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Post by chrom on Dec 28, 2014 20:28:22 GMT -5
Come out and give a thirty minute promo at the start of each show. That's the reason I gave up on TNA as I checked 2013 and only about 7% of shows in a year had something that didn't start with a long winded promo.
That's the reason I've gotten in NJPW so much as for a change I'm not seeing half hour promos that could actually be done in three minutes.
Evil Authority and Company Takeovers as well. (Looking at you again TNA) My interest in LU went down when they went with Dario being one but they managed to bring me back thanks to him showing up sparingly instead of being the main focus.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 28, 2014 23:33:07 GMT -5
I'm not over the hardcore stuff (although bleeding should be done sparingly and chair shots should never be to the head again and if they are, they must be protected with the recipient's hands guiding the chair), but I am over the "ring full of plunder" approach to hardcore matches. I love how CM Punk and Daniel Bryan took a minimalist approach to using weapons in their WWE Title match at Money in The Bank 2012. They used one chair and one table in the match and it made it look a whole lot more believable and was more fun to watch than "Let's just hit each other with weapons until one weapon strike arbitrarily puts you down for the three count!" In that vein, the use of chairs was excellent in the Punk/Lesnar match at SummerSlam 2013. They made Punk with a chair the most dangerous man alive, and somehow made it look credible Punk could pin Brock if he hadn't been so focused on Heyman.
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Post by WWHHHD on Dec 29, 2014 0:03:40 GMT -5
Divas in thongs. They did it so often that it lost its OMG appeal. This could use some examples.... I'm just saying
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Post by Rave on Dec 29, 2014 2:40:40 GMT -5
I barely watch wrestling specifically because I'm sooo tired of evil authority figures. Yes, yup, yessir, this right here! There is NOTHING more played out in wrestling than "Evil Authority Figure". Oh jeez yes. Evil and/or corrupt authority figures and associated power struggle storylines are so overdone that it's not even funny. It's one of the few things I actively dislike about Lucha Underground.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 29, 2014 3:09:49 GMT -5
Come out and give a thirty minute promo at the start of each show. That's the reason I gave up on TNA as I checked 2013 and only about 7% of shows in a year had something that didn't start with a long winded promo. That's the reason I've gotten in NJPW so much as for a change I'm not seeing half hour promos that could actually be done in three minutes. Evil Authority and Company Takeovers as well. (Looking at you again TNA) My interest in LU went down when they went with Dario being one but they managed to bring me back thanks to him showing up sparingly instead of being the main focus. It also makes sense when he does come out. The overalls story arc is about him starting up a wrestling promotion. In the same vein as the bosses in fighting games. It's not just evil authority for the sake of evil authority. For the first time in a long time, I'm enjoying an evil boss character.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 3:26:48 GMT -5
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 29, 2014 8:38:10 GMT -5
Hosses. I'm a fan of larger than life stars, but when you have too many if them it loses some of its appeal.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 29, 2014 9:48:59 GMT -5
Using workrate as a reason why a wrestler deserves a bigger push. MMA inspired wrestling. If I want to watch MMA, I would watch MMA not a wrestling match trying to be that. Lucha Libre. Way too choreographed for my tastes. I still like the luchadors. Just when they break out their comfort zone. Shimmer. There are tons of places to work for women nowadays and I hate that people still act like women wrestling only exist in Japan, Shimmer, and the UK. The smugness of the fanbase plays a part also.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 20:52:48 GMT -5
Big moves. I remember when big devastating looking movies were almost guaranteed match enders. Now they are an easy kickout, and if it's a PPV the finishers don't usually matter either.
Cage matches. In fairness, the cage match has been pointless for decades now, but there was a time where a cage match was a big deal and made sense. Now, it's either a non-entity or just an excuse for the same old crappy spots.
Royal Rumbles. Used to be my favorite match of the year, but the last several have just been putrid spot-fests where the announcers crow about Kofi Kingston doing something stupid and nonsensical.
Undertaker. For about the first 10 years he was probably one of my top 5 characters in wrestling, but the whole gimmick and sight of him taking 5 minutes to walk to the ring with fireballs and lightning and fog has just become old and tired.
Sports entertainment. It sucks. Once upon a time, I couldn't get enough wrestling. I used to listen to scrambled PPV's on my TV when I was a kid and be on the edge of my seat even though I couldn't see a thing. Now, there is an overabundance of current product available to watch on a weekly basis and even a PPV that I can watch for the price of my WWE Network subscription, but I can't be bothered to turn any of it on. A few Sundays ago I made a choice to skip the TLC PPV and watch Legends of Wrestling instead.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan on Dec 29, 2014 21:33:57 GMT -5
MMA inspired wrestling. If I want to watch MMA, I would watch MMA not a wrestling match trying to be that. Dear lord, yes! This is the number one thing I can't stand about modern wrestling. Bret Hart did a damn good job making what he did look real without ever pulling off any kind of shoot kicks.
