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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 12:57:26 GMT -5
WWE is a company that produces staged programs. Everything they do is a work. Most reality shows are works, too. If they make works, and reality TV is works galore, why in the world would anyone assume that it is something other than a work? Riley has never been treated as a particularly serious asset for the company, but he's been around for years, outlasting many other talents. I'd say that he's been pretty successful in his own right. His criticism of AJ might be bitter, but we shouldn't suppose it is because we have no real evidence to reach that conclusion. Mind you, I think him tweeting about that is distasteful and extremely unprofessional. But we don't really know why he did it. I know reality shows are works, but WWE tries to present Total Divas as a cutting edge behind the scenes look at the real lives of Divas. So if they script their talent to be bitches, it's not surprising it sours opinions on them. As for Riley, he's been around for a while, so was JTG. If Riley does have a legit point of criticism to make against AJ, then I don't see how some drive-by-bitchy comment helps his cause. If he provided actual verifiable examples of her being problematic, it might make him look better. WWE presents Total Divas as a behind-the-scenes look at the real lives of Divas in the same way that WWE presented The Undertaker as a revenant from the Wild West in the early 90's. It's a lot of kayfabed presentation but it's not real and there's no reason that anyone should believe it. I don't think any of this does Riley any favors, and like I said, I think what he did was wrong. But there's no point in trying to understand his logic because as I also said, there's not much in the way of evidence. It's ultimately a pointless exercise. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 5, 2015 13:02:07 GMT -5
I know reality shows are works, but WWE tries to present Total Divas as a cutting edge behind the scenes look at the real lives of Divas. So if they script their talent to be bitches, it's not surprising it sours opinions on them. As for Riley, he's been around for a while, so was JTG. If Riley does have a legit point of criticism to make against AJ, then I don't see how some drive-by-bitchy comment helps his cause. If he provided actual verifiable examples of her being problematic, it might make him look better. WWE presents Total Divas as a behind-the-scenes look at the real lives of Divas in the same way that WWE presented The Undertaker as a revenant from the Wild West in the early 90's. It's a lot of kayfabed presentation but it's not real and there's no reason that anyone should believe it. Not entirely. It may be all staged in one form or another, but the context in each case is different. There is some truth to it. It's like the Kardashian programmes. It's mostly bullshit but I never doubted that Kim Kardashian was pregnant and gave birth to a child. With the Undertaker, no element of him being undead was true at all, unless he's some sort of miracle of evolution. |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 5, 2015 13:18:50 GMT -5
Why does the wrestler I like have to be a scumbag? It's not fair.  Dude, some of his best hits have been highlighted. They should let him do this on TV. Whatever this is... Instant heel heat. I love how your avatar makes it look like Primo is disappointed in A-Ry's dickish behavior. |
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 5, 2015 13:24:22 GMT -5
I love how your avatar makes it look like Primo is disappointed in A-Ry's dickish behavior. How do you think Primo feels about still being under that Matadores mask? |
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Apr 5, 2015 13:35:30 GMT -5
...OK. Glad we established that then. That's the point I'm making. Respond to the comment however you want but on-screen stuff shouldn't be a factor here. Reaching an amicable agreement in an AJ thread? Just who the HELL do you two think you are?! You spoke too soon. Heh. |
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Apr 5, 2015 13:36:43 GMT -5
Eh, was it really that venomous? If anything, it's a lil embarrassing because it was so weak. If you're gonna mock someone, go full bore with it. I think people are less offended by the actual insult and more like, the audacity of it all. I mean, as I've said earlier, not a huge AJ fan, but I respect what she's done, and I can't deny that she'll go down in history as one of the major players in the women's division of this era, and assuming she stays amicable with WWE, she'll probably end up in the HoF in 20 or so years. And then we have Riley, who's done nothing of note and will probably be a footnote in WWE history. Even if the roles were reversed, say he had the date he joined WWE and AJ was mocking it, I'd feel that it was a dickish thing to do, but the fact he's mocking her accomplishing the highest accolade in this business for a woman whilst he done nothing but flop and have a shitty return, it comes off as a bitter douchebag who's trying to get a sly dig in on someone who's not likely to fight back. Hell, the "crusty old jock who still wears his varsity jacket 20 years after leaving high school" analogy is spot on. I feel that I were to meet Riley in real life, I'd despise the dude, as he just comes off as a prick with an unwarranted sense of self importance. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 5, 2015 13:38:28 GMT -5
We make fun of rasslers all the time. Most of us ain't even in THIS BUSINESS. So it seems an odd standard to apply to Riley.
