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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 10:37:40 GMT -5
As a Patriot fan I still don't see the issue. Deflated balls should've been an issue for both teams and the game should've been closer by that logic then. Let's be honest here. A deflated ball doesn't explain, excuse, or even prove a blowout of that fashion. If the ball is much easier to throw, grip on to, and prevent fumbles in the process then the Colts should've had the same advantage with said ball as well thus creating a much closer game. It wouldn't surprise me one bit of this is just a media storm to discredit the Patriots, Bill, and their fanbase by giving the Colts and some of their fanbase an excuse as to why they lost. Here's what someone posted on the NFL article via AOL: "Doesn't sound like cheating took place. For all of the histrionics on this page...read the rule: "Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for game shield in outdoor stadiums. The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game. " If the balls were under inflated then it appears the head Referee wasn't doing his job. Both teams played with the same game balls. Whaaaaaa...the Colts lost, get over it." What I don't get is why every time someone talks about Deflate Gate or what ever the NFL will call this, why must people hammer home the Pats would still win? I haven't seen a single person say the Pats won because of it. But I guess people have to so others will know just how bad Colts are. Also the issue is its against the rules of the NFL. Thats why people care. Plus it seems the balls were deflated after the ball check. (I'm not positive on when they deflated the balls but it was brought to their attention in the 2nd quarter.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 10:43:34 GMT -5
Calling people who are against the Patriots knuckle dragging Neanderthals and paint chip eaters makes you look so petty. This is the kind of fans the Patriots have? Name callers? Take your head out of the sand. A cheater is a cheater is a cheater. If you wanna defend a bunch of cheater that's your prerogative, but you look absolutely foolish in how you're doing it. You know, if you are a Patriots fan, you can act like a pompous jerk as long as your team backs it up, which they can. However, just because you can does not mean that you should. I know that our human nature hates it when other people say mean things about something you love, but when it feels like it can be a constant, don't make yourselves out to be pariahs or condemn the critics as if they rode the short bus to school. But, what really bugs me is how people still think this is sour grapes from Colts fans about losing (especially what with an Indianapolis TV reporter being the guy who made the announcement). Most Colts fans know New England walloped them, and we won't get to the Super Bowl unless we figure out how to beat New England or simply wait until Tom Brady moves on and hope that Garappola doesn't work out. Like I said; the Patriots could be using a pet rock instead of a football and they still would have won by at least 28 points. The issue isn't whether or not New England had an unfair advantage, but rather why would New England resort to this in spite of the fact that they have a deeper roster, more reliable players, and home-field advantage? Cheating is one thing, but resorting to cheating in spite of the overwhelming superiority is another, and that is where the majority of the criticism lies.
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Post by BRV on Jan 21, 2015 10:43:38 GMT -5
So if we're all cool with suspending Bill Belichick for a year, considering he's a "repeat offender", we're good with suspending Aaron Rodgers for at least a few games for being a first-time offender, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 10:46:13 GMT -5
What I don't get is why every time someone talks about Deflate Gate or what ever the NFL will call this, why must people hammer home the Pats would still win? I haven't seen a single person say the Pats won because of it. But I guess people have to so others will know just how bad Colts are. Also the issue is its against the rules of the NFL. Thats why people care. Plus it seems the balls were deflated after the ball check. (I'm not positive on when they deflated the balls but it was brought to their attention in the 2nd quarter.) I think the issue is not to put down the Colts (as even Colts fans state the fact), but like I had just mentioned, try to reinforce the fact that the Patriots didn't need to do this to win, and that this is more than just an isolated incident, but rather a culture of cheating that flies in the fact of the integrity of the game, yet feel they can get away with it because they are a ratings mover and shaker and, in essence, have the commissioner in the plam of their hands.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 21, 2015 10:46:26 GMT -5
Why can't we just all get along and band together to fight the real problem?
The real problem being that Brett Favre isn't being talked about.
