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Post by Cela on May 18, 2015 17:48:14 GMT -5
Tommen = King Butters, poor kid. I also get a kick out of the people complaining about the shocking Sansa scene. Way worse happened in the book, way worse could have happened in the episode, way worse could have been shown. Thankfully all we got was seeing Reek which was more than enough. I do wonder how many casual viewers remember what happened the very first episode...a child being thrown out of a window while seeing incest, oh and also Dany getting her marriage consummated just as Sansa did. Though I wish they would have had Sansa try something, anything instead of just standing there...especially considering her scene before that with Myranda. Also we've had way too little Doran and Areo. Thing is, what exactly could Sansa do? Her best strategy is to just cope and try to become someone people want to keep around. She can't fight, she doesn't have dragons, and she doesn't have any family who would come to her rescue. She can show dominance with Myranda because she outranks her socially and holds more value. But, not a lot she can do next to the bastard of Bolton. |
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Post by chrom on May 18, 2015 18:06:05 GMT -5
Tommen = King Butters, poor kid. I also get a kick out of the people complaining about the shocking Sansa scene. Way worse happened in the book, way worse could have happened in the episode, way worse could have been shown. Thankfully all we got was seeing Reek which was more than enough. I do wonder how many casual viewers remember what happened the very first episode...a child being thrown out of a window while seeing incest, oh and also Dany getting her marriage consummated just as Sansa did. Though I wish they would have had Sansa try something, anything instead of just standing there...especially considering her scene before that with Myranda. Also we've had way too little Doran and Areo. Thing is, what exactly could Sansa do? Her best strategy is to just cope and try to become someone people want to keep around. She can't fight, she doesn't have dragons, and she doesn't have any family who would come to her rescue. She can show dominance with Myranda because she outranks her socially and holds more value. But, not a lot she can do next to the bastard of Bolton. Sansa's entire character is to stand there, look pretty, and be useless. Gee, if only every person she met there told her that The North Remembers and are more than willing to help her. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 18:20:44 GMT -5
Thing is, what exactly could Sansa do? Her best strategy is to just cope and try to become someone people want to keep around. She can't fight, she doesn't have dragons, and she doesn't have any family who would come to her rescue. She can show dominance with Myranda because she outranks her socially and holds more value. But, not a lot she can do next to the bastard of Bolton. Gee, if only every person she met there told her that The North Remembers and are more than willing to help her. Wrong. The evolution of her character is to stand there, look pretty and pretend to be useless. Sansa, like Jon Snow, is someone whose kindness is sincere, but she's balancing that out with the ability to intrigue. Something that I think is forgotten a lot about Westeros is that it's a terrible place mostly because terrible people took over, and most of them are way too concerned with backstabbing and murder to actually govern anything or build a network of allies. Sansa is one of the few who can do those things, and that gives her potentially mighty abilities. |
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Post by Beets by Schrute on May 18, 2015 18:24:09 GMT -5
Tommen, oh Tommen. The Patriots have bigger balls than you do. You are the f***ing king! Your own guards were about to take names and kick ass, but no.
I cannot wait for Cersei to get what's coming for her. She is in the running with Stephanie McMahon as Most Annoying Woman on TV. I want her to lose her allies like the Tyrells because she is so goddamn petty.
If Stannis gets the head of Ramsay by the end of the season, then I don't care what crazy stuff the Red Lady asks him to, he is my guy to get on the Iron Throne. All Hail the One True King of Westeros!
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on May 18, 2015 18:33:46 GMT -5
If Stannis gets the head of Ramsay by the end of the season, then I don't care what crazy stuff the Red Lady asks him to, he is my guy to get on the Iron Throne. All Hail the One True King of Westeros! i ..... would hang on to that thought though ..... things WILL get messy in winterfell! and NOT in the way people are wanting it to go  |
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Post by Beets by Schrute on May 18, 2015 19:19:34 GMT -5
If Stannis gets the head of Ramsay by the end of the season, then I don't care what crazy stuff the Red Lady asks him to, he is my guy to get on the Iron Throne. All Hail the One True King of Westeros! i ..... would hang on to that thought though ..... things WILL get messy in winterfell! and NOT in the way people are wanting it to go |
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 19, 2015 14:07:46 GMT -5
God, I got genuinely scared that they were actually going to slice Tyrion's throat right here and there. Seems like something Game of Thrones would do.
That rape scene with Sansa was one of the most genuinely hard to watch things in the show's history. Really wish either her or Theon would have snapped and killed Ramsay right here and then. God it's gonna be so satisfying when that bastard inevitably gets offed. I hope he gets to suffer as much as every single person he has made suffer combined.
And yeah, the Sand Snakes... it's especially bad to watch them in action soon after seeing Fury Road, which has a similar concept, except executed well. One of them throwing an impotent tantrum after a mild insult was especially bad and killed any potential of them ever looking menacing. Seriously, who wrote that shit in? "And then she loses her shit and uselessly flails her arms around like a bratty toddler who's upset that another kid called them a bad word and is effortlessly held back. PERFECT! This will make them look SO badass!"
Also, has Varys even realized Tyrion has been kidnapped yet? I don't think we've seen him since the brothel scene.