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Post by Main Eventer on Dec 29, 2014 22:22:01 GMT -5
The invincible hero- If the good guy doesn't lose every once in a while its just boring.
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 29, 2014 22:26:53 GMT -5
The invisible hero- If the good guy doesn't lose every once in a while its just boring. Now I know why Cena always says "You can't see me!". On the flip side, the invincible villains. The Authority was especially bad for a while...
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Post by ERON on Dec 30, 2014 10:32:07 GMT -5
The Tower of Doom and Snuka cage dive spots. It's gotten to the point where pretty much every triple threat has a Tower of Doom at some point, and every cage match has a Snuka dive complete with looking out at the crowd with the "Should I do it?" expression. My reaction has gone from "Whoa! That was insane!" to "Oh jeez, not this again."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 11:27:11 GMT -5
The salaciousness and the general disrespect of women. Thankfully the tide has turned on that one. Though they've got a ways to go still.
Anything to do with "the business," "the company," or "the industry."
Sometimes I feel like I'm watching "Wrestling Business Weekly" or something.
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 30, 2014 13:51:15 GMT -5
The invisible hero- If the good guy doesn't lose every once in a while its just boring. Now I know why Cena always says "You can't see me!". On the flip side, the invincible villains. The Authority was especially bad for a while... I forgot to mention the worst case of this: The NWO.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 30, 2014 14:00:06 GMT -5
wink wink nudge nudge references to backstage stuff. In particular things like "This is Phil Brooks talking to Paul Levesque". Who are Phil Brooks and Paul Levesque when they're on TV?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 30, 2014 14:38:40 GMT -5
Wrestlers bringing up being charismatic as one of the reasons they're great.
1. If you're that charismatic, you don't need to say it, the only person to get away with that was The Rock 2. You're meant to be a fighter, in the real world, yes that gets you to the top, but in kayfabe it has nothing to do with your job.
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Post by Saul Goodman on Dec 30, 2014 14:44:31 GMT -5
Serious wrestlers.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Dec 30, 2014 16:54:14 GMT -5
I don't need to see blood ever again. I'm fine revisiting the stuff I've already seen, but at this point, even seeing older violent stuff I'd never seen before is just unsettling to me considering all we know about blood-born diseases now. I remember an episode of Legends of Wrestling on the WWE Network about hardcore wrestling and two big contributions made by Jim Ross on that episode being a really disgusting story of getting Ray Traylor's blood on his glasses doing commentary during a Big Bubba Rogers-Steve Williams match, the other was him talking about how risky blood letting is with blood born illnesses. I just love how JR tells everyone who think bleeding is a good idea by saying "read a newspaper!" and I'm thinking "Read a newspaper? Read a history book! Or at least any medical journal published since 1982. Has JR had his nose to the grindstone so long that he thinks AIDS or other blood born diseases like hepatitis is still front page news?" I'm surprised that even though wrestling's had its share of workers who have caught hepatitis (best example being Devon Nicholson). But I'm surprised we haven't seen more AIDS casualties in wrestling. Especially in the pre-expansion days when there was a whole lot more blading, and the fact that people were a lot more ignorant about who got AIDS and who didn't, so you had a whole lot of wrestlers who probably didn't think they could get HIV/AIDS through heterosexual sex with ring rats. I'm surprised the only casualty I've ever heard of was former WCCW referee and announcer Ralph Pulley (and since he was a ref/announcer. I still don't think I've heard of a confirmed case among wrestlers). Obvious plancha spots where a handful of dudes stand there shoulder to shoulder like retards on the outside for too long. I want to see a spot like this and have everyone simultaneously duck the plancha, have them walk away Samoa Joe style, or everyone duck the plancha except for some rube who just looks at everyone else going "what are you guys doing" who then gets hit with the plancha.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 30, 2014 18:55:36 GMT -5
wink wink nudge nudge references to backstage stuff. In particular things like "This is Phil Brooks talking to Paul Levesque". Who are Phil Brooks and Paul Levesque when they're on TV? That was probably the main reason I couldn't stand the DX reunions. Every time there was some kind of inside reference that they thought was "edgy" but because they did it so much, it became groan-worthy.
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