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Post by BRV on Jan 21, 2015 10:52:36 GMT -5
I think the issue is not to put down the Colts (as even Colts fans state the fact), but like I had just mentioned, try to reinforce the fact that the Patriots didn't need to do this to win, and that this is more than just an isolated incident, but rather a culture of cheating that flies in the fact of the integrity of the game, yet feel they can get away with it because they are a ratings mover and shaker and, in essence, have the commissioner in the plam of their hands. Two incidents over an eight-year period is a culture of cheating? And how do the Patriots have the commissioner in the palm of their hands more than any other franchise? Roger Goodell in 2007 docked Bill Belichick $500,000 - at the time, the largest fine for a coach in NFL history and the maximum allowable under league rules - and stripped a first-round draft pick, which to that point was never done. To most, that looks like a slap on the wrist, but under the league's rules, it was the largest penalty possible.
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Post by The Shareholder is nude on Jan 21, 2015 10:53:44 GMT -5
Nothing will happen for the same reason Nick Saban and Alabama get away with everything shady they do: The Networks want the sure fire ratings winners in the championship as much as possible.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 21, 2015 10:56:40 GMT -5
Why can't we just all get along and band together to fight the real problem? The real problem being that Brett Favre isn't being talked about. I thought Manziel was the topic of discussion?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 10:57:33 GMT -5
I think the issue is not to put down the Colts (as even Colts fans state the fact), but like I had just mentioned, try to reinforce the fact that the Patriots didn't need to do this to win, and that this is more than just an isolated incident, but rather a culture of cheating that flies in the fact of the integrity of the game, yet feel they can get away with it because they are a ratings mover and shaker and, in essence, have the commissioner in the plam of their hands. Two incidents over an eight-year period is a culture of cheating? And how do the Patriots have the commissioner in the palm of their hands more than any other franchise? Roger Goodell in 2007 docked Bill Belichick $500,000 - at the time, the largest fine for a coach in NFL history and the maximum allowable under league rules - and stripped a first-round draft pick, which to that point was never done. To most, that looks like a slap on the wrist, but under the league's rules, it was the largest penalty possible. That was the largest penalty ever done, but you also have to realize that the team New England itself is a household name, and will get the attention of all sorts of viewers. Sure, a lot of them probably are gonna watch it in hopes of seeing New England lose, but if you are the NFL, do you really want to do anything significant to your bread and butter? And... 2007 Roger Goodell is completely different from 2015 Roger Goodell.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 21, 2015 10:59:17 GMT -5
As a Patriot fan I still don't see the issue. Deflated balls should've been an issue for both teams and the game should've been closer by that logic then. Let's be honest here. A deflated ball doesn't explain, excuse, or even prove a blowout of that fashion. If the ball is much easier to throw, grip on to, and prevent fumbles in the process then the Colts should've had the same advantage with said ball as well thus creating a much closer game. It wouldn't surprise me one bit of this is just a media storm to discredit the Patriots, Bill, and their fanbase by giving the Colts and some of their fanbase an excuse as to why they lost. Here's what someone posted on the NFL article via AOL: "Doesn't sound like cheating took place. For all of the histrionics on this page...read the rule: "Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for game shield in outdoor stadiums. The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game. " If the balls were under inflated then it appears the head Referee wasn't doing his job. Both teams played with the same game balls. Whaaaaaa...the Colts lost, get over it." What I don't get is why every time someone talks about Deflate Gate or what ever the NFL will call this, why must people hammer home the Pats would still win? I haven't seen a single person say the Pats won because of it. But I guess people have to so others will know just how bad Colts are. Also the issue is its against the rules of the NFL. Thats why people care. Plus it seems the balls were deflated after the ball check. (I'm not positive on when they deflated the balls but it was brought to their attention in the 2nd quarter.) Because a lot of people are saying the Patriots won because of the deflated footballs.
