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Post by Spider2024 on Apr 22, 2015 14:48:59 GMT -5
Is it just me, or do the NFC East get way too many SNF games?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 22, 2015 14:52:45 GMT -5
The snark isn't necessary, nor appreciated. I am not talking about Browns fans, nor did I insult your team. I am talking about NFL fans in general. Browns fans alone aren't likely to have driven the sales that much because the Browns are a mid-market team. Historically speaking, unless a player has massive league-wide appeal a player from a team with a market that size are not going to be top sellers. Unless every single one of you Browns fans thought he was going to be their team's savior (though, if that really is the case it is much funnier), that means that somehow Manziel managed to gain more nationwide appeal than a number of stars who either had the advantage of being on much larger market teams or actually have a track record of being successful in the NFL. He had a big fanbase in college at a big program, so those fans followed him to the NFL. Also with the except of Beckham, all those guys had been playing for a few years, big time rookies usually sell a lot of jerseys. Tebow was a massive jersey seller, and there's no doubt he'll sell a lot of Eagles jerseys. I guess that is where no longer caring about college football gets me. He went to Texas A&M, right? I thought the luster on that program had gone down in recent years. As far as comparing rookies versus long term stars, the top sellers were Wilson, Manning, and Brady. I'm pretty sure people have had the chance to buy their merch plenty of times in the previous couple of years. First off, you used the QB stat ESPN literally invented out of nowhere. Secondly, the Browns have a really good following. That's what matters more in the NFL. Cleveland isn't a huge market, but neither is DC or Pittsburgh or Green Bay. But they ALL support their team more than bigger markets. Phoenix, San Diego, and Miami are larger markets than most of those listed and they all have very fickle followings. And Manziel was a rookie, so no one had his jersey yet. And he had hype. And he was a quarterback. And he got ironic sales, like Tebow. Look at RGIII, he was the #1 selling jersey his rookie year. I quoted the QBR stat since it looked worse, but his traditional QB rating was still pretty abysmal. You cannot say that market sizes don't matter. I mean, you are right that strong followings are important (otherwise Packers sales would be terrible), but larger market teams get on more TV screens, even outside of their market. They get more press. They are likely to get the attention of more casual fans who normally don't buy merch and might attract their business as a result. As far as ironic sales go, who in the hell spends a minimum of $50 on a gag gift?
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Post by Ganon83 on Apr 22, 2015 15:01:04 GMT -5
If market sizes really mattered where is the LA team?
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Post by sfvega on Apr 22, 2015 15:15:54 GMT -5
I quoted the QBR stat since it looked worse, but his traditional QB rating was still pretty abysmal. You cannot say that market sizes don't matter. I mean, you are right that strong followings are important (otherwise Packers sales would be terrible), but larger market teams get on more TV screens, even outside of their market. They get more press. They are likely to get the attention of more casual fans who normally don't buy merch and might attract their business as a result. As far as ironic sales go, who in the hell spends a minimum of $50 on a gag gift? He wasn't a good QB regardless, I just think it's funny that the stat ESPN invented in seemingly a marketing ploy is catching on. You've got it completely wrong in market size. Again, who gets more coverage the Cardinals, the Chargers, or the Redskins? Firstly, the team with someone involved in the hype machine. Secondly, the team with a following. Thirdly, the team on the East Coast. That's who ESPN sells and goes after. Look at how Manti Teo fell off after going from ND and a well-followed, hyped, East Coast team to a West Coast team in a very big market. Manziel doesn't need to be on a big market team to get press. He's a media darling. He gets more press alone than some entire teams do. In terms of jersey sales, followings matter a ton. Green Bay always buys up jerseys. That's why Clay Matthews is up there. Pittsburgh as well. Those are smaller markets, always willing to dish out money. In terms of SALES, that matters. St. Louis is a bigger market than Pittsburgh, but no one cares about football, so their population means nothing. San Diego is one of the biggest markets in the the US, and they're right there with St. Louis in trying to move to LA. LA, of course, being the 2nd biggest market in the entire country which lost both of it's teams many years ago and has gone without football since. Market means something to a few teams and their coverage (Boston/NY). But overall, in the NFL, it doesn't mean a ton. Especially in merch sales. And I mentioned ironic sales lastly for a reason. You don't buy your mom a Manziel jersey, obviously. But do you know how many stupid college kids probably look up to Money Manziel and his partying ways? Probably way, way too many.