What is the WORST Part of NXT?

[fw91]

I hope I'm wrong on this, but that the fan base is slowly but surely turning into the equivalent of ROH/INDY bots. Its a great product, but lets stop comparing it to the main show. there different entities

[Mozenrath]

For me, I think sometimes it's consistency. Like, I get that she's very new still, but we go such long periods without seeing Alexa Bliss, and some of the other talents will not see a lot of use for a long time. I guess that's the point, though, this is training camp.

[thelonewolf527]

Dec 18, 2014 22:48:43 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

Dec 18, 2014 21:30:18 GMT -5 thelonewolf527 said:

This is 100% what I've been saying for a while. The biggest problem I don't think is "burnout" but that there's a conflict of interest with these characters. Someone like Emma for example when she first showed up on NXT was just some weird dancing girl, but we didn't know why. Over time, you came to understand that she's just plain weird but that's the point. You got to see the formation of The Wyatt Family. Now when they get called up to Raw, you can't really start over from scratch because that already happened in a place that many people already see. On the other hand, many people also don't watch NXT and by not having the characters start from scratch, you're bringing them in fully developed to an audience who is confused because they didn't see any of the development.

Unless people go the Del Rio route and have a completely different gimmick when called up, most will continue to fail. Tyler Breeze I have no doubt will not be over whatsoever on the main roster and will go the way of Fandango. Simply because he'll be old news by the time he finally gets on Raw and the other half of the audience just won't get him.

Being fair, the bigger problem is less the "gimmicked" nature and more the fact that the NXT continuity gestates things that make it impossible to translate. The Wyatt Family and Rusev are gimmicks that are easy to translate, so they ended up just fine on the main roster- and people like Adam Rose (who had only had one NXT taping of gestation time before his debut vignettes started- so no one could know if it would have taken in NXT as a whole or not) or Xavier Woods (who had very little face time on NXT before his debut) had been natural failures for it.

As far as the BIG NXT stars who came up in full, you ended up with three big ones- Bo Dallas, Emma, and Paige. In each case, the things that made them so effective in NXT could not really translate to a non-NXT audience because the crowd was so important to that development (Bo Dallas was known as "he's a babyface, but the NXT crowd gave him X-Pac Heat and turned him heel- and Paige and Emma were always "yeah, she's a heel, but the crowd made her a babyface because they just love her so much".) Both of those things can NEVER translate to a different audience, no matter how hot or how hated they were, simply because any roster is a fresh start.

The Wyatt Family though was doing horribly for the first few months until the Bryan stuff started kicking in, and even then it really wasn't until the Rumble that most people stopped feeling like the feud was beneath Bryan. So it's not as if they had an easy start either.

And Rusev did not have this gimmick while on NXT, so he falls more in the category of Del Rio who had a completely different gimmick once debuting on the main roster.

Bo Dallas is a weird case. The guy was loved by the FCW audience and absolutely despised by the NXT audience. Not an easy choice on what's the best way to use him

[Reflecto]

Dec 19, 2014 0:00:17 GMT -5 thelonewolf527 said:

Dec 18, 2014 22:48:43 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

Being fair, the bigger problem is less the "gimmicked" nature and more the fact that the NXT continuity gestates things that make it impossible to translate. The Wyatt Family and Rusev are gimmicks that are easy to translate, so they ended up just fine on the main roster- and people like Adam Rose (who had only had one NXT taping of gestation time before his debut vignettes started- so no one could know if it would have taken in NXT as a whole or not) or Xavier Woods (who had very little face time on NXT before his debut) had been natural failures for it.

As far as the BIG NXT stars who came up in full, you ended up with three big ones- Bo Dallas, Emma, and Paige. In each case, the things that made them so effective in NXT could not really translate to a non-NXT audience because the crowd was so important to that development (Bo Dallas was known as "he's a babyface, but the NXT crowd gave him X-Pac Heat and turned him heel- and Paige and Emma were always "yeah, she's a heel, but the crowd made her a babyface because they just love her so much".) Both of those things can NEVER translate to a different audience, no matter how hot or how hated they were, simply because any roster is a fresh start.

The Wyatt Family though was doing horribly for the first few months until the Bryan stuff started kicking in, and even then it really wasn't until the Rumble that most people stopped feeling like the feud was beneath Bryan. So it's not as if they had an easy start either.

And Rusev did not have this gimmick while on NXT, so he falls more in the category of Del Rio who had a completely different gimmick once debuting on the main roster.

Bo Dallas is a weird case. The guy was loved by the FCW audience and absolutely despised by the NXT audience. Not an easy choice on what's the best way to use him

With Dallas, it's weird (and he ended up getting his gimmick adjusted to "inspirational speaker", which got the same point across without the "the NXT audience absolutely despises this guy" backstory and allowed him to be what he converted into. That's not it.

As far as the other ones: The Wyatt Family had been good monsters, but if anything they're too good- and they have this "If Bray Wyatt isn't WWE World Heavyweight Champion and playing mindgames to leave the whole roster under his spell than he's being buried and no better than Zack Ryder on the totem pole!" problem- but the Wyatt Family DID succeed, and they did well as an NXT translation without it.

As for Rusev...COME ON. He was an evil Bulgarian monster in NXT. He was an evil Bulgarian monster in the beginning in WWE, and only became changed abruptly to an evil Russian monster once Russia started to be a hot-button country again- but even that's nowhere near the same as a Del Rio complete repackaging like you said, because in both cases Rusev was basically the exact same monster heel wrestler with the exact same gimmick- with the only difference being the flag that he was waving.

