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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 4, 2015 23:41:01 GMT -5
The problem is that they've got two storylines that both involve Cap biting the big one. The question is which one they do it in? My money is still on Civil War. Cap bites it in Civil War, Thor in Ragnarok and Stark makes the ultimate sacrifice to allow the remaining heroes to regroup at the end of Infinity War Part 1. Nebula reverses what her daddy does all while bringing the big 3 back from the dead and an epic asskicking ensues in Part 2. That's just my theory though. I'm ok with Cap being taken out in either movie. I personally don't think anybody really important will die in Civil War, but I'd have no problem if it played out the way you suggest (though I wouldn't be surprised if Nebula's role in Thanos' undoing isn't switched to Gamora instead). I can see that happening too. If any other hero bites it in Civil War it'll be War Machine. Whoever dies needs to hit Stark hard. Here's another theory...in that rumored event that sets off the registration...what if Pepper gets killed setting Stark off?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 4, 2015 23:53:00 GMT -5
I personally don't think anybody really important will die in Civil War, but I'd have no problem if it played out the way you suggest (though I wouldn't be surprised if Nebula's role in Thanos' undoing isn't switched to Gamora instead). I can see that happening too. If any other hero bites it in Civil War it'll be War Machine. Whoever dies needs to hit Stark hard. Here's another theory...in that rumored event that sets off the registration...what if Pepper gets killed setting Stark off? As an on-screen character Pepper has pretty much run her course, and I don't think Gwyneth Paltrow's salary is worth paying to play a bit-part role, so I think that's very possible. As you say, something has to hit Stark hard, and Pepper is more expendable than Rhodey at this point.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 5, 2015 0:35:45 GMT -5
I can see that happening too. If any other hero bites it in Civil War it'll be War Machine. Whoever dies needs to hit Stark hard. Here's another theory...in that rumored event that sets off the registration...what if Pepper gets killed setting Stark off? As an on-screen character Pepper has pretty much run her course, and I don't think Gwyneth Paltrow's salary is worth paying to play a bit-part role, so I think that's very possible. As you say, something has to hit Stark hard, and Pepper is more expendable than Rhodey at this point. I'm wondering if that other confirmed death could play a part in Stark's mindset. {Spoiler}We know what Peggy Carter meant to Rogers...now it's time to see what she meant to Tony.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 5, 2015 0:51:45 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}We know what Peggy Carter meant to Rogers...now it's time to see what she meant to Tony. {Spoiler}They'll have to do a damn good job of rapidly establishing a relationship between Tony and Peggy if anybody is going to buy that, though. I can buy that maybe she was a part of his childhood given how close she was to his dad, but then again he may have just known her as one of his dad's work colleagues.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 5, 2015 0:53:15 GMT -5
Since we're talking character deaths, I figured we could look at it realistically. Sebastian Stan confirmed that he had more films in his contract than anyone else. I believe he's got 7 left after this one. Bucky's going nowhere. After him is Jeremy Renner, who still has 4 films on his contract after Civil War, so Hawkeye is safe. Paul Rudd as Ant-Man is brand new to the MCU, he's going nowhere. Falcon is a rather new addition, and audience response to Anthony Mackie has been overwhelmingly positive, and he adds racial diversity. They'll want to keep him around. Spider-Man and Black Panther have solo films announced for future dates, they're beyond safe. Vision is new, and also can't really die. I expect he sticks around. Chris Evans confirmed that he will be in both Infinity War films in an interview today, so I think he dies there rather than here. I think they'll want Tony Stark around for Infinity War, though you never know. With Downey getting less and less eager to participate in these films, Rhodey is a very valuable character as they may need to throw him in the red and gold armor for future Avengers films. I'd bet he's safe.
That leaves the character I truly believe is biting the bullet - Black Widow. Civil War is the last film in Scarlett Johansson's contract. They've got a new female Avenger in Scarlet Witch as well as Sharon Carter in Cap's universe. Her death would also deeply impact characters on both sides of the war, and could be the event that brings an end to the fighting. I really think that's the road we're headed down.
