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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 23, 2014 2:10:59 GMT -5
Dolph/Lesnar, Cena/Roman (current golden boy vs. future golden boy. Win or lose, I'd think this would be a much more productive way to get Roman over than rushing him to the title), Rollins/Ambrose (Ambrose never got his clean win over Rollins). Bryan probably ain't coming back so I'm not really considering any potential Mania matches for him. He could face Bray or somebody, I guess. Fair enough, but I think they'd have to build up Ziggler/Lesnar extremely well for people to think that Dolph could win against Brock Lesnar and I'm not sure they're willing to do that yet. Also maybe it's just me, but Rollins vs. Ambrose almost seems like a step down for Seth Rollins after how heavily he's been in the main event mix and how Dean Ambrose has fallen. I'm almost thinking that if they go this direction, it would be Cena winning at the Rumble and then them doing Cena vs Ziggler for the title at Mania. That way if they still want to do Roman vs Lesnar they can, but they don't have to put the belt on him right away.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 23, 2014 2:14:24 GMT -5
The problem with getting behind Dolph is that they did it way too late for Dolph to be getting a main event push right now. Assuming that Brock Lesnar is retaining at the Royal Rumble, how would you fit Dolph Ziggler into a match with him while also having John Cena, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, and (possibly) Daniel Bryan to also find spots for? They should've pulled the trigger on Dolph Ziggler a long time ago. I wouldn't worry about Bryan until he actually returns. For me: Brock v. Dolph Roman v. Seth Cena v. Rusev I expect Cena/Rusev no matter what. Roman/Seth give Roman a high profile match and finish what was left open by his injury. Plus I think they could put together a great match that both could come out of looking good, and when Seth cashes in on Dolph and takes the title, Roman will have a case to move into the title scene since he'd have beaten Seth at Mania. Only person that seems to leave out is Dean and WWE doesn't give a damn so why should we?
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Post by mcstoklasa on Dec 23, 2014 3:35:53 GMT -5
I normally knock Ziggler, but recenty he has done well so I agree
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 3:48:14 GMT -5
Ziggler wins the Rumble
Seth cashes in on whoever wins the Brock Vs Cena match and gets the title
Ziggler Vs Seth in the main event of Mania for the title...while Vince can get his Reigns Vs Brock match still just without the title.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Dec 23, 2014 3:58:42 GMT -5
I will love every second of Ziggler and Reigns being the final two and the crowd booing the crap out of Reigns when he tosses Ziggler over.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 23, 2014 5:38:10 GMT -5
I'd like for people to look back at my post. It just will not work. Not yet. It'd be fun when he won and then good lord are you wanting to see a Ziggler title feud? His talking quite honestly is awful. What if he drove a title feud and won? You want to see Ziggler talk mid ring with the title in his hand for a bit? I mean he can talk about how he loves the fans and they can go "yay" etc. But what about beyond that? There's no Authority to cover the spaces. But you're saying this when the most likely guy to get that spot is Roman f***ing Reigns. Reigns being champion wouldn't provide good promos, good matches or good storylines. You'd rather he won the title?
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Post by Vanilla Gorilla on Dec 23, 2014 12:40:30 GMT -5
This is completely nerdy, but I view Ziggler sort of as Link with Lesnar looming as his Ganon - his final boss battle. Beating the authority, overcoming Rollins, and putting away Harper are basically like the dungeon bosses. Winning the Rumble and getting through Lesnar feels like the logical end. The build towards the match is basically Lesnar hunting Ziggler with Dolph always just slipping through his fingers. Finally, Lesnar has him cornered at WM, starts to play with him and takes him lightly. However, Lesnar cannot finish him off and Ziggler keeps escaping the F5. Finally, Brock's frustrations leads to a self destruction, with Dolph capitalizing on the fatal mistake. Match wise, I feel it works on a similar level to Bret/Yoko, Shawn/Sid, Sting/Vader, etc.