[Dub H]

Dec 18, 2014 21:20:01 GMT -5 01010010 01101001 01100011 said:

Dec 18, 2014 21:13:11 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

I think what he's trying to say is that most of the time is spent on guys who really don't need to be in developmental at all. Zayn, Neville, etc. Are rightfully at the top of the food chain but does anyone really think that they need to "learn how to work"?

Yes. They need to know how to cut WWE promos, work the right camera, take direction from the refs, directors and producers and the little things like that. This isn't to forget that they are also learning to work with a larger ring with real rope instead of cable and finding a something that will work for them on the main roster.

You guys two both kind a correct with what i mean ,CATCH_US just forgot to mention at which point they were ready.

I don't mean that indie guys should not go to developmental,or for example Kenta to skip it.

I mean guy like Neville,Ascencion(they are even getting main roster packaged) and Zayn have been in development for along time,and they showed they already conquered the WWE style.

Yet they get the most promo times,they get the matches at every show.While guys like Buddy Murphy, Marco Louie,etc etc. Get to do nothing while the big guys that mastered everything get almost all airtime.

The guys that ACTUALLY need the most help get the least experience.And while of course i love it it is GREAT wrestling . But in a developmental side could be a issue or unfair to certain wrestlers.

[benstudd]

Their crowd is like the ECW crowd but for the uncool kids. In that they pop for stupid things just to enjoy themselves while the ECW crowd was only popping for things that were actually cool while enjoying themselves.

[Just call me D.j.m.]

Wow. When did we as wrestling fans become so goddamn self-loathing?

It's getting to the point where the people that hate the NXT Crowd are the bigger hipsters simply for hating the hipsters.

Yes, they try and make chants a little bit, but that has been every single wrestling company since ECW that isn't a major global conglomerate. If you're still getting upset at crowds chanting at this point, I'm sorry, but it really isn't going away. It's as much a part of the experience as what's happening in the ring at this point. Sitting and cheering and booing at the right times stopped being the thing to do a looooong time ago.

Just like kayfabe.

[Super Duper Dragunov]

Can we just forward this entire thread to Alex Riley???

Jojo was mentioned, I can see how people would be bugged by her, it's the pitch of her voice. I think her actual ring announcing is passable tho. If she was a a lower pitch like Lillian it would be better.

[Professor Chaos]

Bull Dempsey. He feels like a rib or something.

[________ has left the building]

Dec 18, 2014 22:50:40 GMT -5 fw91 said:

I hope I'm wrong on this, but that the fan base is slowly but surely turning into the equivalent of ROH/INDY bots. Its a great product, but lets stop comparing it to the main show. there different entities

It's happening at a much faster pace. Even when OVW under Paul Heyman booking was winning praise and accolades from the Net and people in the wrestling industry, people still remember it was still developmental. Nowadays, you got folks out there who don't consider NXT even part of WWE. Part of it is how WWE markets NXT and the disenfranchisement of fans towards the WWE product.

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Worst part of NXT? People forgetting that Triple H has had influence over the creative side of the WWE product since 1997 and fooling themselves into believing that he'll make the WWE product turn around despite being in part responsible for one of the worst periods to be a fan.

I'll also go with WWE putting developmental on the same level as their main shows in the minds of fans. They now have a second group of superstars they don't have to pay squat which will drive down the pay of people on the main roster in time, and you know as the NXT brand grows, it will lead to people doing more work for less money and some decent talent being kept down longer than they should to be the face of NXT, without any bump in pay.

[Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal]

Dec 19, 2014 8:06:22 GMT -5 The Dark Order Inferno said:

Worst part of NXT? People forgetting that Triple H has had influence over the creative side of the WWE product since 1997 and fooling themselves into believing that he'll make the WWE product turn around despite being in part responsible for one of the worst periods to be a fan.

I'll also go with WWE putting developmental on the same level as their main shows in the minds of fans. They now have a second group of superstars they don't have to pay squat which will drive down the pay of people on the main roster in time, and you know as the NXT brand grows, it will lead to people doing more work for less money and some decent talent being kept down longer than they should to be the face of NXT, without any bump in pay.

Haha CM Punk, get back in the gym, you have a UFC fight in like 6 months!

[Andrew is Good]

Dec 19, 2014 2:51:04 GMT -5 Super Duper Dragunov said:

Can we just forward this entire thread to Alex Riley???

Jojo was mentioned, I can see how people would be bugged by her, it's the pitch of her voice. I think her actual ring announcing is passable tho. If she was a a lower pitch like Lillian it would be better.

To mention Alex Riley again, the commentary was great last night on NXT without him.

[benstudd]

Dec 19, 2014 7:54:31 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

Dec 18, 2014 22:50:40 GMT -5 fw91 said:

I hope I'm wrong on this, but that the fan base is slowly but surely turning into the equivalent of ROH/INDY bots. Its a great product, but lets stop comparing it to the main show. there different entities

It's happening at a much faster pace. Even when OVW under Paul Heyman booking was winning praise and accolades from the Net and people in the wrestling industry, people still remember it was still developmental. Nowadays, you got folks out there who don't consider NXT even part of WWE. Part of it is how WWE markets NXT and the disenfranchisement of fans towards the WWE product.

Hey that's how ECW started, people could not stand the Big Two that would not evolve. I was comparing the crowd of ECW and NXT, that's why in part of the rowdiness of the crowds, I see these kids in NXT and they are starved of a good product after WWE and TNA let them down. 

But yea it'd almost like WWE wants this to happen, they are cultivating it. But in my opinion, they should test these wrestlers in any ways possible. But what they do there should not be testament of what should happen for the rest of their career. Like it's a mistake to think that characters they create there would work with a larger audience. It should be ground zero when they go to RAW like NXT had never happen, new characters and all. Poor Adam Rose is pretty much finished out of the gate because of that.