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Post by blackmegaman on Sept 5, 2015 2:04:49 GMT -5
Since we're talking character deaths, I figured we could look at it realistically. Sebastian Stan confirmed that he had more films in his contract than anyone else. I believe he's got 7 left after this one. Bucky's going nowhere. After him is Jeremy Renner, who still has 4 films on his contract after Civil War, so Hawkeye is safe. Paul Rudd as Ant-Man is brand new to the MCU, he's going nowhere. Falcon is a rather new addition, and audience response to Anthony Mackie has been overwhelmingly positive, and he adds racial diversity. They'll want to keep him around. Spider-Man and Black Panther have solo films announced for future dates, they're beyond safe. Vision is new, and also can't really die. I expect he sticks around. Chris Evans confirmed that he will be in both Infinity War films in an interview today, so I think he dies there rather than here. I think they'll want Tony Stark around for Infinity War, though you never know. With Downey getting less and less eager to participate in these films, Rhodey is a very valuable character as they may need to throw him in the red and gold armor for future Avengers films. I'd bet he's safe. That leaves the character I truly believe is biting the bullet - Black Widow. Civil War is the last film in Scarlett Johansson's contract. They've got a new female Avenger in Scarlet Witch as well as Sharon Carter in Cap's universe. Her death would also deeply impact characters on both sides of the war, and could be the event that brings an end to the fighting. I really think that's the road we're headed down. If that does happen then prepare for the absolute Sh#% Storm that will ensue.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 5, 2015 2:11:42 GMT -5
Since we're talking character deaths, I figured we could look at it realistically. Sebastian Stan confirmed that he had more films in his contract than anyone else. I believe he's got 7 left after this one. Bucky's going nowhere. After him is Jeremy Renner, who still has 4 films on his contract after Civil War, so Hawkeye is safe. Paul Rudd as Ant-Man is brand new to the MCU, he's going nowhere. Falcon is a rather new addition, and audience response to Anthony Mackie has been overwhelmingly positive, and he adds racial diversity. They'll want to keep him around. Spider-Man and Black Panther have solo films announced for future dates, they're beyond safe. Vision is new, and also can't really die. I expect he sticks around. Chris Evans confirmed that he will be in both Infinity War films in an interview today, so I think he dies there rather than here. I think they'll want Tony Stark around for Infinity War, though you never know. With Downey getting less and less eager to participate in these films, Rhodey is a very valuable character as they may need to throw him in the red and gold armor for future Avengers films. I'd bet he's safe. That leaves the character I truly believe is biting the bullet - Black Widow. Civil War is the last film in Scarlett Johansson's contract. They've got a new female Avenger in Scarlet Witch as well as Sharon Carter in Cap's universe. Her death would also deeply impact characters on both sides of the war, and could be the event that brings an end to the fighting. I really think that's the road we're headed down. If that does happen then prepare for the absolute Sh#% Storm that will ensue. Oh, I'm sure the extreme feminist brigade would be out in full force, completely ignoring logic and reason. The fact is, Widow has been a more heavily featured character in the Avenger-related films than Thor, Hulk, and Hawkeye. She's far from brushed aside. She's been given a tremendous amount of focus and depth, and would certainly get a heroes death scene and not be killed like some red shirt on Star Trek. Her death would also, like I said, hit the other characters harder than any other. It's a fantastic and reasonable place to take the story, and they shouldn't shy away from it because some internet bra burners want Widow running around like some Mary Sue while the men bumble around like dipshits at her feet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 2:42:29 GMT -5
Since we're talking character deaths, I figured we could look at it realistically. Sebastian Stan confirmed that he had more films in his contract than anyone else. I believe he's got 7 left after this one. Bucky's going nowhere. After him is Jeremy Renner, who still has 4 films on his contract after Civil War, so Hawkeye is safe. Paul Rudd as Ant-Man is brand new to the MCU, he's going nowhere. Falcon is a rather new addition, and audience response to Anthony Mackie has been overwhelmingly positive, and he adds racial diversity. They'll want to keep him around. Spider-Man and Black Panther have solo films announced for future dates, they're beyond safe. Vision is new, and also can't really die. I expect he sticks around. Chris Evans confirmed that he will be in both Infinity War films in an interview today, so I think he dies there rather than here. I think they'll want Tony Stark around for Infinity War, though you never know. With Downey getting less and less eager to participate in these films, Rhodey is a very valuable character as they may need to throw him in the red and gold armor for future Avengers films. I'd bet he's safe. That leaves the character I truly believe is biting the bullet - Black Widow. Civil War is the last film in Scarlett Johansson's contract. They've got a new female Avenger in Scarlet Witch as well as Sharon Carter in Cap's universe. Her death would also deeply impact characters on both sides of the war, and could be the event that brings an end to the fighting. I really think that's the road we're headed down. It also kind of makes sense since they established a romance between her and Banner. That's like the kiss of death to female superhero's and most female characters when they finally established a relationship.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 5, 2015 4:51:36 GMT -5