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Post by FAR5222 on Dec 23, 2014 13:19:40 GMT -5
I'd like for people to look back at my post. It just will not work. Not yet. It'd be fun when he won and then good lord are you wanting to see a Ziggler title feud? His talking quite honestly is awful. What if he drove a title feud and won? You want to see Ziggler talk mid ring with the title in his hand for a bit? I mean he can talk about how he loves the fans and they can go "yay" etc. But what about beyond that? There's no Authority to cover the spaces. Bryan isn't a great talker and people got behind him. If the machine get behind Ziggler he's fine. Ziggler is improving on the mic and he's showing conviction and his delivery is fine.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 23, 2014 13:32:58 GMT -5
It's Ziggler's time. The momentum is behind him. He should win the Rumble and beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania. It's just not going to work with Roman Reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 14:04:11 GMT -5
The problem with getting behind Dolph is that they did it way too late for Dolph to be getting a main event push right now. Assuming that Brock Lesnar is retaining at the Royal Rumble, how would you fit Dolph Ziggler into a match with him while also having John Cena, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, and (possibly) Daniel Bryan to also find spots for? They should've pulled the trigger on Dolph Ziggler a long time ago. I wouldn't worry about Bryan until he actually returns. For me: Brock v. Dolph Roman v. Seth Cena v. Rusev I expect Cena/Rusev no matter what. Roman/Seth give Roman a high profile match and finish what was left open by his injury. Plus I think they could put together a great match that both could come out of looking good, and when Seth cashes in on Dolph and takes the title, Roman will have a case to move into the title scene since he'd have beaten Seth at Mania. Only person that seems to leave out is Dean and WWE doesn't give a damn so why should we? I'd personally do... Dolph / Cena Reigns / Lesnar (no title) Rollins / Ambrose No clue where that leaves Rusev given that basically covers every face who matters but... Man, I just so, so, SO hope to never see Cena / Rusev. Match would be great but the feud would be absolutely terrible and there is no way Rusev would come out of any of it looking good. Edit: Orton! Orton / Rusev! Probably be a damn good match and the story would probably be fun too since Orton would probably skip on the USA! USA! shit and just want to kill him.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 23, 2014 14:09:42 GMT -5
A final four between Reigns, Ryback, Ziggler and Harper would be amazing. And just to keep WWE unpredictable, have Reigns eliminated FIRST and then watch the final three battle it out. Harper would go next. And then do an epic finale between Ziggler and Ryback.
... And Ryback wins.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2014 14:14:27 GMT -5
A final four between Reigns, Ryback, Ziggler and Harper would be amazing. And just to keep WWE unpredictable, have Reigns eliminated FIRST and then watch the final three battle it out. Harper would go next. And then do an epic finale between Ziggler and Ryback. ... And Ryback wins. I like Ryback enough (although the Punk stuff and CARELESSNESS in general has sort of soured me on him), but .
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 23, 2014 14:18:23 GMT -5
This is a great idea but I'd much rather want to see Roman get booed the hell out of the arena by both Philly and Santa Clara. I'd rather see an enjoyable main event than a bunch of smarks chanting "CM Punk" all night because they're salty about who's main eventing, but whatever floats your boat. As I said in the RAW thread, this Ziggler push is weird if this scenario isn't where they are going with him. Why would you build this guy up to this extent and not follow through to the most logical conclusion? What else could they possibly be building toward? only thing i see is that Rollins cashes in on reigns right after he wins at mania and takes the belt off him. Then Dolph "the man who pinned Rollins to save us from the Authority!" Ziggler goes after him the next night on RAW
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2014 14:20:30 GMT -5
I'd rather see an enjoyable main event than a bunch of smarks chanting "CM Punk" all night because they're salty about who's main eventing, but whatever floats your boat. As I said in the RAW thread, this Ziggler push is weird if this scenario isn't where they are going with him. Why would you build this guy up to this extent and not follow through to the most logical conclusion? What else could they possibly be building toward? only thing i see is that Rollins cashes in on reigns right after he wins at mania and takes the belt off him. Then Dolph "the man who pinned Rollins to save us from the Authority!" Ziggler goes after him the next night on RAW This could work. Ziggler gets to be in the spotlight and Roman gets the lip service of being "former WWE World Heavyweight Champion" in order to look really strong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 14:20:57 GMT -5