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Post by Abdullah on Apr 5, 2015 13:39:49 GMT -5
I love how your avatar makes it look like Primo is disappointed in A-Ry's dickish behavior. How do you think Primo feels about still being under that Matadores mask?  |
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Apr 5, 2015 13:42:59 GMT -5
We make fun of rasslers all the time. Most of us ain't even in THIS BUSINESS. So it seems an odd standard to apply to Riley. I suppose it's from a professionalism stand point. They're putting themselves in the public eye, so they must expect mockery, but from former co-workers, it just seems wrong to me. Granted, I'm slightly biased, as I've never really liked Riley, but this has pushed him over the edge into dislike. Just a dick move through and through. |
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Post by schma on Apr 5, 2015 13:44:56 GMT -5
Wow. Even if he's joking, that's a subject that's in really poor taste to compare himself to. Looks to me like Riley doesn't understand how one should act in the company of others. Calling himself Jesus is HHH's schtick. He must be pissed at that. Also, yeah the cultural insensitivity. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 5, 2015 13:59:54 GMT -5
We make fun of rasslers all the time. Most of us ain't even in THIS BUSINESS. So it seems an odd standard to apply to Riley. If Riley only got the same amount of wrestling time and promo time that AJ had. Then he'd be overpushed and still hated. |
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Apr 5, 2015 14:07:08 GMT -5
Reaching an amicable agreement in an AJ thread? Just who the HELL do you two think you are?! You spoke too soon. Heh. And order has been restored to the universe. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 5, 2015 14:57:03 GMT -5
We make fun of rasslers all the time. Most of us ain't even in THIS BUSINESS. So it seems an odd standard to apply to Riley. I suppose it's from a professionalism stand point. They're putting themselves in the public eye, so they must expect mockery, but from former co-workers, it just seems wrong to me. Granted, I'm slightly biased, as I've never really liked Riley, but this has pushed him over the edge into dislike. Just a dick move through and through. Well no, that's not what I'm saying. People are using the argument that Riley shouldn't say anything because: "what has he accomplished compared to AJ?" It's the exact same argument as Roman Reigns or whoever going: "Well fans have never laced up a pair of boots, so what do they know?" In any instance of that happening, it's a shitty argument. You can argue that he shouldn't have said it; that's fine and understandable, but using the basis for WHY he shouldn't have said it be the fact that he's a jobber doesn't really make much sense. At best it's an ad hominem attack. |
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Apr 5, 2015 15:06:27 GMT -5
I suppose it's from a professionalism stand point. They're putting themselves in the public eye, so they must expect mockery, but from former co-workers, it just seems wrong to me. Granted, I'm slightly biased, as I've never really liked Riley, but this has pushed him over the edge into dislike. Just a dick move through and through. Well no, that's not what I'm saying. People are using the argument that Riley shouldn't say anything because: "what has he accomplished compared to AJ?" It's the exact same argument as Roman Reigns or whoever going: "Well fans have never laced up a pair of boots, so what do they know?" In any instance of that happening, it's a shitty argument. You can argue that he shouldn't have said it; that's fine and understandable, but using the basis for WHY he shouldn't have said it be the fact that he's a jobber doesn't really make much sense. At best it's an ad hominem attack. Oh, I get ya. It is a bit of a daft argument to base it solely on what he's accomplished, if anything he shouldn't have said anything because it's the decent thing to do. |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 5, 2015 15:11:53 GMT -5
As an aside, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but with AJ's departure, Naomi becomes the only remaining NXT3 contestant (out of six) in WWE. To put that into perspective, NXT4 has three remaining contestants (out of six), NXT2 has four remaining contestants (out of eight), and NXT1 has six remaining contestants (out of eight), all but one of whom were at WrestleMania 31.
