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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 14:53:16 GMT -5
Literally nobody is stopping anyone from celebrating it. It's just I don't give a shit about another Parker movie and said my own reasons.
Whether or not anyone else wants to see more Parker doesn't affect my opinion in the slightest. I also wish mainstream comics in general wasn't such ass that these discussions sprang up, but we have to deal with the world we live in not the world we want.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 10, 2015 14:59:12 GMT -5
X-Men... should remain separate, however. I agree. In my honest opinion, the whole "Mutants are allegory to real-world racism/prejudice" completely falls apart when you have the general public beloving just about every other Superhero. While X-Men should stay seperate, I still kind of feel like Wolverine should somehow end up in the MCU, despite how overhyped he generally is...
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 10, 2015 15:01:38 GMT -5
Cool. Didn't take long for the most exciting comic movie news in ages to become a soapbox for racial discussions, and thinly veiled accusations of racism. Awesome. Even when we win, we lose They weren't thinly veiled at all. They were out-and-out, as they usually are.
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Post by Zabel Zarock on Feb 10, 2015 15:02:11 GMT -5
Here's the big difference, their is nothing intrinsically White about Peter, being white is not a core part of his being at all. The Black Panther comparison is so f***ing weak & foolish it just makes you look bad. no offense, but you completely miss the point. my point about casting the Black Panther it was rhetorical. the point is if you're going to make a movie about a character, get it right or don't do it at all. and yes there is something about Peter that is inherently "white" about him, he is a reflection of the time he was created in. just like the character Miles is a product of the time and society he was created in, (which is more diverse). and there is nothing wrong with either one. it's just the way it is. ok, Yo f*** off with the false sincerity B Also thank this thread for reminding me of exactly why comics don't grow
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Post by Zombie Mod on Feb 10, 2015 15:10:32 GMT -5
no offense, but you completely miss the point. my point about casting the Black Panther it was rhetorical. the point is if you're going to make a movie about a character, get it right or don't do it at all. and yes there is something about Peter that is inherently "white" about him, he is a reflection of the time he was created in. just like the character Miles is a product of the time and society he was created in, (which is more diverse). and there is nothing wrong with either one. it's just the way it is. ok, Yo f*** off with the false sincerity B Also thank this thread for reminding me of exactly why comics don't grow bye.
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Post by the2ndevil on Feb 10, 2015 15:23:24 GMT -5
I just think the character would work better on an episodic format that builds up to bigger event type stories. Oh, I don't disagree. But that direction is gone since they didn't do it from the beginning. I could've sworn they said the character will appear in the upcoming Daredevil series on Netflix, so not all hope is lost in that department. I wasn't aware of the possibility of the character appearing on the Daredevil series. Could be a good way to integrate the character.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Feb 10, 2015 15:24:26 GMT -5
Oh, I don't disagree. But that direction is gone since they didn't do it from the beginning. I could've sworn they said the character will appear in the upcoming Daredevil series on Netflix, so not all hope is lost in that department. I wasn't aware of the possibility of the character appearing on the Daredevil series. Could be a good way to integrate the character. Death of Jean Dewolf adaptation. (This is a command, not a suggestion)
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 10, 2015 15:24:34 GMT -5
Honestly I think it can be a very interesting debate, but it never is because one side takes such an extreme. I think the debate about bringing Miles into the MCU is actually a good one since he DOES have a good back story and is an interesting character. Hell, they could bring Miguel O'Hara into the MCU and I'm sure it'd work.
But seriously anytime news comes out about a comic movie people start coming up with race which always derails the thread. I mean I get wanting more diversity, but I really don't think Marvel is actively being racist... nor do I think DC is. If Luke Cage, Falcon, or Panther were cast by white actors? Yeah then you have a point.
Of course, personally I think Marvel has been more conservative with what storylines they bring to the big screen. I'm sure as we get into phase 4 you'll start to see different things being done.
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Post by the2ndevil on Feb 10, 2015 15:30:23 GMT -5
I think a Spider-Man team up could be a good way to introduce Miles to the movie only fans at large, before they try to bring him to the forefront.
I'm not a comic reader. I know of Miles, but really couldn't tell you anything about his character.
