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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 22, 2014 22:12:56 GMT -5
I just like talking about WCW. I'm going through the starting days of the NWO, and even though Macho joining upsets me, I think Bischoff makes me the most mad.
He was the first one they attacked. He was giving impassioned speeches about protecting WCW. When Hogan joined him talking about on Monday the next night sounded so dejected and disgusted.
Him joining just made no sense and even though he developed into a good heel, I think his turn made no sense based on the start of the angle.
On a side note Dibiase was pretty much was dead in the water at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 23:30:23 GMT -5
Agree about both Macho and Bischoff. Bischoff, especially. When he joined I realized that the angle had peaked because they were out of shocking twists, and now they were just doing stuff that made no sense.
Giant joining the 2nd time was really weak.
The entire Wolfpack thing was weak and an obvious attempt to sell more t-shirts over creating good television.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 23:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 22, 2014 23:39:58 GMT -5
Would the Fingerpoke of Doom count?
They killed Kevin Nash's babyface run, "Lone Wolf" Scott Hall, Goldberg, and WCW's crediblity in one feel swoop.
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Post by khali on Dec 22, 2014 23:47:57 GMT -5
Dusty comes to mind right away. To his credit, Schiavone sold it well, but it still was incredibly pointless.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 22, 2014 23:49:44 GMT -5
Would the Fingerpoke of Doom count? They killed Kevin Nash's babyface run, "Lone Wolf" Scott Hall, Goldberg, and WCW's crediblity in one feel swoop. I think Nash was still NWO though? And I agree Dusty made no sense, but Tony sold it like someone killed his family. It was really good emoting for that lame turn.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 22, 2014 23:53:37 GMT -5
Would the Fingerpoke of Doom count? They killed Kevin Nash's babyface run, "Lone Wolf" Scott Hall, Goldberg, and WCW's crediblity in one feel swoop. I think Nash was still NWO though? And I agree Dusty made no sense, but Tony sold it like someone killed his family. It was really good emoting for that lame turn. He was Wolfpac, but they never really did anything with the Wolfpac vs. Hollywood storyline until that time, so it was definitely deflating to watch them turn that into one big swerve.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Dec 23, 2014 0:18:23 GMT -5
NWO 2000 (with Hall, Nash, Jeff Jarrett and the Nazi bikers from the Gang Wars storyline) attacking Bret Hart backstage and cutting off his ponytail only for Bret to take off his hat later to reveal that his hair was all still there and he was actually in the NWO and he had all you people fooled, etc.
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Post by somsta on Dec 23, 2014 0:28:59 GMT -5
I appreciated with Bischoff's turn that he explained that he wasnt with them the whole time - that after they attacked him his eyes were opened and he saw them as the future.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 23, 2014 0:47:01 GMT -5
I appreciated with Bischoff's turn that he explained that he wasnt with them the whole time - that after they attacked him his eyes were opened and he saw them as the future. To be fair, they did way worse to the Steiner Brothers, and Scott eventually joined them anyway.
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Post by nickcave on Dec 23, 2014 0:57:20 GMT -5
When Virgil joined it stopped being prestigious, they should have just kept it a small group of guys because the club stops being cool when any old loser can join. I mean yeah I understand the logic, the NWO needed guys who could lose so that Hogan, Nash and Hall didn't have to lose all the time but Virgil is just too far.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Dec 23, 2014 1:11:58 GMT -5
When Virgil joined it stopped being prestigious, they should have just kept it a small group of guys because the club stops being cool when any old loser can join. I mean yeah I understand the logic, the NWO needed guys who could lose so that Hogan, Nash and Hall didn't have to lose all the time but Virgil is just too far. Was Virgil even in WCW before the nWo?
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Post by Glitch on Dec 23, 2014 4:43:44 GMT -5
Those Dinner and a Movie guys from TBS. Pretty much anybody could join the NWO as long as there's somebody you can turn against(I guess in their case it was DDP or TBS).
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Post by eDemento2099 on Dec 23, 2014 5:02:34 GMT -5
The entire Wolfpack thing was weak and an obvious attempt to sell more t-shirts over creating good television. Agreed. It drove me nuts that people bought into the Wolfpac, despite how manufactured and derivative it was relative to the original nWo. Sting should never have joined the nWo. He did so without even offering a reason to back up his defection.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 23, 2014 5:24:22 GMT -5
They ruined it once they started adding jobbers. I'm not totally clear on the details but wasnt there dozens of NWO members at point. Basically every guy thought it would be good for his career to be in NWO. And then outside of NWO there was a handful of guys
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 23, 2014 5:25:53 GMT -5
NWO 2000 (with Hall, Nash, Jeff Jarrett and the Nazi bikers from the Gang Wars storyline) attacking Bret Hart backstage and cutting off his ponytail only for Bret to take off his hat later to reveal that his hair was all still there and he was actually in the NWO and he had all you people fooled, etc. That didnt actually happen did it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 5:46:08 GMT -5
Take your pick.
The nWo peaked as it began and it went on for like years.
Black and White? Wolfpack? Black and Silver? None of it really mattered outside of Hogans' initial defection.
Hogan mattered. The Outsiders mattered. 123 mattered. Nobody else did. They could've brought guys like Savage and Hart in maybe with a little creative legwork, but they just completely said f*** it and went all in and hamfisted everything that their "organization" did.
It was hot at that exact moment, but if you were steadily watching the WCDub through the late 90's, you know just how infuriatingly tiresome it ultimately got.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 23, 2014 8:18:17 GMT -5
Would the Fingerpoke of Doom count? They killed Kevin Nash's babyface run, "Lone Wolf" Scott Hall, Goldberg, and WCW's crediblity in one feel swoop. I ultimately understand why they did it, and in some ways, it fits the group, but doing that with the world title is questionable, and it really f***ed everything up, in large part since it didn't lead to anything but a return to the status quo for the most part.
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Post by agent817 on Dec 23, 2014 9:03:59 GMT -5
Those Dinner and a Movie guys from TBS. Pretty much anybody could join the NWO as long as there's somebody you can turn against(I guess in their case it was DDP or TBS). What about having Kyle Petty be a member? He drove the NWO car and there was a promo that involved him, a prerecorded promo. However, did he ever appear on Nitro in an NWO segment at all?
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 23, 2014 9:14:18 GMT -5
I was SO pissed when Bischoff joined. That might have been the last time I was legit shocked and pissed at something
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