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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2014 14:49:19 GMT -5
I would love to see Interconinental Champion Dolph Ziggler vs World Champion Brock Lesnar. That would massively help not only Dolph, but the IC title as well But, would fans turn against Ziggler if he wins the rumble and Bryan returns a few weeks later only to be put in the mania mid card? No. The difference between Ziggler and Batista is that Ziggler will have earned his main event spot rather than being slotted there because he's a returning "star" from the past. As long as Whatever Bryan's doing is made to look fairly high profile (e.g. Let him open and/or close a few RAWs/SDs) then the fans won't revolt. And I say this as someone who bitched a lot about Bryan's booking.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 23, 2014 15:36:26 GMT -5
i don;t think reigns would look weak as he'd just have gone to the "limit" beating Lesnar leaving him ripe for the taking by rollins. if lesnar is done after mania as rumors hint then it'd be like the Rock's hasn;t happened yet rematch for the title when he lost it to cena. part-timer loses the title then disappears. yeah Reigns would be owed a rematch and probably get it in some fashion which wouldn;t last longer than the next PPV i'm thinking where he'd lose due to whoever he's feuding with next's (Rusev?) interference.rollins wouldn;t beat reigns clean. but see i'm not saying ziggler gets fed to Rollins- i'm saying ziggler beats rollins for the title. this is going off the scenario where wwe gets cold feet about reigns due to so-so reaction from the crowd. so they give Reigns his conquest of the conquerer of the undertaker's undefeated streak at wrestlemania to become the one in 21 and 1. but then they get the belt back off him before the crowd turns on him like they did batista. rollins finally gets the cash in for the "future of the wwe" and instead of trying to beat brock, Ziggler has a "better" champ for him to knock off without doing the hopelessly outgunned underdog face thing, instead being able to present rollins and ziggler as equals like they constantly try with cena/orton. if reigns picks up momentum later he can always be reslotted into the mix again (RR, elimination chamber if not before then) How about WWE doesn't give Reigns the win over Lesnar if they get the hypothetical cold feet you said. Reigns beating Lesnar and then WWE getting cold feet is insane. if ziggler's getting pushed to the ME scene, someone has to get the belt off the guy who beat both taker and cena and reigns is believable enough to pull it off. so reigns gets his WM moment to cement himself at the top of the card but with reigns and ziggler both faces, ziggler's stuck in a holding pattern until someone beats reigns. that's where rollins comes in, takes out a weakened reigns and gives Ziggler an "in" to the title scene as a guy who's beaten rollins a couple times now. now they've got two guys built up as credible ME title holder types and gives reigns more time to solidy himself and try to get the reactions the WWE wants him to get so he can step back into the title picture down the road. don;t forget how daniel bryan's first two title runs combined to less than 24 hours. so wwe giving someone a super short run in their first title win isn;t unusual. and how batista didn;t really have the fans turn against him until after he won the rumble. if the fans turn on reigns to give the wwe cold feet AFTER winning the rumble they've stuck themselves into a corner again and would either have to grin and bear the fans giving reigns the cena treatment which isn;t a good idea for your future top face- or get the title off him quick before it's too late.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Dec 23, 2014 17:18:13 GMT -5
Ziggler will beat Brock at Wrestlemania.
Rollins will cash in on Ziggler and win the belt.
They will go with Ziggler over Reigns winning the Rumble and taking the Wrestlemania spot because they don't want Reigns first WWE Championship reign to last 10 seconds.
People will be pissed, but it accomplishes what it should in that it gets sympathy on Ziggler (who by going over Lesnar is already going over huge) and gets even more heat on Rollins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 17:28:32 GMT -5
I'm slowly starting to get that feeling that we will see a repeat of last year if Roman wins The Rumble. I know Vince has wet dreams of 2 big men going at it at WrestleMania like in the good old days but it will blow up in his face. And I don't even dislike Reigns. If they truly "listen" to their fans for once, Ziggler is main eventing WrestleMania. To me it's a bigger feel good story then Bryan was last year. Yeah, I am a Ziggler fan but it's nothing remotely near the Bryan thing. Ziggler winning would not be emotional to me, it's a WWE made guy finally learning how to politic like Foley said he needed to do. Bryan was a real deal story.
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Post by RIHT on Dec 23, 2014 17:37:02 GMT -5
I mostly feel that if Daniel Bryan can come back for WM, he should face Lesnar, but I honestly would still be behind Ziggler if WWE chose him over Bryan. That's how deserving Ziggler is. Like Bryan, the mix of scripted and legitimate struggle for Ziggler could make for an amazing main event and if he beat Lesnar, hands down it would cement him as a main eventer.