Plus, a Team-Up movie would be awesome for the fact it's a Spider-man team up movie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 15:59:12 GMT -5
Honestly I think it can be a very interesting debate, but it never is because one side takes such an extreme. I think the debate about bringing Miles into the MCU is actually a good one since he DOES have a good back story and is an interesting character. Hell, they could bring Miguel O'Hara into the MCU and I'm sure it'd work. But seriously anytime news comes out about a comic movie people start coming up with race which always derails the thread. I mean I get wanting more diversity, but I really don't think Marvel is actively being racist... nor do I think DC is. If Luke Cage, Falcon, or Panther were cast by white actors? Yeah then you have a point. Of course, personally I think Marvel has been more conservative with what storylines they bring to the big screen. I'm sure as we get into phase 4 you'll start to see different things being done. Oh, nah man. Nobody, especially me, said Kevin Feige and the MCU Illuminati are in a dimly lit room, twirling their devilish mustaches, and literally launching Mark Ruffalo in to space. The problem basically is all Marvel has to do is to...not think. Because it takes someone at a higher level to actively think about how it's going to look for these movies to get pushed back for yet another Peter Parker/Spider-Man movie. So we get Peter Parker/Spider-Man finagling his way into an already crowded phase that just so happens to push back the one solo movie headed by a black dude and the lone solo movie headed by a white woman. Yes, those movies actually do mean more than another Thor sequel or the Inhuman movie. The sad thing for me really is they actually might have considered how that would look, but just expected fandom to not give a shit and for it all to blow over, which I assume it will. ...or Marvel actually would be awesome and in fact is making a Miles Morales/Spider-Man movie that has Peter Parker being killed off in the first ten minutes, we just don't know about it yet. But that's a real long shot and another reason why the massive Peter Parker defense is just unnecessary.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 10, 2015 16:07:51 GMT -5
I think the re-shuffling is only rumored at the moment... though I could very easily see it happening.
If it's been officially reported already then my mistake... but I've only seen it listed as rumored.
But yeah, I'd rather the stick to the schedule they announced...
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Post by Crimson on Feb 10, 2015 16:10:48 GMT -5
I think a Spider-Man team up could be a good way to introduce Miles to the movie only fans at large, before they try to bring him to the forefront. I'm not a comic reader. I know of Miles, but really couldn't tell you anything about his character. Plus, a Team-Up movie would be awesome for the fact it's a Spider-man team up movie. That's what I'm saying. You can have the two do a team up in the second movie just like how Ironman 2 had War Machine and Winter Soldier added Black Widow and Falcon.
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Post by Legion on Feb 10, 2015 16:10:46 GMT -5
Honestly I think it can be a very interesting debate, but it never is because one side takes such an extreme. I think the debate about bringing Miles into the MCU is actually a good one since he DOES have a good back story and is an interesting character. Hell, they could bring Miguel O'Hara into the MCU and I'm sure it'd work. But seriously anytime news comes out about a comic movie people start coming up with race which always derails the thread. I mean I get wanting more diversity, but I really don't think Marvel is actively being racist... nor do I think DC is. If Luke Cage, Falcon, or Panther were cast by white actors? Yeah then you have a point. Of course, personally I think Marvel has been more conservative with what storylines they bring to the big screen. I'm sure as we get into phase 4 you'll start to see different things being done. Oh, nah man. Nobody, especially me, said Kevin Feige and the MCU Illuminati are in a dimly lit room, twirling their devilish mustaches, and literally launching Mark Ruffalo in to space. The problem basically is all Marvel has to do is to...not think. Because it takes someone at a higher level to actively think about how it's going to look for these movies to get pushed back for yet another Peter Parker/Spider-Man movie. So we get Peter Parker/Spider-Man finagling his way into an already crowded phase that just so happens to push back the one solo movie headed by a black dude and the lone solo movie headed by a white woman. Yes, those movies actually do mean more than another Thor sequel or the Inhuman movie. The sad thing for me really is they actually might have considered how that would look, but just expected fandom to not give a shit and for it all to blow over, which I assume it will. ...or Marvel actually would be awesome and in fact is making a Miles Morales/Spider-Man movie that has Peter Parker being killed off in the first ten minutes, we just don't know about it yet. But that's a real long shot and another reason why the massive Peter Parker defense is just unnecessary.
If they did that, I would be so jaw droppingly surprised, I would totally go with it. I have no problem with a Miles movie if that is the direction they want to go in, I know next to nothing about the character because I've never read Ultimates, but he seemed cool in the Spider-Men book. Personally, I'd like to see them go with Peter, but then end up with Superior Spider-Man. DocOck as Spidey all the way!
