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Post by Andy Martin on Oct 6, 2014 23:40:05 GMT -5
The gimmick is the first time I've found Sandow entertaining so I'll certainly appreciate it while it lasts.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 6, 2014 23:43:16 GMT -5
They are similar talent-wise but I think Sandow probably has more potential as a Top guy(even if Vince is not seeing it). And that's the sad thing. Sandow is perfect for the mid-card, and would be exposed if he moved up the card. He's one of the last people, along with Miz, to work the mid-2000s WWE style that drove so many people away to TNA and ROH. Cena was the same way, but upped his game incredibly. Sandow works in smaller doses, there is no shame at all with being in the IC/US scene, making hundreds of thousands of dollars on the biggest stage doing what you love. Pretty good point there. First let me say you are bright guy, not a lot of people sees these variations of types of wrestling. But I sort of thought about this and I think his natural heel work and the fact he wouldn't be respected in the ring would sort of work to his advantage and make him an heat magnet.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 6, 2014 23:58:23 GMT -5
Sandow is perfect for the mid-card, and would be exposed if he moved up the card. He's one of the last people, along with Miz, to work the mid-2000s WWE style that drove so many people away to TNA and ROH. Cena was the same way, but upped his game incredibly. Sandow works in smaller doses, there is no shame at all with being in the IC/US scene, making hundreds of thousands of dollars on the biggest stage doing what you love. Pretty good point there. First let me say you are bright guy, not a lot of people sees these variations of types of wrestling. But I sort of thought about this and I think his natural heel work and the fact he wouldn't be respected in the ring would sort of work to his advantage and make him an heat magnet. There's a fine line between wrestling in a less exciting way to get heat (Randall Keith Orton is the prime example), and just not being able to have that spark. Sandow looks amazing when paired with a Cena or Bryan, but who knows how he'll look against a Reigns and has to, pardon the pun, take the reigns.
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Post by berlynwright on Oct 7, 2014 0:04:03 GMT -5
I appreciate. The guy seems to make the best out of whatever is given to him. That's exactly why he's over with the livelier crowds. They respect how hard he commits to all the shit this stubborn company throws at him and makes the most of it. He doesn't have to be a world champ, but he certainly should be doing more than mimicking the Miz ringside and eating pinfalls like they're Milk Duds. any shit stubborn company throws at him? man, i don't like wwe's decisions at times as much as anyone, Sandow has never been this over at any point of his career. Mizdow gimmick was the best thing happened for him after the defeat to Cena
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 7, 2014 0:10:35 GMT -5
That's exactly why he's over with the livelier crowds. They respect how hard he commits to all the shit this stubborn company throws at him and makes the most of it. He doesn't have to be a world champ, but he certainly should be doing more than mimicking the Miz ringside and eating pinfalls like they're Milk Duds. any shit stubborn company throws at him? man, i don't like wwe's decisions at times as much as anyone, Sandow has never been this over at any point of his career. Mizdow gimmick was the best thing happened for him after the defeat to Cena The problem was that he WAS getting over on his own, but the real end of the brand split and emphasis on the same 8 people in interchangeable feuds killed any chance he had with that character. They have like 7 hours of main roster programming every week, not including "Special Events" and have 8 feuds to show for it. And the majority of those feuds can be summed up in 2 weeks with the way they are laid out. I know it's the smark stereotype to blame Creative/Vince/Bucky the Beaver, but how can anyone get a reaction if they aren't given a damn thing to work with?
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 7, 2014 0:16:34 GMT -5
Sorry to double post, but this caught my eye. Sandow's offense looks a lot better than Miz's, he works pretty similar to Trips back in his Hunter Hearst Helmsley days. He's also showed some nice cowardly heel chops the way he would roll out of the ring, get thrown in and keep rolling out the other side, stuff like that. I think he's substantially better than Miz in the ring, and as the Intellectual Savior of the Unwashed Masses he showed a lot talent as a talker. It makes total sense that Sandow wrestles similarly to early HHH, they were both trained by Killer Kowalski after all. The thing is that HHH modernized his in-ring abilities 10 fold by the time he was being pushed, while Sandow is stuck in 2nd gear permanently. Psychology is key, but you need some flash to go with the substance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 0:37:48 GMT -5
He's really fun to watch in this role. I didn't notice him jump off the stairs, but I did see him dive down on the floor to mimic the pin. Love the attention to detail.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Oct 7, 2014 5:12:56 GMT -5
Meh. It's pretty amateur comedy. By WWE standards, it's Shakespeare. But it's still pretty lame. He's not *that* good at it. It feels like he took one Improv 101 workshop and then walked onto WWE TV.
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 7, 2014 5:20:24 GMT -5
They are similar talent-wise but I think Sandow probably has more potential as a Top guy(even if Vince is not seeing it). And that's the sad thing. Sandow is perfect for the mid-card, and would be exposed if he moved up the card. He's one of the last people, along with Miz, to work the mid-2000s WWE style that drove so many people away to TNA and ROH. Cena was the same way, but upped his game incredibly. Sandow works in smaller doses, there is no shame at all with being in the IC/US scene, making hundreds of thousands of dollars on the biggest stage doing what you love. By "so many" you mean all 20 of them?
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 7, 2014 5:47:35 GMT -5
He's great. Just great in any role he's in. Sad thing is, he's playing second fiddle to a guy he's easily ten times more talented than by anything you wanna judge. I wouldn't say Sandow is "ten times better" than Miz. I'd rate them pretty much the same. I know your fandom's just gonna have you always put Miz over, but that just ain't right. Sandow's offence and selling are miles ahead of the Miz's, I'd say they're about equal on the mic, but Sandow's little mannerisms etc just put him over Miz on that front.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 6:06:34 GMT -5
I'd say Miz and Sandow are both pretty solid in the ring, just they need the right opponent to really click. Neither one ever seems lost or anything, though they clearly have their weaknesses - Sandow can be kind of slow and formulaic, Miz is often pretty sloppy with holds and such but is pretty underrated as a striker and especially for the fact that he's an excellent seller.