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Post by Dean-o on Dec 23, 2014 19:53:02 GMT -5
I'm slowly starting to get that feeling that we will see a repeat of last year if Roman wins The Rumble. I know Vince has wet dreams of 2 big men going at it at WrestleMania like in the good old days but it will blow up in his face. And I don't even dislike Reigns. If they truly "listen" to their fans for once, Ziggler is main eventing WrestleMania. To me it's a bigger feel good story then Bryan was last year. Yeah, I am a Ziggler fan but it's nothing remotely near the Bryan thing. Ziggler winning would not be emotional to me, it's a WWE made guy finally learning how to politic like Foley said he needed to do. Bryan was a real deal story. What I mean was, Bryan already had his taste of holding the main title and even was involved in a multi month main event feud. Ziggler barely got a run as WHC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 19:56:56 GMT -5
That's at least 3 times this year that someone has gotten to "PUSH HIM TO THE MOON" levels of over. Cesaro? Well, yeah. Ambrose? Hovering around but has cooled off very noticeably. So now, it's Ziggler. Godspeed, sir.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 22:04:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I am a Ziggler fan but it's nothing remotely near the Bryan thing. Ziggler winning would not be emotional to me, it's a WWE made guy finally learning how to politic like Foley said he needed to do. Bryan was a real deal story. What I mean was, Bryan already had his taste of holding the main title and even was involved in a multi month main event feud. Ziggler barely got a run as WHC. Ziggler has had two world title runs and got an Austin-esque face turn during his title match. He also ran SmackDown for a while with Vickie. He hasn't been hard done by in reality.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Dec 24, 2014 4:20:04 GMT -5
anybody else getting a weird sense of deja vu? like, last year we all knew the plan for wrestlemania and it ended with a big muscle guy winning the title. and everybody hated the idea. but at the same time there was a guy that didn't fit the mold, that the IWC and crowds were completed behind and Vince & Company wanted the guy nowhere near the title. what are the odds it will end the same way 2 years in a row?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 24, 2014 4:21:14 GMT -5
anybody else getting a weird sense of deja vu? like, last year we all knew the plan for wrestlemania and it ended with a big muscle guy winning the title. and everybody hated the idea. but at the same time there was a guy that didn't fit the mold, that the IWC and crowds were completed behind and Vince & Company wanted the guy nowhere near the title. what are the odds it will end the same way 2 years in a row? At least I don't have to worry about losing a wager this year.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 24, 2014 4:40:07 GMT -5
Ziggler will beat Brock at Wrestlemania. Rollins will cash in on Ziggler and win the belt. They will go with Ziggler over Reigns winning the Rumble and taking the Wrestlemania spot because they don't want Reigns first WWE Championship reign to last 10 seconds. People will be pissed, but it accomplishes what it should in that it gets sympathy on Ziggler (who by going over Lesnar is already going over huge) and gets even more heat on Rollins. I'm surprisingly okay with that. Just because i think that beating Lesnar for the title will boost Ziggler much more than keeping the title for 3 months. Rollins get heel heat. Reigns get some push too. I think it is a good scenario. Edit: Hell,if you keep him with the IC title,he can be a double champion.Sure for 10 seconds...but still.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 7:44:41 GMT -5
Here's the big question mark.
What sideplates could Ziggler possibly have for the title? At least Reigns could use his Hardy Boyz logo or a dog or something, no clue on Dolph. And I'm sure that minor thing is the dealbreaker.
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Post by abjordans on Dec 24, 2014 9:36:01 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler vs. Brock gives me flashbacks to Eddie vs. Brock, probably one of my top 5 matches ever. Actually, probably my second favorite match ever if we are keeping it real. Those real, feel good moments are why I watch. Ziggler surviving Lesnar to finally win the WWE's top prize writes itself. They can play off of their amateur wrestling backgrounds. They can do the whole Brock kills him, but Dolph just won't stay down motif. Man, that writes itself. That is WM shit. I want it almost as bad as Bryan last year.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 24, 2014 9:39:13 GMT -5
Here's the big question mark. What sideplates could Ziggler possibly have for the title? At least Reigns could use his Hardy Boyz logo or a dog or something, no clue on Dolph. And I'm sure that minor thing is the dealbreaker. Show Off?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 24, 2014 13:15:05 GMT -5
Here's the big question mark. What sideplates could Ziggler possibly have for the title? At least Reigns could use his Hardy Boyz logo or a dog or something, no clue on Dolph. And I'm sure that minor thing is the dealbreaker. He could just not use them and Stick with the regular WWE logo ones.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Dec 24, 2014 13:40:05 GMT -5
Here's the big question mark. What sideplates could Ziggler possibly have for the title? At least Reigns could use his Hardy Boyz logo or a dog or something, no clue on Dolph. And I'm sure that minor thing is the dealbreaker. Probably just that DZ logo he has on his t-shirts.
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