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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 12, 2014 12:32:30 GMT -5
Reigns is awesome. Not Wrestlmania main event awesome, but he'll be there some day. It's never the guy himself, rather the wwe machine behind him that people hate. He'll be 2005 Cena in no time. The difference being people wanted Cena as WWE champion before they changed everything people liked about his character. There are plenty of guys people want to see as champ ahead of Roman |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 12, 2014 12:45:49 GMT -5
Reigns is not good enough in the ring to have the big-time classic match that main eventing Mania for the WWE title entails these days. This generation is filled with incredible in-ring performers, not just indy-riffic spot-monkeys (did I do that right?) but guys with tremendous selling ability and the charisma to garner strong fan support. Reigns is gonna fall flat, he's not the right guy for the times. Is that really fair to say though? How long has Roman even been wrestling, 3-4 years? The way people are talking, they make it seem like he's never gonna get any better. He's still pretty young, especially to be elevated to the main event level. He obviously has a great capacity to learn and adapt considering that he never looked out of place in a group with great workers like Rollins and Ambrose. He is going to have some of the most brilliant minds the business has ever seen giving him advice and doing whatever they can to make him look like a star. It is actually impossible that he won't be significantly better this time next year. On top of that, match quality really doesn't matter. Yes, I understand that the roster is filled with incredible workers from top to bottom but at the end of the day, the casual fan could not give a shit less about how many moves a guy can do. If they did, Cesaro would be the most over guy on the roster. Fans want something to believe in. That's it. Daniel Bryan didn't blow up because he had great matches, he blew up because people believed in him and wanted to rally behind him. Whether or not people want to admit it, the fans like Roman. They cheer for the guy, they obviously believe in him for the time being. Not every guy needs to be the one have a **** 1/4 match nor should every guy even try to. That's why Ryback comes off like any other goober on the roster now, they took away what made him different and are trying to force him to work the style most of the other guys are working. There's no reason why Roman can't get over as a goon that kills his opponent in fairly short matches. It's gonna take some careful booking, sure, but it absolutely can be done. He's young and will get better in time. You're right. So he should be pushed to the top if and when and ONLY if and when he gets better. I'm not a workrate snob either and I agree that not every guy needs to put on four star classics. But the difference between Ryback and Reigns is Ryback is a REAL big guy and shouldn't be expected to put on great matches. The most they expect from him is to not injure people. Reigns isn't a hoss. WWE just likes to pretend he is. He should be held to a higher standard. |
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Post by Juice on Dec 12, 2014 12:50:55 GMT -5
Reigns is awesome. Not Wrestlmania main event awesome, but he'll be there some day. It's never the guy himself, rather the wwe machine behind him that people hate. He'll be 2005 Cena in no time. The difference being people wanted Cena as WWE champion before they changed everything people liked about his character. There are plenty of guys people want to see as champ ahead of Roman I'll disagree here. It's not unanimous now with Reigns and it wasn't with Cena in 2005. The same crowd who were booing Cena as champ on raw never wanted him as champion. I was one of them. Yet there were many who did. Reigns has a following and until the Shield split up there were a million threads about how awesome he was and how Ambrose was disappointing... It's easy for opinions to change based on performances since then, but come on don't deny what's there. Reigns is over, people love his move set and he has been gone long anough that he's gonna get good pops. Once WWE pushes him like Cena however people will tire of him surely, others will say I told you so and yadda yadda yadda. The dudes awesome, not main event of mania awesome, but he will be one day. It's the WWE who are gonna make or break our opinions with booking. Personally I think it's terrible that Bryan's been out and hope that he can still recover by mania. HE should be champion imo. Bryan aside, I have a list of people that I don't want to be champion and Reigns isn't on that list. I could live with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 12:31:39 GMT -5
Reigns is not good enough in the ring to have the big-time classic match that main eventing Mania for the WWE title entails these days. This generation is filled with incredible in-ring performers, not just indy-riffic spot-monkeys (did I do that right?) but guys with tremendous selling ability and the charisma to garner strong fan support. Reigns is gonna fall flat, he's not the right guy for the times. Is that really fair to say though? How long has Roman even been wrestling, 3-4 years? The way people are talking, they make it seem like he's never gonna get any better. He's still pretty young, especially to be elevated to the main event level. He obviously has a great capacity to learn and adapt considering that he never looked out of place in a group with great workers like Rollins and Ambrose. He is going to have some of the most brilliant minds the business has ever seen giving him advice and doing whatever they can to make him look like a star. It is actually impossible that he won't be significantly better this time next year. On top of that, match quality really doesn't matter. Yes, I understand that the roster is filled with incredible workers from top to bottom but at the end of the day, the casual fan could not give a shit less about how many moves a guy can do. If they did, Cesaro would be the most over guy on the roster. Fans want something to believe in. That's it. Daniel Bryan didn't blow up because he had great matches, he blew up because people believed in him and wanted to rally behind him. Whether or not people want to admit it, the fans like Roman. They cheer for the guy, they obviously believe in him for the time being. Not every guy needs to be the one have a **** 1/4 match nor should every guy even try to. That's why Ryback comes off like any other goober on the roster now, they took away what made him different and are trying to force him to work the style most of the other guys are working. There's no reason why Roman can't get over as a goon that kills his opponent in fairly short matches. It's gonna take some careful booking, sure, but it absolutely can be done. I didn't mean to imply that Roman will never get there. I mean right now. And in the next year or two really. He's potential money down the line but trying to pull the trigger right now feels like a mistake. I do think quality work is of the utmost importance these days. More than ever. Not just on the ring but on the mix too. Everyone has different mixes of what they bring to the table but there has to be that thing you excel at that captivates fans. Right now Reigns' main thing he brings to the table is being handsome and 2 big moves. Its been enough in the past but the way the business and fan expectations have changed I'm not sure its still the case. Needs more steak with the sizzle and all that. |
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