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Post by FAR5222 on Apr 5, 2015 17:22:45 GMT -5
This has been a strange thread. From rage to jubilation to people trying to deal with her retirement to folks not able to handle folks who don't like her to bonding over being fans of hated wrestlers to dogpiling on bitch ass Riley including his #1 fan joining the fun. I used to like AJ a lot but shit's changed. The last couple of years, she was mentally and physically checked out. Her in ring performance suffered. There is no way to say honestly she was the top overall Diva. She was popular but I can't think of any memorable match of hers from the last 3 years. The NXT Divas smoked her and yesterday's jokes like Nikki Bella improved tremendously. Honestly can't blame WWE for her drop in quality. That's on her. Especially when she decided to become CM Punkette. This probably my favorite thread of the year so far for all the wrong reasons you listed. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 5, 2015 17:27:29 GMT -5
This has been a strange thread. From rage to jubilation to people trying to deal with her retirement to folks not able to handle folks who don't like her to bonding over being fans of hated wrestlers to dogpiling on bitch ass Riley including his #1 fan joining the fun. I used to like AJ a lot but shit's changed. The last couple of years, she was mentally and physically checked out. Her in ring performance suffered. There is no way to say honestly she was the top overall Diva. She was popular but I can't think of any memorable match of hers from the last 3 years. The NXT Divas smoked her and yesterday's jokes like Nikki Bella improved tremendously. Honestly can't blame WWE for her drop in quality. That's on her. Especially when she decided to become CM Punkette. She didn't become CM Punkette. WWE did that when they used her to vent their own frustrations. NXT Divas piss on all WWE Divas, because they are allowed to. Nikki has improved, but she's still average. Very few WWE Divas have had memorable matches. Up until about three weeks ago, they were stuck in two minute matches. Not much they can do in that amount of time. |
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 5, 2015 17:28:50 GMT -5
This has been a strange thread. From rage to jubilation to people trying to deal with her retirement to folks not able to handle folks who don't like her to bonding over being fans of hated wrestlers to dogpiling on bitch ass Riley including his #1 fan joining the fun. I used to like AJ a lot but shit's changed. The last couple of years, she was mentally and physically checked out. Her in ring performance suffered. There is no way to say honestly she was the top overall Diva. She was popular but I can't think of any memorable match of hers from the last 3 years. The NXT Divas smoked her and yesterday's jokes like Nikki Bella improved tremendously. Honestly can't blame WWE for her drop in quality. That's on her. Especially when she decided to become CM Punkette. I dunno about the last three years, the first half of her long title run had some good ones. The last really good AJ match I remember was the title match with Nattie on Main Event, which I think was early 2014. She was never physically 100% after that though, what with her marriage break and then her injury, so I'm hesitant to blame it exclusively on her being disinterested. Of course Nikki and the NXT girls surpassed her, they were in the ring five days a week while she was constantly either injured or getting up to speed following an injury or a long hiatus. Regarding with her becoming 'female CM Punk' (which I always think is an over-exaggeration and a comparison that would rarely be made if they weren't married), WWE wrote her promos and booked her character so it's not all AJ's fault. |
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 5, 2015 17:37:03 GMT -5
As an aside, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but with AJ's departure, Naomi becomes the only remaining NXT3 contestant (out of six) in WWE. To put that into perspective, NXT4 has three remaining contestants (out of six), NXT2 has four remaining contestants (out of eight), and NXT1 has six remaining contestants (out of eight), all but one of whom were at WrestleMania 31. Wow, that NXT3 turned out to be something, eh? I really miss Maxine. I think we all miss Maxine a little bit. I miss her a lot, though.  |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 5, 2015 17:39:16 GMT -5
This has been a strange thread. From rage to jubilation to people trying to deal with her retirement to folks not able to handle folks who don't like her to bonding over being fans of hated wrestlers to dogpiling on bitch ass Riley including his #1 fan joining the fun. I used to like AJ a lot but shit's changed. The last couple of years, she was mentally and physically checked out. Her in ring performance suffered. There is no way to say honestly she was the top overall Diva. She was popular but I can't think of any memorable match of hers from the last 3 years. The NXT Divas smoked her and yesterday's jokes like Nikki Bella improved tremendously. Honestly can't blame WWE for her drop in quality. That's on her. Especially when she decided to become CM Punkette. She didn't become CM Punkette. WWE did that when they used her to vent their own frustrations. NXT Divas piss on all WWE Divas, because they are allowed to. Nikki has improved, but she's still average. Very few WWE Divas have had memorable matches. Up until about three weeks ago, they were stuck in two minute matches. Not much they can do in that amount of time. Nope, she was that before Punk slipped on the wedding ring. Remember the whole Pipebombshell speech that lead to nowhere? WWE didn't use her as their avatar to voice frustrations about the Divas division because they barely give a damn about them. The dream feud that suppose to revitalize the Divas (Paige vs AJ) was a bust. The booking was garbage but the in ring action was shit. They had no chemistry with each other. |
