you think about it, the "cure" was supposed to undue the X mutation. However, it could be assumed that any new cells that are formed would contain the X mutation since it is imbedded in your genes/DNA. Therefore, the "cure" only works long enough until your body weeds out the cure. My biggest problem with the movie was that it just seemed like there were opportunities to make a great movie here, but Rattner doesn't have the skill to bring all the pieces together to make the story complete.
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Post by Rorschach on May 29, 2006 16:40:13 GMT -5
^Exactly. What could have been GREAT in the hands of someone who cared, was reduced to sub-mediocrity in the hands of a rat out to make a buck and bang some extras. YOU, Brett Ratner!
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Post by rrm15 on May 29, 2006 16:45:43 GMT -5
I saw the movie and was dissapointed as well. Angel was a huge waste, so was Beast. I wouldn't say it was terrible, though. It was just ok when it should have been amazing.
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Post by Rorschach on May 29, 2006 16:56:51 GMT -5
"It was just ok when it should have been amazing." is pretty much how a LOT of us are feeling right now. I'll give you another scene they could have added, with Angel this time, to bridge the gap between his with his wings stage, and his stage. All they had to show was a quick cut of a high school age Angel, who is miserably hiding his wings, sulking towards school. All of a sudden you hear a shout "Look out! She's gonna fall!" Angel frantically looks up to see a female groundsworker about to fall off a third story parapet. As we see a shot of the woman teetering, then losing her balance, we cut back to Angel, who, looking for help but seeing no one capable, throws off his oversized duster, and with one flap of his mighty wings, swoops in and saves her. Thus, he gains a new appreciation of his gift, and the reaction he gives later makes sense. If Ratner wouldn't have been so lazy, he could have come up with something similar that would have made the flick more coherent.
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Post by rrm15 on May 29, 2006 17:07:23 GMT -5
"It was just ok when it should have been amazing." is pretty much how a LOT of us are feeling right now. I'll give you another scene they could have added, with Angel this time, to bridge the gap between his with his wings stage, and his stage. All they had to show was a quick cut of a high school age Angel, who is miserably hiding his wings, sulking towards school. All of a sudden you hear a shout "Look out! She's gonna fall!" Angel frantically looks up to see a female groundsworker about to fall off a third story parapet. As we see a shot of the woman teetering, then losing her balance, we cut back to Angel, who, looking for help but seeing no one capable, throws off his oversized duster, and with one flap of his mighty wings, swoops in and saves her. Thus, he gains a new appreciation of his gift, and the reaction he gives later makes sense. If Ratner wouldn't have been so lazy, he could have come up with something similar that would have made the flick more coherent. I'm thinking the DVD will have something like this. I expect a LOT of deleted scenes that will make the movie a whole lot better. At least, I hope.
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