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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 0:43:14 GMT -5
Okay, please don't read any of what I type in hostile tones. I'm going to do my best not to come off as obnoxious or asshole-ish in this post. 1. Game of Thrones really isn't a show for the casual viewer. Don't expect to jump into any random episode and immediately know what's going on. This is NOT a knock against you, but the show does require a lot of attention to be paid. You said "some midget was hitting his brother for no reason." You missed a lot of info leading up to that scene. I know names are hard to get down after only one viewing, so there's nothing wrong with not knowing the midget's name, but that was his nephew he was slapping the shit out of, not his brother, and he was doing that because the pampered little snot was being very disrespectful to the Stark family (the people who owned the land/castle they were visiting, and whose child had been seriously hurt). The midget's brother is the guy who pushed the kid out of the window and hurt him in the first place. No one except the midget's brother and the midget's sister knows that it was the brother who pushed the kid out the window. There's tons of other informative stuff like this that's character development. You have to really pay attention to know what the hell is going on. It can be boring, but please believe me, it will come together, make sense, and make the show more enjoyable later on. 2. I was exactly where you were when watching season 1. The show back then was so damn plodding and slow. Some characters, at the time, I didn't give to shits about, but they seemed to be taking all the screen time. Please stick with it and plow on through! When the midget gets arrested, the show really starts to pick up in season one and most of the story elements begin to get more interesting. Beware scenes with Jon Snow and "The Wall." Some of that stuff is good, but throughout season one, IMO, it was by far the most boring stuff (along with anything having to do with Bran...the kid who got hurt). Both of these storylines DO pick up in the later seasons, and there are high spots here and there in season one. 3. If you're expecting some Superman like virtuous pure good loving mega baby face to pop up and thwart the forces of evil in Game of Thrones, you're going to be disappointed. A lot of the characters who come close to being that good actually get betrayed and murdered. Sadly, this is no super hero comic, and there's no coming back from the dead. If you stick with it, you might call me out on that last statement as it isn't entirely true...but, for the most part, yeah, it's pretty right on. A lot of the characters on the show are either extremely evil (you'll know them, believe me) or actually good with hints of grey. The midget, for example, likes to whore and drink a lot, but he's also possibly the most compassionate and caring character in the show (especially in seasons two and three). He can be a total smart ass, but he has reasons, whether justified or not. Most of the Stark family are very good people, but they can jump to conclusions too quickly and they make mistakes...putting trust into the wrong people. The show isn't really like Dungeons and Dragons or Lord of the Rings where you can point at any character and definitely say "He's lawful good!" or "He's chaotic neutral!" Some characters you can EASILY guess their alignment, but other characters are much harder to place. Anyway, if the show isn't for you, then damn it, it just isn't for you and that's the way it'll be! I will beg you to stick with it until maybe an episode or 2 after the midget is arrested, as I said before, but if you are adamant about no longer watching, I can't blame you. Season one of Game of Thrones is a tough sit through. No doubt about it. However, you do have to sit through it to get an idea of who everyone is to enjoy the later seasons. If you find yourself interested in what happens next after season one, you might just be hooked. Good luck and best wishes!! To be honest, your post just made me somehow less interested to continue. And for the record, I'm not a casual viewer of anything I watch. I fully invest in every show, comic book series, etc. that I take an interest in. Hell, when I find a music artist I like I can't rest until I have heard everything they have ever recorded. So I think the problem here is that it just plain wasn't interesting to me. And can everyone please stop calling Cole a 14 year old?