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 5, 2015 17:44:25 GMT -5
She didn't become CM Punkette. WWE did that when they used her to vent their own frustrations. NXT Divas piss on all WWE Divas, because they are allowed to. Nikki has improved, but she's still average. Very few WWE Divas have had memorable matches. Up until about three weeks ago, they were stuck in two minute matches. Not much they can do in that amount of time. Nope, she was that before Punk slipped on the wedding ring. Remember the whole Pipebombshell speech that lead to nowhere? WWE didn't use her as their avatar to voice frustrations about the Divas division because they barely give a damn about them. The dream feud that suppose to revitalize the Divas (Paige vs AJ) was a bust. The booking was garbage but the in ring action was shit. They had no chemistry with each other. They might not have written the, ugh, Pipebombshell, but it's been reported and supplemented by AJ's comments in an interview that WWE shelved any plans to make a major storyline out of it, so it was their fault it lead nowhere. Paige and AJ sucked, I just wonder whether it would have sucked quite so much with a fully fit AJ. Their match at Battleground was her first match of more than a few minutes for about four months, Summerslam was the only good one and she picked up her injury a day after. It just coincided with all the Punk stuff so people presumed she was phoning it in cos she didn't actually want to be there without him. And maybe it was that, but there are other mitigating circumstances that may have hurt her performance aside from 'she didn't care anymore,' yet that's the conclusion nearly everyone comes to. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 5, 2015 17:45:49 GMT -5
This has been a strange thread. From rage to jubilation to people trying to deal with her retirement to folks not able to handle folks who don't like her to bonding over being fans of hated wrestlers to dogpiling on bitch ass Riley including his #1 fan joining the fun. I used to like AJ a lot but shit's changed. The last couple of years, she was mentally and physically checked out. Her in ring performance suffered. There is no way to say honestly she was the top overall Diva. She was popular but I can't think of any memorable match of hers from the last 3 years. The NXT Divas smoked her and yesterday's jokes like Nikki Bella improved tremendously. Honestly can't blame WWE for her drop in quality. That's on her. Especially when she decided to become CM Punkette. I dunno about the last three years, the first half of her long title run had some good ones. The last really good AJ match I remember was the title match with Nattie on Main Event, which I think was early 2014. She was never physically 100% after that though, what with her marriage break and then her injury, so I'm hesitant to blame it exclusively on her being disinterested. Of course Nikki and the NXT girls surpassed her, they were in the ring five days a week while she was constantly either injured or getting up to speed following an injury or a long hiatus. Regarding with her becoming 'female CM Punk' (which I always think is an over-exaggeration and a comparison that would rarely be made if they weren't married), WWE wrote her promos and booked her character so it's not all AJ's fault. AJ suffered during her Punkette stage because she doesn't have bitter asshole chops like Punk to pull it off. Also her criticisms of the other Divas fell flat because of the hypocrisy involved. AJ's injuries and regular hiatus stalled her progress but that still isn't a good excuse of why other Divas got better. Rosa Mendes been on the roster longer than most of the roster yet still trips over her feet wrestling. People put in work and improved. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 5, 2015 17:48:16 GMT -5
She didn't become CM Punkette. WWE did that when they used her to vent their own frustrations. NXT Divas piss on all WWE Divas, because they are allowed to. Nikki has improved, but she's still average. Very few WWE Divas have had memorable matches. Up until about three weeks ago, they were stuck in two minute matches. Not much they can do in that amount of time. Nope, she was that before Punk slipped on the wedding ring. Remember the whole Pipebombshell speech that lead to nowhere? WWE didn't use her as their avatar to voice frustrations about the Divas division because they barely give a damn about them. The dream feud that suppose to revitalize the Divas (Paige vs AJ) was a bust. The booking was garbage but the in ring action was shit. They had no chemistry with each other. That pipebomb would have been written by WWE. AJ wasn't booking herself. If she was being portrayed as a female Punk, that's because the company wanted her to be. Is it really that surprising that women who wrestle two minute matches on a week by week basis have no chemistry with each other? It's not like the rest of the women's division on the main roster were putting on wrestling clinics. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 5, 2015 17:49:42 GMT -5