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 22, 2015 15:22:09 GMT -5
TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports the Browns are the "front runners" to trade up and acquire Oregon QB Marcus Mariota. If I'm Marcus I refuse to go there Good god almighty, how many QB's do the Browns need to piss through?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 22, 2015 15:47:30 GMT -5
The NFL has come down hard on Dallas Cowboys' new signee Greg Hardy, suspending him 10 games without pay.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 22, 2015 15:56:35 GMT -5
TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports the Browns are the "front runners" to trade up and acquire Oregon QB Marcus Mariota. If I'm Marcus I refuse to go there Good god almighty, how many QB's do the Browns need to piss through? As many as it takes to get a franchise QB. I don't agree on drafting Manziel and then just writing him off. That type of fickleness with almost ensure you never find THE guy. But if you are saying he isn't the guy, you go after a QB you think can be. But pre-draft talk is almost always posturing.
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Post by bob on Apr 22, 2015 16:47:20 GMT -5
The NFL has come down hard on Dallas Cowboys' new signee Greg Hardy, suspending him 10 games without pay. He got off too easy
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 22, 2015 16:48:59 GMT -5
The NFL has come down hard on Dallas Cowboys' new signee Greg Hardy, suspending him 10 games without pay. He got off too easy Yeah, they made sure his first game back would be against the Panthers on Thanksgiving. Hopefully, we can send him the receipt for the money he cost us with that BS.
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Post by BRV on Apr 22, 2015 18:24:29 GMT -5
The NFL has come down hard on Dallas Cowboys' new signee Greg Hardy, suspending him 10 games without pay. He got off too easy I've seen this sentiment a lot lately, and I'm genuinely curious: for those who felt that Greg Hardy's 10-game suspension, on top of the 15 games he missed in 2014, was too lenient, what should the penalty have been? A lifetime ban? Because that's basically the only other way to say that missing 25 games in two seasons is not enough. For the sake of comparison, Michael Vick was charged, found guilty, sentenced, and served jail time for his role with Bad Newz Kennels. He missed the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons. That's basically a 32-game suspension. Should that be the benchmark? Should Greg Hardy miss all of 2015 and one game in 2016?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 22, 2015 18:35:36 GMT -5
I've seen this sentiment a lot lately, and I'm genuinely curious: for those who felt that Greg Hardy's 10-game suspension, on top of the 15 games he missed in 2014, was too lenient, what should the penalty have been? A lifetime ban? Because that's basically the only other way to say that missing 25 games in two seasons is not enough. For the sake of comparison, Michael Vick was charged, found guilty, sentenced, and served jail time for his role with Bad Newz Kennels. He missed the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons. That's basically a 32-game suspension. Should that be the benchmark? Should Greg Hardy miss all of 2015 and one game in 2016? I don't know and don't really know if the punishment is too light. I just find it convenient as all hell that the first game he is allowed back is against the Panthers.
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Post by stealthamo on Apr 22, 2015 18:37:05 GMT -5
TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports the Browns are the "front runners" to trade up and acquire Oregon QB Marcus Mariota. If I'm Marcus I refuse to go there Good god almighty, how many QB's do the Browns need to piss through? This many.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 22, 2015 19:58:23 GMT -5
Two year, $8 million deal for Greg Jennings in Miami.