I'd rather see an enjoyable main event than a bunch of smarks chanting "CM Punk" all night because they're salty about who's main eventing, but whatever floats your boat. As I said in the RAW thread, this Ziggler push is weird if this scenario isn't where they are going with him. Why would you build this guy up to this extent and not follow through to the most logical conclusion? What else could they possibly be building toward? only thing i see is that Rollins cashes in on reigns right after he wins at mania and takes the belt off him. Then Dolph "the man who pinned Rollins to save us from the Authority!" Ziggler goes after him the next night on RAW That wouldn't really work. Even just ignoring the question of why Lesnar doesn't get his rematch (seeing as he's leaving and all), it'd be just weird to not have Reigns get his either, and it'd mean they just spent months building up Ziggler just to feed him to Rollins as a speed bump en route to him inevitably losing the title back to Reigns. And it'd make Reigns look pretty terrible to win the title, immediately get screwed out of it, and not even bother seeking immediate revenge which would fly contrary to what they're seemingly trying to do with him in the first place. Granted, the, "Nobody bothers getting a rematch," thing happened this year with Orton and Batista but still.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Dec 23, 2014 14:22:55 GMT -5
A final four between Reigns, Ryback, Ziggler and Harper would be amazing. And just to keep WWE unpredictable, have Reigns eliminated FIRST and then watch the final three battle it out. Harper would go next. And then do an epic finale between Ziggler and Ryback. ... And Ryback wins. I can feel my blood pressure rising already.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 23, 2014 14:36:51 GMT -5
only thing i see is that Rollins cashes in on reigns right after he wins at mania and takes the belt off him. Then Dolph "the man who pinned Rollins to save us from the Authority!" Ziggler goes after him the next night on RAW That wouldn't really work. Even just ignoring the question of why Lesnar doesn't get his rematch (seeing as he's leaving and all), it'd be just weird to not have Reigns get his either, and it'd mean they just spent months building up Ziggler just to feed him to Rollins as a speed bump en route to him inevitably losing the title back to Reigns. And it'd make Reigns look pretty terrible to win the title, immediately get screwed out of it, and not even bother seeking immediate revenge which would fly contrary to what they're seemingly trying to do with him in the first place. Granted, the, "Nobody bothers getting a rematch," thing happened this year with Orton and Batista but still. i don;t think reigns would look weak as he'd just have gone to the "limit" beating Lesnar leaving him ripe for the taking by rollins. if lesnar is done after mania as rumors hint then it'd be like the Rock's hasn;t happened yet rematch for the title when he lost it to cena. part-timer loses the title then disappears. yeah Reigns would be owed a rematch and probably get it in some fashion which wouldn;t last longer than the next PPV i'm thinking where he'd lose due to whoever he's feuding with next's (Rusev?) interference.rollins wouldn;t beat reigns clean. but see i'm not saying ziggler gets fed to Rollins- i'm saying ziggler beats rollins for the title. this is going off the scenario where wwe gets cold feet about reigns due to so-so reaction from the crowd. so they give Reigns his conquest of the conquerer of the undertaker's undefeated streak at wrestlemania to become the one in 21 and 1. but then they get the belt back off him before the crowd turns on him like they did batista. rollins finally gets the cash in for the "future of the wwe" and instead of trying to beat brock, Ziggler has a "better" champ for him to knock off without doing the hopelessly outgunned underdog face thing, instead being able to present rollins and ziggler as equals like they constantly try with cena/orton. if reigns picks up momentum later he can always be reslotted into the mix again (RR, elimination chamber if not before then)
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Post by walterharrow on Dec 23, 2014 14:43:23 GMT -5
I would love to see Interconinental Champion Dolph Ziggler vs World Champion Brock Lesnar. That would massively help not only Dolph, but the IC title as well
But, would fans turn against Ziggler if he wins the rumble and Bryan returns a few weeks later only to be put in the mania mid card?