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Post by BRV on Jan 21, 2015 11:00:46 GMT -5
That was the largest penalty ever done, but you also have to realize that the team New England itself is a household name, and will get the attention of all sorts of viewers. Sure, a lot of them probably are gonna watch it in hopes of seeing New England lose, but if you are the NFL, do you really want to do anything significant to your bread and butter? And... 2007 Roger Goodell is completely different from 2015 Roger Goodell. So I'm struggling with the point you're trying to convey, and please don't interpret this as me being condescending. But do you think the NFL will take it easy on the Patriots, because they are a household name, or will the league come down with the hammer of God on the Patriots because Goodell now is a different man than he was eight years ago? Also, for a point of reference on everything related to this (sigh) controversy, please read this: www.sportsonearth.com/article/107011990/new-england-patriots-deflategate-super-bowl-belichick
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 21, 2015 11:02:52 GMT -5
I think the issue is not to put down the Colts (as even Colts fans state the fact), but like I had just mentioned, try to reinforce the fact that the Patriots didn't need to do this to win, and that this is more than just an isolated incident, but rather a culture of cheating that flies in the fact of the integrity of the game, yet feel they can get away with it because they are a ratings mover and shaker and, in essence, have the commissioner in the plam of their hands. Two incidents over an eight-year period is a culture of cheating? And how do the Patriots have the commissioner in the palm of their hands more than any other franchise? Roger Goodell in 2007 docked Bill Belichick $500,000 - at the time, the largest fine for a coach in NFL history and the maximum allowable under league rules - and stripped a first-round draft pick, which to that point was never done. To most, that looks like a slap on the wrist, but under the league's rules, it was the largest penalty possible. Also let's be realistic. The Patriots were on the verge of making history with a possible undefeated Super Bowl victory, they lost to the Giants. Every single media outlet in the world wanted the Patriots to win, every supposed expert predicted the Patriots would win, and given the amount of money and coverage that would've manifested had they won is something we all can agree on would've been nauseating. They lost to the Giants and lost to the Giants again in a Super Bowl rematch. This isn't the NBA where it's obvious certain big market teams get the calls, get the championships, and favor from the commissioner.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 11:07:47 GMT -5
That was the largest penalty ever done, but you also have to realize that the team New England itself is a household name, and will get the attention of all sorts of viewers. Sure, a lot of them probably are gonna watch it in hopes of seeing New England lose, but if you are the NFL, do you really want to do anything significant to your bread and butter? And... 2007 Roger Goodell is completely different from 2015 Roger Goodell. So I'm struggling with the point you're trying to convey, and please don't interpret this as me being condescending. But do you think the NFL will take it easy on the Patriots, because they are a household name, or will the league come down with the hammer of God on the Patriots because Goodell now is a different man than he was eight years ago? Also, for a point of reference on everything related to this (sigh) controversy, please read this: www.sportsonearth.com/article/107011990/new-england-patriots-deflategate-super-bowl-belichickWell, as far as I'm concerned, all you really can do is take away the 1st Round pick (not that New England ever uses it for any significance) and a $500,000 fine. That's the realistic punishment. But, a general collective feels that Goodell needs to do more, which just isn't possible.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 21, 2015 11:13:53 GMT -5
As a Patriot fan I still don't see the issue. Deflated balls should've been an issue for both teams and the game should've been closer by that logic then. Let's be honest here. A deflated ball doesn't explain, excuse, or even prove a blowout of that fashion. If the ball is much easier to throw, grip on to, and prevent fumbles in the process then the Colts should've had the same advantage with said ball as well thus creating a much closer game. It wouldn't surprise me one bit of this is just a media storm to discredit the Patriots, Bill, and their fanbase by giving the Colts and some of their fanbase an excuse as to why they lost. Here's what someone posted on the NFL article via AOL: "Doesn't sound like cheating took place. For all of the histrionics on this page...read the rule: "Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for game shield in outdoor stadiums. The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game. " If the balls were under inflated then it appears the head Referee wasn't doing his job. Both teams played with the same game balls. Whaaaaaa...the Colts lost, get over it." Not true. Each team have there own set of balls on Offense. Now the issue that you may draw a case if that underflated balls would also effect how you kick the ball for extra points or field goals. I can't see a softer ball help out the kicker.