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Post by Crimson on May 19, 2015 14:21:47 GMT -5
I have to wonder what the Sand Snakes' end game was here? I know that Jaime and Bronn's interference ended up delaying their assassination attempt and led to all of them getting captured, but Myrcella was with Trystane right there in brought daylight. Was this a suicide mission, because everyone would've known they were responsible if they killed her?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 19, 2015 14:24:35 GMT -5
God, I got genuinely scared that they were actually going to slice Tyrion's throat right here and there. Seems like something Game of Thrones would do. That rape scene with Sansa was one of the most genuinely hard to watch things in the show's history. Really wish either her or Theon would have snapped and killed Ramsay right here and then. God it's gonna be so satisfying when that bastard inevitably gets offed. I hope he gets to suffer as much as every single person he has made suffer combined. And yeah, the Sand Snakes... it's especially bad to watch them in action soon after seeing Fury Road, which has a similar concept, except executed well. One of them throwing an impotent tantrum after a mild insult was especially bad and killed any potential of them ever looking menacing. Seriously, who wrote that shit in? "And then she loses her shit and uselessly flails her arms around like a bratty toddler who's upset that another kid called them a bad word and is effortlessly held back. PERFECT! This will make them look SO badass!" Also, has Varys even realized Tyrion has been kidnapped yet? I don't think we've seen him since the brothel scene. I'd say, outside of deaths, it's only behind Joffery making the whores beat each other in terms of uncomfortable. As for the Sand Snakes, surely they could have gotten people who at least look like they can fight. A bit of muscle maybe, extra time for the technique, I just don't buy them as any threat. They don't have the speed or smoothness to be lithe, fast fighters nor the size to be anything else. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 19, 2015 14:43:06 GMT -5
So these faith militant have the power to put knights and queens in jail? Where were they during Joffrey's reign of terror?
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 19, 2015 14:47:29 GMT -5
So these faith militant have the power to put knights and queens in jail? Where were they during Joffrey's reign of terror? Non-existent, because they were just reestablished a few episodes ago. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 19, 2015 14:48:55 GMT -5
So these faith militant have the power to put knights and queens in jail? Where were they during Joffrey's reign of terror? Non-existent, because they were just reestablished a few episodes ago. So they're like cicadas, they rise up when the plot needs them. |
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Post by Mozenrath on May 19, 2015 14:52:29 GMT -5
Non-existent, because they were just reestablished a few episodes ago. So they're like cicadas, they rise up when the plot needs them. Basically, Cersei gave them power so that they would forgive the crown's debts, a move she thought was crafty, since it'd help ease the money problems during this war. Not quite, it was a colossal lapse in judgment. |
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Post by Fake Jesus on May 19, 2015 15:02:05 GMT -5
Non-existent, because they were just reestablished a few episodes ago. So they're like cicadas, they rise up when the plot needs them. Essentially. However, the reestablishment does make sense within the context of the universe. The War of the Five Kings led to vast armies moving throughout the countryside, and increased lawlessness and banditry. This meant an increase in attacks on Holy Men and Women, who couldn't defend themselves, as the outlawing of the Faith Militant by King Maegor I had forbidden armed Priests and the like. The High Septon, on the surface needing to stop these attacks, managed to get the Queen Mother to make the King legalise the Faith Militant, and now with what is now essentially a small and fanatically devoted army, he can arrest people who have committed crimes against the Gods. It's important to note that the Royal House and the Tyrells essentially can't do anything to stop the man, he has the support of the commoners and his military, if they tried to take action against him, it's likely enough that there'd be widespread rioting in King's Landing. |
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Post by Cela on May 19, 2015 15:50:14 GMT -5
So these faith militant have the power to put knights and queens in jail? Where were they during Joffrey's reign of terror? Had they tried to reestablish during Joffrey, Joffrey would have sicked The Hound on them. During the reign of Cersei, she has the Gold Cloaks look the other way as they restore morality. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 19, 2015 17:35:45 GMT -5
I have to wonder what the Sand Snakes' end game was here? I know that Jaime and Bronn's interference ended up delaying their assassination attempt and led to all of them getting captured, but Myrcella was with Trystane right there in brought daylight. Was this a suicide mission, because everyone would've known they were responsible if they killed her? they're not any smarter in the books and nobody's sure what the hell the endgame was for the smegheads in Dorne. it's probably the least popular storyline, except for maybe {Spoiler}fake Aegon the 6th |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 19, 2015 18:30:26 GMT -5
To people who are done with Game of Thrones after that "gratuitous rape scene"...
Where the hell were you in Season 4 where we had this same thing, but right next to a dead person?
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Post by DiBiase is Good on May 19, 2015 19:51:20 GMT -5
Amazing how not showing anything yet focusing on Reek's face during the rape made that scene so much more disturbing. Not saying seeing a rape portrayed on screen is a pleasant thing but sometimes, less is more.
I've never read the books so I have no idea what happens beyond this point but part of me just wants Sansa to die because that girl has been through so much, it would probably be kinder than what has happened so far. (And no, I don't want to know any future events involving her).
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Post by Perd on May 19, 2015 20:12:20 GMT -5
With the reaction to that scene, people saying they're quitting the show and so on. I wonder is it just the scene specifically or a culmination? I've always though there could be a breaking point with the general audience, with them just getting tired of seeing horrific things happen to the characters they care about. Is there a point where all the murder, mutilation, and tape becomes too much for people? After Sunday, there seems to be quite a few people saying yes. Let see if they're just blowing smoke or truly fed up.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on May 19, 2015 20:55:49 GMT -5
To people who are done with Game of Thrones after that "gratuitous rape scene"... Where the hell were you in Season 4 where we had this same thing, but right next to a dead person? Where was the outrage when Drago did the same thing to Dany? |
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