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 10, 2015 16:11:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:29:24 GMT -5
If they did that, I would be so jaw droppingly surprised, I would totally go with it. I have no problem with a Miles movie if that is the direction they want to go in, I know next to nothing about the character because I've never read Ultimates, but he seemed cool in the Spider-Men book. Personally, I'd like to see them go with Peter, but then end up with Superior Spider-Man. DocOck as Spidey all the way! And that's really the thing. I didn't even say I wouldn't want Peter Parker in a Miles Morales/Spider-Man movie as Peter Parker does have a big effect on Miles' backstory...it's just that it's Peter Parker who serves as Miles' "Uncle Ben." You have me do it, I'd say you cast Garfield to be killed off and serve the same role as he did in the comic. Miles' origin gets another interesting layer if you have knowledge about how Peter Parker got his start (different people play different roles), but man, getting people to actually read Miles getting his start as Spider-Man and not have them tear it to shreds in unfocused hatred is an exercise in futility. I don't even recommend people do it anymore.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Feb 10, 2015 16:31:20 GMT -5
What if in the first five minutes of the movie, Spidey takes off his mask and it's actually...... Kamala Khan?
Mind Explosion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:39:53 GMT -5
So according to variety Black Panther did not get pushed back but got pushed up from November to July 6th 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:41:04 GMT -5
What if in the first five minutes of the movie, Spidey takes off his mask and it's actually...... Kamala Khan? Mind Explosion. I'm so down for a Ms. Marvel movie it's not funny.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 10, 2015 16:43:57 GMT -5
If they did that, I would be so jaw droppingly surprised, I would totally go with it. I have no problem with a Miles movie if that is the direction they want to go in, I know next to nothing about the character because I've never read Ultimates, but he seemed cool in the Spider-Men book. Personally, I'd like to see them go with Peter, but then end up with Superior Spider-Man. DocOck as Spidey all the way! And that's really the thing. I didn't even say I wouldn't want Peter Parker in a Miles Morales/Spider-Man movie as Peter Parker does have a big effect on Miles' backstory...it's just that it's Peter Parker who serves as Miles' "Uncle Ben." You have me do it, I'd say you cast Garfield to be killed off and serve the same role as he did in the comic. Miles' origin gets another interesting layer if you have knowledge about how Peter Parker got his start (different people play different roles), but man, getting people to actually read Miles getting his start as Spider-Man and not have them tear it to shreds in unfocused hatred is an exercise in futility. I don't even recommend people do it anymore. Honestly, I love Miles's backstory. The fear he feels about becoming a hero and the guilt he initially feels combined with the backlash he gets from other heroes early makes for a great story... and honestly, I think Miles's story would actually be a great way to bring venom into the MCU (as far as I know, Miles hasn't done anything with Venom yet... haven't really kept up with the Ultimates) Of course, outside of the video games (which are awesome) most of Spidey's recent arcs don't do much for me. But I do think there are plenty of good ways they can go with the movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:46:45 GMT -5
So we get Peter Parker/Spider-Man finagling his way into an already crowded phase that just so happens to push back the one solo movie headed by a black dude and the lone solo movie headed by a white woman. You just answered your own question. What I put in bold is the reason the Black Panther and Black Widow movies are being pushed back, not because of the ethnicity or gender of the lead. Keep in mind that they have a set release schedule and depending what they wind up doing with Spider-Man he may need to appear sooner or possibly later (again depending on what they will do with the character). So for the convenience of the time-line/over arching storyline they have going they have to work within the confines of what they set up. If they can include him in a cameo at the end of a movie, then they will do that. If they think he needs a full fledged movie to keep the synchronization intact then they will do that also. I'm sure they want to use him as quickly as they can because of the popularity and status of Spidey but I don't think they would jeopardize their entire work to shove him in just for the sake of that. In my opinion because of the Infinity War storyline their ultimate goal is to be able to use as many characters as they can get rights to in hopes of really emphasizing the scale and threat of Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet/Gems which is an attempt to stay close to the comics by the way because most if not every popular character was involved in that giant event. As for what they will do with Spider-Man between then? I don't know. As for whether or not Peter Parker should appear in another movie? Well, hasn't the consensus been that they still haven't done Spider-Man right cinematically? ( I haven't seen the Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2 yet as of this post ) Toby Maguire was too much this or not enough that. Andrew Garfield was too much of this, or not enough of that. If that is the case and a majority of the people think he hasn't been done correctly, then why should they attempt to use another character if they can't get the first one right? ( Not my personal opinion, just going with the logic of this )
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