Nope, she was that before Punk slipped on the wedding ring. Remember the whole Pipebombshell speech that lead to nowhere? WWE didn't use her as their avatar to voice frustrations about the Divas division because they barely give a damn about them. The dream feud that suppose to revitalize the Divas (Paige vs AJ) was a bust. The booking was garbage but the in ring action was shit. They had no chemistry with each other. They might not have written the, ugh, Pipebombshell, but it's been reported and supplemented by AJ's comments in an interview that WWE shelved any plans to make a major storyline out of it, so it was their fault it lead nowhere. Paige and AJ sucked, I just wonder whether it would have sucked quite so much with a fully fit AJ. Their match at Battleground was her first match of more than a few minutes for about four months, Summerslam was the only good one and she picked up her injury a day after. It just coincided with all the Punk stuff so people presumed she was phoning it in cos she didn't actually want to be there without him. And maybe it was that, but there are other mitigating circumstances that may have hurt her performance aside from 'she didn't care anymore,' yet that's the conclusion nearly everyone comes to. Even before she suffered her first serious injury, AJ was slipping. She got a pass for past performances and her denim shorts. It's like when Kaitlyn left, part of her fighting spirit left. |
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 5, 2015 17:50:10 GMT -5
I dunno about the last three years, the first half of her long title run had some good ones. The last really good AJ match I remember was the title match with Nattie on Main Event, which I think was early 2014. She was never physically 100% after that though, what with her marriage break and then her injury, so I'm hesitant to blame it exclusively on her being disinterested. Of course Nikki and the NXT girls surpassed her, they were in the ring five days a week while she was constantly either injured or getting up to speed following an injury or a long hiatus. Regarding with her becoming 'female CM Punk' (which I always think is an over-exaggeration and a comparison that would rarely be made if they weren't married), WWE wrote her promos and booked her character so it's not all AJ's fault. AJ suffered during her Punkette stage because she doesn't have bitter asshole chops like Punk to pull it off. Also her criticisms of the other Divas fell flat because of the hypocrisy involved. AJ's injuries and regular hiatus stalled her progress but that still isn't a good excuse of why other Divas got better. Rosa Mendes been on the roster longer than most of the roster yet still trips over her feet wrestling. People put in work and improved. I never said they didn't, and I didn't like AJ's recent babyface run either. I didn't mind it as a heel cos EVERY heel thinks they're the best and they're not supposed to be right. They toned down her smugness a bit as a babyface, but not enough for her to be genuinely likeable. Nikki and everyone else deserve tons of credit for improving, I just don't think AJ should be dismissed as 'getting worse' or 'not caring' when there's so many other factors that could have limited her performance which none of the people who overtook her had to deal with. |
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on Apr 5, 2015 17:52:01 GMT -5
That was the most respectful way she could have handled it.   |
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Post by Hanzo on Apr 5, 2015 17:53:38 GMT -5
How did a thread about AJ retiring reach 34 pages? Is she really that big of a deal?
I don't mean that in a rude or sarcastic manner or anything. I'm just asking.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 5, 2015 17:53:48 GMT -5
For me, Alex Riley's status is pretty irrelevant as far as my criticism of that tweet goes. I don't really care if he was just some jabroni or a main eventer. I also didn't have much of an opinion one way or another before that. I'm just calling him out for being a petty, passive-aggressive beta.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 5, 2015 17:55:06 GMT -5
Nope, she was that before Punk slipped on the wedding ring. Remember the whole Pipebombshell speech that lead to nowhere? WWE didn't use her as their avatar to voice frustrations about the Divas division because they barely give a damn about them. The dream feud that suppose to revitalize the Divas (Paige vs AJ) was a bust. The booking was garbage but the in ring action was shit. They had no chemistry with each other. That pipebomb would have been written by WWE. AJ wasn't booking herself. If she was being portrayed as a female Punk, that's because the company wanted her to be. Is it really that surprising that women who wrestle two minute matches on a week by week basis have no chemistry with each other? It's not like the rest of the women's division on the main roster were putting on wrestling clinics. Paige and AJ got more than 2 minutes to work on ppvs. They worked with each other on house shows. Other women got good to great chemistry. Paige gels with other main roster ladies. Some people just don't have chemistry no matter you give them more than enough time. Punk and Seth Rollins proceed to have a mediocre match and they were the top tier of workers at the time. It's not so hard to accept that. |
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Post by Dub H on Apr 5, 2015 17:55:48 GMT -5
How did a thread about AJ retiring reach 34 pages? Is she really that big of a deal? I don't mean that in a rude or sarcastic manner or anything. I'm just asking. some people like her,some people REALLY hate her,some people really love her. They clash,shenanigans issues |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 5, 2015 17:56:46 GMT -5