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Post by Goldenbane on Jan 14, 2015 1:00:41 GMT -5
Okay, please don't read any of what I type in hostile tones. I'm going to do my best not to come off as obnoxious or asshole-ish in this post. 1. Game of Thrones really isn't a show for the casual viewer. Don't expect to jump into any random episode and immediately know what's going on. This is NOT a knock against you, but the show does require a lot of attention to be paid. You said "some midget was hitting his brother for no reason." You missed a lot of info leading up to that scene. I know names are hard to get down after only one viewing, so there's nothing wrong with not knowing the midget's name, but that was his nephew he was slapping the shit out of, not his brother, and he was doing that because the pampered little snot was being very disrespectful to the Stark family (the people who owned the land/castle they were visiting, and whose child had been seriously hurt). The midget's brother is the guy who pushed the kid out of the window and hurt him in the first place. No one except the midget's brother and the midget's sister knows that it was the brother who pushed the kid out the window. There's tons of other informative stuff like this that's character development. You have to really pay attention to know what the hell is going on. It can be boring, but please believe me, it will come together, make sense, and make the show more enjoyable later on. 2. I was exactly where you were when watching season 1. The show back then was so damn plodding and slow. Some characters, at the time, I didn't give to shits about, but they seemed to be taking all the screen time. Please stick with it and plow on through! When the midget gets arrested, the show really starts to pick up in season one and most of the story elements begin to get more interesting. Beware scenes with Jon Snow and "The Wall." Some of that stuff is good, but throughout season one, IMO, it was by far the most boring stuff (along with anything having to do with Bran...the kid who got hurt). Both of these storylines DO pick up in the later seasons, and there are high spots here and there in season one. 3. If you're expecting some Superman like virtuous pure good loving mega baby face to pop up and thwart the forces of evil in Game of Thrones, you're going to be disappointed. A lot of the characters who come close to being that good actually get betrayed and murdered. Sadly, this is no super hero comic, and there's no coming back from the dead. If you stick with it, you might call me out on that last statement as it isn't entirely true...but, for the most part, yeah, it's pretty right on. A lot of the characters on the show are either extremely evil (you'll know them, believe me) or actually good with hints of grey. The midget, for example, likes to whore and drink a lot, but he's also possibly the most compassionate and caring character in the show (especially in seasons two and three). He can be a total smart ass, but he has reasons, whether justified or not. Most of the Stark family are very good people, but they can jump to conclusions too quickly and they make mistakes...putting trust into the wrong people. The show isn't really like Dungeons and Dragons or Lord of the Rings where you can point at any character and definitely say "He's lawful good!" or "He's chaotic neutral!" Some characters you can EASILY guess their alignment, but other characters are much harder to place. Anyway, if the show isn't for you, then damn it, it just isn't for you and that's the way it'll be! I will beg you to stick with it until maybe an episode or 2 after the midget is arrested, as I said before, but if you are adamant about no longer watching, I can't blame you. Season one of Game of Thrones is a tough sit through. No doubt about it. However, you do have to sit through it to get an idea of who everyone is to enjoy the later seasons. If you find yourself interested in what happens next after season one, you might just be hooked. Good luck and best wishes!! To be honest, your post just made me somehow less interested to continue. And for the record, I'm not a casual viewer of anything I watch. I fully invest in every show, comic book series, etc. that I take an interest in. Hell, when I find a music artist I like I can't rest until I have heard everything they have ever recorded. So I think the problem here is that it just plain wasn't interesting to me. And can everyone please stop calling Cole a 14 year old? You're coming off like you were offended by the "Casual fan" line I said. I wasn't insinuating you were a casual fan and not "worthy" or whatever, but your first post did kind of come off like "I sat through the opening credits and a little bit of the boring talking, then I started texting with a friend, went and threw a pizza in the oven, played around on my video games, came back and some midget was slapping the shit out of some other guy for no reason! If I wanted that, I'd just watch Hornswaggle, this show sucks ass!" I'm sure you didn't mean it to come off that way, but I did kinda read it that way. And just why can't people call that 14 year old little punk, Cole, a 14 year old? He's 14!
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Post by Danimal on Jan 14, 2015 1:17:52 GMT -5
It takes about half the first season before the show really starts going anywhere. I found it very slow to start, but man it's so worth it. Ya, the first season starts slow. There is so much in terms of characters and plots to establish that it does plod along. But it does finish strong. Successive seasons hit the ground running more and are a little easier to follow. Before last season I watched the previous season in chunks and dug it more. It's nice not having to wait for the next episode and I'm more on top of things so I can kick back and enjoy the ride more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 1:24:55 GMT -5
Random question for the fans of the show {Spoiler}Last time I saw any episode was involving a supernatural mist that killed people or was filled with ghosts or something. Was there any payoff to that?