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Post by FAR5222 on Dec 23, 2014 14:44:56 GMT -5
That wouldn't really work. Even just ignoring the question of why Lesnar doesn't get his rematch (seeing as he's leaving and all), it'd be just weird to not have Reigns get his either, and it'd mean they just spent months building up Ziggler just to feed him to Rollins as a speed bump en route to him inevitably losing the title back to Reigns. And it'd make Reigns look pretty terrible to win the title, immediately get screwed out of it, and not even bother seeking immediate revenge which would fly contrary to what they're seemingly trying to do with him in the first place. Granted, the, "Nobody bothers getting a rematch," thing happened this year with Orton and Batista but still. i don;t think reigns would look weak as he'd just have gone to the "limit" beating Lesnar leaving him ripe for the taking by rollins. if lesnar is done after mania as rumors hint then it'd be like the Rock's hasn;t happened yet rematch for the title when he lost it to cena. part-timer loses the title then disappears. yeah Reigns would be owed a rematch and probably get it in some fashion which wouldn;t last longer than the next PPV i'm thinking where he'd lose due to whoever he's feuding with next's (Rusev?) interference.rollins wouldn;t beat reigns clean. but see i'm not saying ziggler gets fed to Rollins- i'm saying ziggler beats rollins for the title. this is going off the scenario where wwe gets cold feet about reigns due to so-so reaction from the crowd. so they give Reigns his conquest of the conquerer of the undertaker's undefeated streak at wrestlemania to become the one in 21 and 1. but then they get the belt back off him before the crowd turns on him like they did batista. rollins finally gets the cash in for the "future of the wwe" and instead of trying to beat brock, Ziggler has a "better" champ for him to knock off without doing the hopelessly outgunned underdog face thing, instead being able to present rollins and ziggler as equals like they constantly try with cena/orton. if reigns picks up momentum later he can always be reslotted into the mix again (RR, elimination chamber if not before then) How about WWE doesn't give Reigns the win over Lesnar if they get the hypothetical cold feet you said. Reigns beating Lesnar and then WWE getting cold feet is insane.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 14:46:36 GMT -5
I would love to see Interconinental Champion Dolph Ziggler vs World Champion Brock Lesnar. That would massively help not only Dolph, but the IC title as well But, would fans turn against Ziggler if he wins the rumble and Bryan returns a few weeks later only to be put in the mania mid card? I don't think they would with Ziggler, just because 1), he's popular with the same sort of people for similar reasons and 2), he's been toiling for a long time and really just waiting to step up while Batista had their air of not having earned it, which is also something Reigns could have to deal with. Ziggler though, he's been going through random shit for the past decade and selling like crazy doing it so his effort's pretty immediately apparent. i don;t think reigns would look weak as he'd just have gone to the "limit" beating Lesnar leaving him ripe for the taking by rollins. if lesnar is done after mania as rumors hint then it'd be like the Rock's hasn;t happened yet rematch for the title when he lost it to cena. part-timer loses the title then disappears. yeah Reigns would be owed a rematch and probably get it in some fashion which wouldn;t last longer than the next PPV i'm thinking where he'd lose due to whoever he's feuding with next's (Rusev?) interference.rollins wouldn;t beat reigns clean. but see i'm not saying ziggler gets fed to Rollins- i'm saying ziggler beats rollins for the title. this is going off the scenario where wwe gets cold feet about reigns due to so-so reaction from the crowd. so they give Reigns his conquest of the conquerer of the undertaker's undefeated streak at wrestlemania to become the one in 21 and 1. but then they get the belt back off him before the crowd turns on him like they did batista. rollins finally gets the cash in for the "future of the wwe" and instead of trying to beat brock, Ziggler has a "better" champ for him to knock off without doing the hopelessly outgunned underdog face thing, instead being able to present rollins and ziggler as equals like they constantly try with cena/orton. if reigns picks up momentum later he can always be reslotted into the mix again (RR, elimination chamber if not before then) How about WWE doesn't give Reigns the win over Lesnar if they get the hypothetical cold feet you said. Reigns beating Lesnar and then WWE getting cold feet is insane. I say have Reigns retire Lesnar in a non-title match with him having lost the title to Cena at the Rumble. No sense in keeping the title on Brock until the day he leaves, and that way Reigns can get the rub of retiring him but it doesn't really mean that much so if he doesn't quite end up clicking as a main eventer it won't be as jarring to scale it back nor will it have as much messy clean-up.
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