How did a thread about AJ retiring reach 34 pages? Is she really that big of a deal? I don't mean that in a rude or sarcastic manner or anything. I'm just asking. Trust me, this is tamer than I was expecting, lol. |
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Post by schma on Apr 5, 2015 17:57:14 GMT -5
As an aside, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but with AJ's departure, Naomi becomes the only remaining NXT3 contestant (out of six) in WWE. To put that into perspective, NXT4 has three remaining contestants (out of six), NXT2 has four remaining contestants (out of eight), and NXT1 has six remaining contestants (out of eight), all but one of whom were at WrestleMania 31. Wow, that NXT3 turned out to be something, eh? If CM Punk hadn't buried her with that 'little boy robot' comment, Jamie Keyes would've been huge, HUGE I tell ya. On a serious note, it should be noted that Kaitlyn and Maxine both left of the own accord in part due to WWE giving them f*** all to do due to their shitty booking of women, and AJ's left somewhat by choice as well. Only Aksana and Jamie failed to 'make the grade' as it were. Aksana's gone? I didn't even realize, figured she was just relegated to C shows. Well at least Alicia Fox is around since she and Rosa are the current JTG's. She is still around isn't she? |
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Post by gr1990 on Apr 5, 2015 17:57:21 GMT -5
They might not have written the, ugh, Pipebombshell, but it's been reported and supplemented by AJ's comments in an interview that WWE shelved any plans to make a major storyline out of it, so it was their fault it lead nowhere. Paige and AJ sucked, I just wonder whether it would have sucked quite so much with a fully fit AJ. Their match at Battleground was her first match of more than a few minutes for about four months, Summerslam was the only good one and she picked up her injury a day after. It just coincided with all the Punk stuff so people presumed she was phoning it in cos she didn't actually want to be there without him. And maybe it was that, but there are other mitigating circumstances that may have hurt her performance aside from 'she didn't care anymore,' yet that's the conclusion nearly everyone comes to. Even before she suffered her first serious injury, AJ was slipping. She got a pass for past performances and her denim shorts. It's like when Kaitlyn left, part of her fighting spirit left. That's true actually. Plus Kaitlyn and Punk leaving were only a few weeks apart, probably took it out of her quite a bit. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 5, 2015 18:00:11 GMT -5
That pipebomb would have been written by WWE. AJ wasn't booking herself. If she was being portrayed as a female Punk, that's because the company wanted her to be. Is it really that surprising that women who wrestle two minute matches on a week by week basis have no chemistry with each other? It's not like the rest of the women's division on the main roster were putting on wrestling clinics. Paige and AJ got more than 2 minutes to work on ppvs. They worked with each other on house shows. Other women got good to great chemistry. Paige gels with other main roster ladies. Some people just don't have chemistry no matter you give them more than enough time. Punk and Seth Rollins proceed to have a mediocre match and they were the top tier of workers at the time. It's not so hard to accept that. Punk and Seth are in a different league entirely. It's unfair to use them as a basis for comparison for any WWE main roster women. If that's the standard they are being expected to live up to, then it's unsurprising they don't. I also question this idea that a large number of the other female wrestlers have improved en masse. Nikki has. I acknowledged that. But it's not hard to improve when you start so low. Brie is crap, especially on the mic. Paige was always good. So was Alicia but they refuse to do anything with her. Emma's career is dead. Naomi is talented. Does Cameron still exist? Not sure where Layla is. Nattie has been focused on being a nagging wife on TV. Summer Rae appears with the regularity of a comet. Rosa is a bad dancer. I suppose there's Eva Marie. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 5, 2015 18:02:11 GMT -5
AJ suffered during her Punkette stage because she doesn't have bitter asshole chops like Punk to pull it off. Also her criticisms of the other Divas fell flat because of the hypocrisy involved. AJ's injuries and regular hiatus stalled her progress but that still isn't a good excuse of why other Divas got better. Rosa Mendes been on the roster longer than most of the roster yet still trips over her feet wrestling. People put in work and improved. I never said they didn't, and I didn't like AJ's recent babyface run either. I didn't mind it as a heel cos EVERY heel thinks they're the best and they're not supposed to be right. They toned down her smugness a bit as a babyface, but not enough for her to be genuinely likeable. Nikki and everyone else deserve tons of credit for improving, I just don't think AJ should be dismissed as 'getting worse' or 'not caring' when there's so many other factors that could have limited her performance which none of the people who overtook her had to deal with. In my opinion, she lost some of her passion along with the physical setbacks that effected her. Other people have returned from serious injuries to either return to form, become better, or not the same performer they used to be. |
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