I do plan on watching the show, but I want this spoiled to me now if possible
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 14, 2015 2:21:43 GMT -5
I enjoyed the first season, but everyone got progressively more unlikeable from there and I've not made in past the first episode of season three.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jan 14, 2015 2:22:10 GMT -5
Game of Thrones was also on my "Must Watch" for a long time but never really got round to it. However I finally did, After the first episode I was like "Meh, maybe this isn't for me" but I kept watching anyway and ended up really getting into it.. Have seen all the first 3 Seasons, but annoyingly have only seen the first of Season 4 as Virgin Media was unable to get it Soon as it's available on DVD however instant purchase.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jan 14, 2015 6:48:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll just echo what others have said and say you have to pay attention. If you just go into if for "LOL, TITS!", you're off to a bad start. And there's no comic relief. Gotta strap your serious pants on and enjoy the ride. If you can persevere, you'll enjoy it in no time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 6:49:49 GMT -5
To be honest, your post just made me somehow less interested to continue. And for the record, I'm not a casual viewer of anything I watch. I fully invest in every show, comic book series, etc. that I take an interest in. Hell, when I find a music artist I like I can't rest until I have heard everything they have ever recorded. So I think the problem here is that it just plain wasn't interesting to me. And can everyone please stop calling Cole a 14 year old? You're coming off like you were offended by the "Casual fan" line I said. I wasn't insinuating you were a casual fan and not "worthy" or whatever, but your first post did kind of come off like "I sat through the opening credits and a little bit of the boring talking, then I started texting with a friend, went and threw a pizza in the oven, played around on my video games, came back and some midget was slapping the shit out of some other guy for no reason! If I wanted that, I'd just watch Hornswaggle, this show sucks ass!" I'm sure you didn't mean it to come off that way, but I did kinda read it that way. And just why can't people call that 14 year old little punk, Cole, a 14 year old? He's 14! I wasn't offended at all. I was just saying that it was getting my full attention and the fact the so many things you said didn't sink in while I was watching probably means it just doesn't click with me or whatever. I felt like I was trying to enjoy it instead of enjoying it if that makes sense. And also when you elaborated on some of the themes of the show it just doesn't sound like something I'd be able to get into with time either. My wife really liked the few we watched though, so I'll try to get through a few more with her. Usually I have a three episode rule with a show though. If I'm still not hooked by e end of the third I don't bother with it. This is such a huge cultural phenomenon that I am willing to give it six or so though, but that will probably be it. If I still don't care after six freakin hours of it I will not be able to justify spending any more of my precious free time on it.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 14, 2015 9:00:23 GMT -5
Just personally, the characters and politics. The blood and boobs, meh, you could cut almost all of that out, I wouldn't care.
Watching it and seeing this world change from the big leading characters, into more of an entire world, gradually seeing who's pulling the strings.
Even the bits that aren't having any kind of immediate payoff, they're there, almost hanging over the entire action, you know when they do come in everything will change because everything in this world has consequences.
It's kinda like Breaking Bad in a fantasy setting to me, there's lots of dialogue, things take unexpected turns, and the general theme is "And then things got worse..."
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 14, 2015 10:33:30 GMT -5
Just personally, the characters and politics. The blood and boobs, meh, you could cut almost all of that out, I wouldn't care. Watching it and seeing this world change from the big leading characters, into more of an entire world, gradually seeing who's pulling the strings. Even the bits that aren't having any kind of immediate payoff, they're there, almost hanging over the entire action, you know when they do come in everything will change because everything in this world has consequences. It's kinda like Breaking Bad in a fantasy setting to me, there's lots of dialogue, things take unexpected turns, and the general theme is "And then things got worse..." I agreed about the blood and boobs. As much as that content is in the books, I do feel like they HBO'd it up way too much. See also, Littlefinger's American Psycho-esque scene in the brothel talking to the prostitutes. It turns it from an awesome show to an awesome show I can only share with people who can stomach the content. I can't imagine not getting immediately hooked into the show, but I had just read Game of Thrones for the first time a few months before the show came out. I've always enjoyed fantasy and sci fi, yet somehow the books never got on my radar. Strange thing is there was even a copy of it in my parents house, but no one in the family knew how it got there and no one had read it. (It likely came there in bulk in one of our book exchanges with our cousins. We always circulate books around the family)
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Post by clifford on Jan 14, 2015 10:53:03 GMT -5
If you've tried a few episodes and it aint your thing, just stop watching.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 14, 2015 11:11:27 GMT -5
The main appeal of the show for me is the same as any other: you've got compelling characters interacting with one another. It's well shot and well written (though there are some moments where there's a little too much speechifying). I enjoy the world that's been created, and there's a bunch of solid actors working with the material they've been given.