Since we're talking character deaths, I figured we could look at it realistically. Sebastian Stan confirmed that he had more films in his contract than anyone else. I believe he's got 7 left after this one. Bucky's going nowhere. After him is Jeremy Renner, who still has 4 films on his contract after Civil War, so Hawkeye is safe. Paul Rudd as Ant-Man is brand new to the MCU, he's going nowhere. Falcon is a rather new addition, and audience response to Anthony Mackie has been overwhelmingly positive, and he adds racial diversity. They'll want to keep him around. Spider-Man and Black Panther have solo films announced for future dates, they're beyond safe. Vision is new, and also can't really die. I expect he sticks around. Chris Evans confirmed that he will be in both Infinity War films in an interview today, so I think he dies there rather than here. I think they'll want Tony Stark around for Infinity War, though you never know. With Downey getting less and less eager to participate in these films, Rhodey is a very valuable character as they may need to throw him in the red and gold armor for future Avengers films. I'd bet he's safe. That leaves the character I truly believe is biting the bullet - Black Widow. Civil War is the last film in Scarlett Johansson's contract. They've got a new female Avenger in Scarlet Witch as well as Sharon Carter in Cap's universe. Her death would also deeply impact characters on both sides of the war, and could be the event that brings an end to the fighting. I really think that's the road we're headed down. It also kind of makes sense since they established a romance between her and Banner. That's like the kiss of death to female superhero's and most female characters when they finally established a relationship. With his propensity for tragic couples, their romance could be Whedon's parting gift.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Sept 5, 2015 5:30:26 GMT -5
That leaves the character I truly believe is biting the bullet - Black Widow. Civil War is the last film in Scarlett Johansson's contract. They've got a new female Avenger in Scarlet Witch as well as Sharon Carter in Cap's universe. Her death would also deeply impact characters on both sides of the war, and could be the event that brings an end to the fighting. I really think that's the road we're headed down. It also kind of makes sense since they established a romance between her and Banner. That's like the kiss of death to female superhero's and most female characters when they finally established a relationship. I like it...Black Widow is killed, no one to control The Hulk...gotta shoot his ass into space ASAP!
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 5, 2015 7:03:04 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}We know what Peggy Carter meant to Rogers...now it's time to see what she meant to Tony. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}They'll have to do a damn good job of rapidly establishing a relationship between Tony and Peggy if anybody is going to buy that, though. I can buy that maybe she was a part of his childhood given how close she was to his dad, but then again he may have just known her as one of his dad's work colleagues. {Spoiler}She was also close to Jarvis, so I don't think Tony would just know her as one of his dad's work colleagues. There's also the possibility (mainly a fan theory/hope) that Angie becomes a successful actress, makes Maria her stage name, and she's Tony's mother. So if that theory is correct, no way would Peggy just be a work colleague of Howard's to Tony.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 5, 2015 18:10:27 GMT -5
That leaves the character I truly believe is biting the bullet - Black Widow. Civil War is the last film in Scarlett Johansson's contract. They've got a new female Avenger in Scarlet Witch as well as Sharon Carter in Cap's universe. Her death would also deeply impact characters on both sides of the war, and could be the event that brings an end to the fighting. I really think that's the road we're headed down. It also kind of makes sense since they established a romance between her and Banner. That's like the kiss of death to female superhero's and most female characters when they finally established a relationship. I like it...Black Widow is killed, no one to control The Hulk...gotta shoot his ass into space ASAP! If nothing else, they can add Hope van Dyne as the Wasp to the Avengers down the line to replace Nat (since it's unlikely that Sharon will ever be an Avenger outside of being a part of Cap's team for Civil War).
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 5, 2015 18:26:50 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}They'll have to do a damn good job of rapidly establishing a relationship between Tony and Peggy if anybody is going to buy that, though. I can buy that maybe she was a part of his childhood given how close she was to his dad, but then again he may have just known her as one of his dad's work colleagues. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}She was also close to Jarvis, so I don't think Tony would just know her as one of his dad's work colleagues. There's also the possibility (mainly a fan theory/hope) that Angie becomes a successful actress, makes Maria her stage name, and she's Tony's mother. So if that theory is correct, no way would Peggy just be a work colleague of Howard's to Tony. {Spoiler}Could work. Still, thus far we've had no indication that Tony is even aware Peggy exists, much less being close enough to the point where her passing aged 90-something would affect him deeply enough to factor into his actions in the movie. This means devoting screen time to build up a relationship for a payoff that would be better achieved with a character like Pepper, who we've had three (and a bit) movies with.