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Post by bob on Apr 22, 2015 20:33:04 GMT -5
I've seen this sentiment a lot lately, and I'm genuinely curious: for those who felt that Greg Hardy's 10-game suspension, on top of the 15 games he missed in 2014, was too lenient, what should the penalty have been? A lifetime ban? Because that's basically the only other way to say that missing 25 games in two seasons is not enough. For the sake of comparison, Michael Vick was charged, found guilty, sentenced, and served jail time for his role with Bad Newz Kennels. He missed the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons. That's basically a 32-game suspension. Should that be the benchmark? Should Greg Hardy miss all of 2015 and one game in 2016? He got paid for all 16 games last year, that ain't a punishment. I'd give him a full season and then revisit the issue in the upcoming offseason.
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Post by bob on Apr 22, 2015 20:37:55 GMT -5
Two year, $8 million deal for Greg Jennings in Miami.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 22, 2015 20:39:31 GMT -5
Dan had a good point on his show today It's not a good thing Goodell having all this power
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Post by sfvega on Apr 22, 2015 20:48:10 GMT -5
I've seen this sentiment a lot lately, and I'm genuinely curious: for those who felt that Greg Hardy's 10-game suspension, on top of the 15 games he missed in 2014, was too lenient, what should the penalty have been? A lifetime ban? Because that's basically the only other way to say that missing 25 games in two seasons is not enough. For the sake of comparison, Michael Vick was charged, found guilty, sentenced, and served jail time for his role with Bad Newz Kennels. He missed the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons. That's basically a 32-game suspension. Should that be the benchmark? Should Greg Hardy miss all of 2015 and one game in 2016? He got paid for all 16 games last year, that ain't a punishment. I'd give him a full season and then revisit the issue in the upcoming offseason. Yeah, it kind of is. Fine him if you want, but NFL players only have so many years in them, and he just lost almost full one any way you slice it. He was 2nd team All Pro in 2013, and then signed a one year deal with a new team on the open market. I hate domestic violence, but that incident has cost him a lot of games and a lot of money. If he played anywhere near his 21 level last year, do you know what kind of money he's looking at? And how much guaranteed money? The guy is paying the price. And this is after the Ray Rice 2 game suspension debacle. If Rice had been suspended 25 games from the word go, this whole issue might have not blown up the way it did. Let's not forget that Rice is out there free to sign at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 20:59:24 GMT -5
He got paid for all 16 games last year, that ain't a punishment. I'd give him a full season and then revisit the issue in the upcoming offseason. Yeah, it kind of is. Fine him if you want, but NFL players only have so many years in them, and he just lost almost full one any way you slice it. He was 2nd team All Pro in 2013, and then signed a one year deal with a new team on the open market. I hate domestic violence, but that incident has cost him a lot of games and a lot of money. If he played anywhere near his 21 level last year, do you know what kind of money he's looking at? And how much guaranteed money? The guy is paying the price. And this is after the Ray Rice 2 game suspension debacle. If Rice had been suspended 25 games from the word go, this whole issue might have not blown up the way it did. Let's not forget that Rice is out there free to sign at this point. Not to divert this discourse to something else, but what Hardy did/was accused of doing is way worse than Ray Rice punching his wife. Don't get me wrong, what rice did was wrong any way that you slice it, but Hardy "allegedly" terrorized that woman to the point that she feared for her life. That should hold some weight once the NFL is done investigating.
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Post by JTH on Apr 22, 2015 21:39:27 GMT -5
NFL has all NFC headline the first Sunday Night Game, and duel Monday Nighters, as all NFC Thanksgiving 2 years in a row.
Does the NFL still hate the AFC or something?
This is getting close to "MLB having the All-Star Game in 4 NL parks in a row" bad.
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Post by Ganon83 on Apr 22, 2015 21:49:26 GMT -5
NFL has all NFC headline the first Sunday Night Game, and duel Monday Nighters, as all NFC Thanksgiving 2 years in a row. Does the NFL still hate the AFC or something? This is getting close to "MLB having the All-Star Game in 4 NL parks in a row" bad. If I remember right the AFC's biggest match up is the the Sunday night game following Thanksgiving (Broncos vs Patriots), so that's something
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