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Post by BRV on Jan 21, 2015 11:24:36 GMT -5
Not true. Each team have there own set of balls on Offense. Now the issue that you may draw a case if that underflated balls would also effect how you kick the ball for extra points or field goals. I can't see a softer ball help out the kicker. The league handles kicking balls. They're kept separately from each team's game balls, sealed, and delivered directly to officials.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 21, 2015 11:27:55 GMT -5
The amount of hand waiving and disgust by some Pats fans here and elsewhere at people who are sick of seeing a franchise cheat and get away with it is sad. Instead of pushing for their team to dare do Ithings the right way, they ignore those issue to to call fans names who won't forget that this isn't a first time screw up and they most likely have been clean in years. There are good Pats fans no doubt, it is just a shame the looney, conspiracy theory loving ones trying to hide behind every possible excuse as to why their cheating is fine and any outrage comes from jealousy or stupidity is only causing the arguements to grow and ruin it for all of them. I feel for those fans, those fans don't deserve it and the players don't deserve to have their hard work tainted like this because management doesn't trust them or themselves appearently. The NFL needs to make a legit example of this team, money isn't going to cut it, management needs to be hit extremely hard with time away from the team, suspensions, no pay, no contact, and even that is letting them off light.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 11:36:16 GMT -5
Marty Mornhinweg is the new Ravens QB coach. Good riddance.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 21, 2015 11:39:26 GMT -5
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 21, 2015 11:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 21, 2015 11:55:17 GMT -5
I think the issue is not to put down the Colts (as even Colts fans state the fact), but like I had just mentioned, try to reinforce the fact that the Patriots didn't need to do this to win, and that this is more than just an isolated incident, but rather a culture of cheating that flies in the fact of the integrity of the game, yet feel they can get away with it because they are a ratings mover and shaker and, in essence, have the commissioner in the plam of their hands. Two incidents over an eight-year period is a culture of cheating? If some of the things that were said on ESPN this morning are accurate then Patriots fans might want to dial back to not look foolish later (though this is more aimed at some of the more visceral responses from Patriots fans I have seen rather than your response). First, it is a known fact that the reason that the NFL smacked the Patriots and Belichick so hard for Spygate is that the Patriots were caught recording the signals illegally in the previous season, were warned not to do it again, and then did it at least two games into the next season. That means it was not an isolated incident by itself, but rather they got in trouble for being a repeat offender for breaking that rule. Second, it was stated this morning that the reason why the Colts noticed the deflated balls and the refs did not is because the Colts were on the lookout for it because they noticed that the balls that Mike Adams intercepted in their game against the Pats earlier this season were underinflated in that game. They obviously did not file a complaint at that time, but I don't think I would have either. Looking at how many people have a knee-jerk reaction of "Cry me a river, Colts! You just suck, you sore losers!", I would not have wanted to listen to that over what amounted to a meaningless regular season game. If that last point is true, that suggests that it is a regular practice by the Patriots. I don't imagine that they only did it for games against the Colts. I imagine that they did it for EVERY game. This is just the first one that they got in trouble for. If that is true, there have been a number of close games in the last few seasons that are now far more suspect for the Patriots than this last game. Additionally, Tom Brady's smug response on Monday to the accusation sounds even worse today. He handled those balls more than anyone else. There is no way that he could not have felt that those game balls were different from the other game balls he has played with through the years...unless they WEREN'T different. Either he is a smarmy asshole that knew damned good and well that they were cheating in that game or he was clueless because they cheated so often that he could not feel a difference. Both possibilities are pretty damning. I ask you, which scenario would you prefer?
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