Wow, that NXT3 turned out to be something, eh?
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 5, 2015 15:26:16 GMT -5
As an aside, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but with AJ's departure, Naomi becomes the only remaining NXT3 contestant (out of six) in WWE. To put that into perspective, NXT4 has three remaining contestants (out of six), NXT2 has four remaining contestants (out of eight), and NXT1 has six remaining contestants (out of eight), all but one of whom were at WrestleMania 31. Wow, that NXT3 turned out to be something, eh? If CM Punk hadn't buried her with that 'little boy robot' comment, Jamie Keyes would've been huge, HUGE I tell ya. On a serious note, it should be noted that Kaitlyn and Maxine both left of the own accord in part due to WWE giving them f*** all to do due to their shitty booking of women, and AJ's left somewhat by choice as well. Only Aksana and Jamie failed to 'make the grade' as it were. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 15:32:02 GMT -5
I'm the Ascension fan. No thats not a typo. NewLegacy's version of The Ascension turned me in to a lifelong fan of the real life version. I would be a mark for them for life if they started doing that gimmick for real. As for the Riley thing, the extent of my opinion on it is, "I thought it was funny." |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 15:33:15 GMT -5
As an aside, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but with AJ's departure, Naomi becomes the only remaining NXT3 contestant (out of six) in WWE. To put that into perspective, NXT4 has three remaining contestants (out of six), NXT2 has four remaining contestants (out of eight), and NXT1 has six remaining contestants (out of eight), all but one of whom were at WrestleMania 31. Wow, that NXT3 turned out to be something, eh? I really miss Maxine. |
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 5, 2015 15:36:03 GMT -5
As an aside, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but with AJ's departure, Naomi becomes the only remaining NXT3 contestant (out of six) in WWE. To put that into perspective, NXT4 has three remaining contestants (out of six), NXT2 has four remaining contestants (out of eight), and NXT1 has six remaining contestants (out of eight), all but one of whom were at WrestleMania 31. Wow, that NXT3 turned out to be something, eh? I really miss Maxine. To me, she's the biggest missed opportunity Diva in recent history. Her and Katie Lea, anyway, but Maxine was given even less to do. She wasn't much of a wrestler, but she would have made someone a superb heel valet. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 5, 2015 15:38:40 GMT -5
I suppose it's from a professionalism stand point. They're putting themselves in the public eye, so they must expect mockery, but from former co-workers, it just seems wrong to me. Granted, I'm slightly biased, as I've never really liked Riley, but this has pushed him over the edge into dislike. Just a dick move through and through. Well no, that's not what I'm saying. People are using the argument that Riley shouldn't say anything because: "what has he accomplished compared to AJ?" It's the exact same argument as Roman Reigns or whoever going: "Well fans have never laced up a pair of boots, so what do they know?" In any instance of that happening, it's a shitty argument. You can argue that he shouldn't have said it; that's fine and understandable, but using the basis for WHY he shouldn't have said it be the fact that he's a jobber doesn't really make much sense. At best it's an ad hominem attack. It's a different argument. With Reigns he apparently thinks that unless someone has been a wrestler, they cannot criticise wrestlers. With Riley, you've got a guy who seems to be mocking another wrestler using a reference originally used to denigrate her for being committed to the wrestling business, which begs the question. Who has seen the most success? The dedicated person, or the one who mocks such dedication, and why would dedication to one's trade be a bad thing, worthy of mockery? |
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