The story is dark. The good guys often suffer horribly (or cause others to suffer) because of their own moral virtues. But I find that another one of the show's strengths.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 14, 2015 14:17:10 GMT -5
So after like three or four years of hearing people rave about this, I decided to give it a shot. It seemed right up my alley. A show with swords, dragons, and naked chicks everywhere. I had heard that it was intriguing and had depth to it. I must have missed something, because I watched a few episodes and did not like it at all. People stood around talking, having conversations that seemed to go nowhere. A midget kept hitting his brother for no reason during a conversation. A guy looked at his sister naked and then told her he'd let 40,000 men have sex with her to get their home back. Everyone on this show acted like a total asshole except for a little boy who was then killed. Another little boy cut the cheek of yet another little boy while a little girl screamed for him to stop. No one on this show is likeable, no one is the hero, and nothing really happens. There weren't even any funny one liners from anyone for comic relief from all the dickery. What is the big deal about this show? I'm not trying to start a hate thread, if people like it that's cool and I hope they enjoy themselves while watching it. I guess I just need to vent a little because I'm so disappointed. I went into this thinking I was going to see an amazing show like Spartacus or something along those lines, or maybe a Lord Of The Rings with more sex. It was just dull in every way imaginable. It even has a boring look to it. It's very cold and lifeless feeling. For those of you who enjoy it, can you maybe explain why you like it or why it appeals to you? I'm wondering if I missed something or just didn't "get it" or whatever. I am the same. Heard how great it was. Got season 1 and gave up after 3 episodes. But I have found that most HBO dramas aren't for me. Heard how great OZ was. Watched a season or 2 and didn't care for it. Sopranos is ok at best. The only HBO drama I thought lived up to the hype was Boardwalk Empire.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 14, 2015 14:28:24 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like it's the show for you, I don't even think sticking with will change your mind.
I get the feeling you'd like Strikeback though.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jan 14, 2015 14:55:36 GMT -5
I think it's a show where when it's good it's really good and when it's bad it's f***ing terrible. I've watched it since the beginning but every year I care less and less. It didn't help that season three was getting to be a JJ Abrams sized mess of too many characters and shit my little brain couldn't wrap itself around.
Honestly, I don't think it's a very good show but I watch it because 1) it's on and 2) I've made it this far so I may as well keep going.
That South Park clip does A good job of summing up how I feel about it. It's some fat virgin vicariously living out his fantasies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 14:58:15 GMT -5
You know its weird. I love the tv series and I love the books. I'm that sad person who both bought the The World of Ice and Fire but has read it. Twice.
But a couple of weeks ago I was visiting my mum and turned on the tv to see an episode from season 4 randomly playing. Being a hopeless addict I settled in to watch. And it was... odd. It was like watching an episode half way through made me realize not only how much of a soap opera it is (with violence and nudity!!!) but how bad some of the acting was. The scene that made me shudder was dialogue between Littlefinger and Sansa. And whilst I've always defended the performance of both actors until now (esp. Gillen, Wire fo' life bitch), it was excruciating, like watching the worst of daytime soap operas.
I love Game of Thrones and I will always be a fan, but that moment did make me realise how, to an outside viewer, this stuff can look really goddamn silly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 16:18:13 GMT -5
A Song of Ice and Fire is just like any other major fantasy franchise, like LoTR or The Elder Scrolls. If you want to get into it, you're going to have to put a LOT of time and effort into it, reading about the setting, the characters, the lore and everything else. It's quite an investment, but if you do that and you start to enjoy it, then that's how you know it's paying off. I'm big into SoIaF and TES, not so much on LoTR, so it really varies from person to person.
There are plenty of likeable characters in GoT. They reveal themselves as the show goes on. And the show gets better from season to season. Season 2 is better than Season 1. Season 3 is better than Season 2. Season 4 was the best one yet.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 14, 2015 16:56:16 GMT -5
It is pretty good, but don't expect it to get any more pleasant. Honestly the fourth season really turned me off because at a certain point you're like, okay, the only guy in this show who cracks jokes is having his life ruined, and everyone else is getting raped or murdered. I have no one to root for. Why do I give a f*** what happens in this universe?
So if you can get invested, by all means do so, but don't expect it to get cheerier.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 17:18:05 GMT -5
It's one of those things I knew I wouldn't like from the first second. I get the appeal and apparently the writing is superb, but aesthetically i was turned off immediately.
The fantasy genre eludes me, almost as a rule.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 14, 2015 18:56:52 GMT -5
It took me a few solid tries to get through the first couple episodes as well. I just couldn't care about politics and the Starks and Lannisters hating each other. However, I look at the first season as a preface... it establishes the rules, it establishes that anyone can die at any time, nobody and nothing is sacred, and shows upheaval and danger in every corner of Westeros. The following seasons pick up and you can find yourself invested over time. But initially... yeah, it's kinda hard to see a point for a few episodes.
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