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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 11:05:58 GMT -5
While Stannis's actions were deplorable no doubt, they completly fit in with where he is as a person. After Ramsays attack on his camp he had NO OTHER OPTION, it was either retreat and accept defeat, or turn to a tactic (magic) that has been shown to work before. Stannis's speech to his daughter perfectly explained why he did what he did, his motivations and the struggle he was going through was quite clear. Of course daughter killing aint cool but theres NO ONE on this show who hasnt got a black mark against his or hers name, no one is innocent, even Jon Snow and Ned Stark executed people for questionable reasons. The reasons given were desertion but I dont think its as clear cut as that, Ned's victim ran from a White Walker, maybe Ned shouldve believed him and gathered info on the Whites rather than "Off with his head!" and Jon's victim, while not the most honorable man was an old man looking for shelter, do they really deserve death? Decapitating cowardly and/or dishonorable subjects/retainers isn't even in the same galaxy as literally sacrificing your daughter out of sheer greed.
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Post by clifford on Jun 8, 2015 11:07:52 GMT -5
f*** Stannis. I hope the Boltons flay him.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Jun 8, 2015 11:09:00 GMT -5
While Stannis's actions were deplorable no doubt, they completly fit in with where he is as a person. After Ramsays attack on his camp he had NO OTHER OPTION, it was either retreat and accept defeat, or turn to a tactic (magic) that has been shown to work before. Stannis's speech to his daughter perfectly explained why he did what he did, his motivations and the struggle he was going through was quite clear. Of course daughter killing aint cool but theres NO ONE on this show who hasnt got a black mark against his or hers name, no one is innocent, even Jon Snow and Ned Stark executed people for questionable reasons. The reasons given were desertion but I dont think its as clear cut as that, Ned's victim ran from a White Walker, maybe Ned shouldve believed him and gathered info on the Whites rather than "Off with his head!" and Jon's victim, while not the most honorable man was an old man looking for shelter, do they really deserve death? Where did this idea that Ned was an idiot for not believing the NW deserter's story come from? Other than hindsight, I mean. It's the equivalent of a modern day arm catching a deserter who claims he was attacked by werewolves, or vampires. But, by all means! Let's launch a through investigation! Come on.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 8, 2015 11:16:28 GMT -5
theres NO ONE on this show who hasnt got a black mark against his or hers name, no one is innocent, even Jon Snow and Ned Stark executed people for questionable reasons. The reasons given were desertion but I dont think its as clear cut as that, Ned's victim ran from a White Walker, maybe Ned shouldve believed him and gathered info on the Whites rather than "Off with his head!" and Jon's victim, while not the most honorable man was an old man looking for shelter, do they really deserve death? I wish people would stop pulling that defence. How is that an argument for anything? How is the fact that other characters have done morally ambiguous or even downright reprehensible supposed to make anything fair game? How is the fact that other characters did bad things even relevant? I'm sorry but even by Game of Thrones standards, burning your own daughter alive for your own benefit is a special kind of f'ed up.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 8, 2015 11:21:35 GMT -5
Stannis: "All you Tumblr fans of mine can stick it, brother! "
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jun 8, 2015 11:38:12 GMT -5
And speaking of the Son of the Harpy himself, how did he get there without anyone noticing? Seriously, none of the guards or anyone in the crowd noticed the big guy in a big golden mask making his way towards the queen's balcony? And they seriously didn't notice the dozens of other ones sitting in the crowd either?! And why do the Sons of the Harpy decide to stop attacking and go one or two at a time when they actually have a perfect chance to finish the job?! And why is Daenerys slowly walking towards the dragon when blades and spears are flying everywhere?! Why is none of her entourage protecting her as she does?! Why aren't the Sons of the Harpy taking a shot at her when the only way she could be more exposed would be if Emilia Clarke still had a nudity clause in her contract?! Yeah, totally! The Unsullied are so terrible that if Jorah had fought a bit later she could have been assassinated by a guy with a gold mask being able to get to her balcony and straight up stab her. Also, is it just Daario Naharis in her employ or all of the Second Sons because they seem pretty terrible too. Actually, now that I think about it, this season has really ruined Dany for me. I never understood some of the hate she got but now I can totally see it. The most eye opening example of this is the banter between her and Tyrion, were she ends the scene with “I’m not going to stop the wheel, I’m going to break the wheel.” Bitch please, you barely control the land you have, still don't have any sort of navy to speak of, your Unsullied are getting picked off by a bunch of goons in gold masks, you have two of your Dragons locked up in a dank pit somewhere (I'm sure they're really going to appreciate that) and one flying around that almost died saving your ass. Then just fly's off assuming that the rest of her crew would make it out safely or does she even care? You can't even use the age excuse anymore. Her and Jon Snow are relatively the same age but he has shown to be actually progressing as a character, yes he still may be too naive and kindhearted but also a good leader, tactician and fighter. You see scenes of him training with new Crows and being apart of the fold there. While Dany seems to just be holed up wherever settling petty squabbles and talking down to whoever is listening to her dumb ass. The only way her storyline could be salvaged is if she just ransacks Meereen, takes everything of value, says "f*** y'all, I'm out!" and the moves her campaign on to Westeros.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jun 8, 2015 11:45:22 GMT -5
A question about Danerys: Did Jorah infect her with greyscale when she took his hand?