Assuming the movie doesn't open with Peggy's funeral, her screen time will be better spent closing the story with her and Steve.
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Post by Some Guy on Sept 5, 2015 19:07:40 GMT -5
![](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149111/3417588-8060147065-capta.jpg) Yeah, much like Bane breaking Batman's back, this scene followed by Cap's death is iconic and has to happen. The problem is that they've got two storylines that both involve Cap biting the big one. The question is which one they do it in? My money is still on Civil War. Cap bites it in Civil War, Thor in Ragnarok and Stark makes the ultimate sacrifice to allow the remaining heroes to regroup at the end of Infinity War Part 1. Nebula reverses what her daddy does all while bringing the big 3 back from the dead and an epic asskicking ensues in Part 2. That's just my theory though. I'm ok with Cap being taken out in either movie. See, bringing all 3 back from the dead is a huge problem thematically because it makes basically everything a moot point. Not killing them off is fine, killing them off and bringing them back in a comic story is...okay sometimes I guess, but I struggle with that feasibility in a very connected set of movies.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 5, 2015 19:31:12 GMT -5
{Spoiler} Since we're talking character deaths, I figured we could look at it realistically. Sebastian Stan confirmed that he had more films in his contract than anyone else. I believe he's got 7 left after this one. Bucky's going nowhere. After him is Jeremy Renner, who still has 4 films on his contract after Civil War, so Hawkeye is safe. Paul Rudd as Ant-Man is brand new to the MCU, he's going nowhere. Falcon is a rather new addition, and audience response to Anthony Mackie has been overwhelmingly positive, and he adds racial diversity. They'll want to keep him around. Spider-Man and Black Panther have solo films announced for future dates, they're beyond safe. Vision is new, and also can't really die. I expect he sticks around. Chris Evans confirmed that he will be in both Infinity War films in an interview today, so I think he dies there rather than here. I think they'll want Tony Stark around for Infinity War, though you never know. With Downey getting less and less eager to participate in these films, Rhodey is a very valuable character as they may need to throw him in the red and gold armor for future Avengers films. I'd bet he's safe. That leaves the character I truly believe is biting the bullet - Black Widow. Civil War is the last film in Scarlett Johansson's contract. They've got a new female Avenger in Scarlet Witch as well as Sharon Carter in Cap's universe. Her death would also deeply impact characters on both sides of the war, and could be the event that brings an end to the fighting. I really think that's the road we're headed down. {Spoiler}As disappointing as it would be given the demand for Widow merchandise and how under-represented she was compared to the other Avengers, plot-wise that could work. That could work very well.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 5, 2015 21:04:28 GMT -5
The problem is that they've got two storylines that both involve Cap biting the big one. The question is which one they do it in? My money is still on Civil War. Cap bites it in Civil War, Thor in Ragnarok and Stark makes the ultimate sacrifice to allow the remaining heroes to regroup at the end of Infinity War Part 1. Nebula reverses what her daddy does all while bringing the big 3 back from the dead and an epic asskicking ensues in Part 2. That's just my theory though. I'm ok with Cap being taken out in either movie. See, bringing all 3 back from the dead is a huge problem thematically because it makes basically everything a moot point. Not killing them off is fine, killing them off and bringing them back in a comic story is...okay sometimes I guess, but I struggle with that feasibility in a very connected set of movies. I'm kind of against them offing all 3 to be honest. Bucky and Rhodey can basically take over for Rogers and Stark but we have no Beta Ray Bill to replace Thor. I think he may be last God standing come IW.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 5, 2015 21:17:56 GMT -5
Rumor on Spidey {Spoiler}Seems Tony creates his suit and tech I don't like that. If true they fall into the same trap as the two ASM did
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 5, 2015 21:26:15 GMT -5
I really hope they don't kill someone off just to bring them back. They do that in the Marvel movies constantly and its alittle tiring.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 5, 2015 21:36:45 GMT -5
I really hope they don't kill someone off just to bring them back. They do that in the Marvel movies constantly and its alittle tiring. Well that's basically what happened after Thanos butchered half of the Marvel Universe wasn't it?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 5, 2015 21:39:51 GMT -5
Rumor on Spidey Seems Tony creates his suit and tech I don't like that. If true they fall into the same trap as the two ASM did {Spoiler}I expect him to start in the Iron Spider duds before he switched sides and dons the classic Spidey outfit
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