Character-wise... I dunno. Sandow's great at being over-the-top and injecting all kinds of little things into whatever he's doing, but whenever tasked with being more serious and aggressive, Miz has shhown himself to be better at finding something to do with it than Sandow. His run of turning into Jericho Lite while he was on the rise was largely pretty solid, but SRS Sandow was absolutely terrible.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Oct 7, 2014 6:08:40 GMT -5
He rules, I hope they give him a solo run with something like this gimmick in the flashy eccentric cocky guy with shades kind of thing. With a bit of that intellectual savior in there too.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 7, 2014 6:13:26 GMT -5
Hopefully the WWE takes notice of that reaction and we get Miz and Mizdow as tag champs.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 7, 2014 7:21:04 GMT -5
Sandow is perfect for the mid-card, and would be exposed if he moved up the card. He's one of the last people, along with Miz, to work the mid-2000s WWE style that drove so many people away to TNA and ROH. Cena was the same way, but upped his game incredibly. Sandow works in smaller doses, there is no shame at all with being in the IC/US scene, making hundreds of thousands of dollars on the biggest stage doing what you love. By "so many" you mean all 20 of them? It seems hilarious in hindsight, but from 2005 when they got onto Spike until the Main Event Mafia took control of the entire show in 2008, a lot of people saw TNA as a viable alternative to WWE. While TNA had its fair share of stupidity during this time, a lot of wrestling fans became disillusioned with Cena and Batista rising to the top without "proper" in-ring skills and "smark favorites" such as Jericho, Christian, and the entirety of the original ECW being either mishandled or gone from WWE. TNA had comparable ratings then as it did before it moved to Wednesdays last month, if I remember correctly. It had the X Division, women who could actually wrestle, and main eventers who didn't do the "same old shit". There was actually a time when TNA wasn't just a punchline, but that's now just a memory. And, while ROH is still just a niche promotion, it gets larger live attendance than any promotion worldwide save WWE and NJPW, is on national PPV, and brought a lot of the key players in both the present and future of wrestling to prominence.
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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 7, 2014 8:39:53 GMT -5
I maintain that Sandow, as the Intellectual Savior of the Masses, should have been in a role similar to Sheamus; hovering in the upper midcard and being moved into the main event on an as-needed basis, such as adding more bodies to a MitB or Elimination Chamber match. The gimmick was drawing great heat from the crowd and he still knows how to make the best of his position now.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 7, 2014 11:04:52 GMT -5
He rules, I hope they give him a solo run with something like this gimmick in the flashy eccentric cocky guy with shades kind of thing. With a bit of that intellectual savior in there too. So, a hipster gimmick.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 7, 2014 15:04:17 GMT -5
Pretty good point there. First let me say you are bright guy, not a lot of people sees these variations of types of wrestling. But I sort of thought about this and I think his natural heel work and the fact he wouldn't be respected in the ring would sort of work to his advantage and make him an heat magnet. There's a fine line between wrestling in a less exciting way to get heat (Randall Keith Orton is the prime example), and just not being able to have that spark. Sandow looks amazing when paired with a Cena or Bryan, but who knows how he'll look against a Reigns and has to, pardon the pun, take the reigns. The idea I always had with Sandow is that he could be like Hogan but in reverse. As Hogan was not the greatest worker but he did what he could do to draw people to the storyline in the ring and kept the interest going. That's how you would book Sandow as a main eventer but as heel and this is something I think he would be able to do, keep it simple, generate the biggest amount of heat and create a storyline in the ring with that. Doesn't have to have 5 stars matches. I really think it could work. He has the personality to pull it off, I think.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Oct 7, 2014 18:53:03 GMT -5
There's a fine line between wrestling in a less exciting way to get heat (Randall Keith Orton is the prime example), and just not being able to have that spark. Sandow looks amazing when paired with a Cena or Bryan, but who knows how he'll look against a Reigns and has to, pardon the pun, take the reigns. The idea I always had with Sandow is that he could be like Hogan but in reverse. As Hogan was not the greatest worker but he did what he could do to draw people to the storyline in the ring and kept the interest going. That's how you would book Sandow as a main eventer but as heel and this is something I think he would be able to do, keep it simple, generate the biggest amount of heat and create a storyline in the ring with that. Doesn't have to have 5 stars matches. I really think it could work. He has the personality to pull it off, I think. So, JBL?
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 8, 2014 6:25:26 GMT -5
Sandow's offense looks a lot better than Miz's, he works pretty similar to Trips back in his Hunter Hearst Helmsley days. He's also showed some nice cowardly heel chops the way he would roll out of the ring, get thrown in and keep rolling out the other side, stuff like that. I think he's substantially better than Miz in the ring, and as the Intellectual Savior of the Unwashed Masses he showed a lot talent as a talker. Besides that one match with Cena, generously, I can't remember one truly great match Sandow has had in his time on the roster, despite getting plenty of ring time. Miz had one of the worst face runs ever where he failed to deliver in the ring but as a heel, he has a respectable list of great matches. Sandow shouldn't main event. A 'Santino' role would probably be better for his longevity anyway.
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Post by Hypnosis on Oct 8, 2014 8:52:05 GMT -5
Mizdow selling his leg like The Miz last week was f***ing hilarious.
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