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Post by clifford on Jun 8, 2015 12:00:10 GMT -5
Meryn Trant is enough of an asshole. There was really no need for Weiss and Benioff to make him a pedophile on top of it. I actually think that's just the case so they can justify Arya getting close enough to kill him.
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Post by Cela on Jun 8, 2015 12:02:50 GMT -5
A question about Danerys: Did Jorah infect her with greyscale when she took his hand? That would be hilarious.
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Post by Crimson on Jun 8, 2015 12:05:23 GMT -5
A question about Danerys: Did Jorah infect her with greyscale when she took his hand? Geez, I knew holding hands led to pregnancy, but now STDs too?
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Jun 8, 2015 12:12:10 GMT -5
A question about Danerys: Did Jorah infect her with greyscale when she took his hand? Geez, I knew holding hands led to pregnancy, but now STDs too? The show has been awfully vague about how one catches greyscale,but I'm assuming you have to have skin to skin contact with the infected area.if that's the case, then no, she wouldn't be in danger.
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Post by darbus alan on Jun 8, 2015 12:23:01 GMT -5
Greyscale seems to affect children more than anything. Like, in order to be an adult and catch it, you have to have contact with someone as far gone as the Stone Men. Jorah isn't that far gone, yet, so Dany should be safe.
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Post by cool guy on Jun 8, 2015 12:41:54 GMT -5
Not really. Revenants and similar creatures as main villains just don't cut it for me. There's not enough personality. Sure, they're evil, but the evil they inflict is like a giant disease. Deadly but lacking in personality or motive. Stannis is someone who we thought was a good guy who, through a combination of religious belief and pure avarice, had his daughter ritually sacrificed for a small sliver of a chance at being King of Westeros. That's a different kind of evil altogether, and one that makes for a much more interesting villain. Brienne's probably going to kill Show Stannis either next episode or very early next season. They can't have these two characters basically both at Winterfell and not pull the trigger. So his reign as top heel won't last that long. I don't know, they can't kill both Stannis and the Boltons, right? That's like most of the uppercard heels right there. I feel like he'll at least last for most of the next season.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 8, 2015 12:44:09 GMT -5
I was under the impression that in order to catch grayscale, it had to enter your blood stream, so holding hands with someone who has it wouldn't put you at risk. Besides, I doubt Jorah would do anything this stupid if it was that easy to infect someone with it.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jun 8, 2015 12:49:58 GMT -5
I wish we could see the Stannis vs. Ramsay fight play out in front of a Full Sail crowd. "Let's go Ramsay!" "Let's go Stannis!" They clash swords "Booooo" "YAAAAY!" "Booooo" "YAAAY!" "You're a bastard!" "NO HE'S NOT!" "Ramsay's gonna flay you. Ramsay's gonna flay you!"
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Post by Cela on Jun 8, 2015 12:56:39 GMT -5
I wish we could see the Stannis vs. Ramsay fight play out in front of a Full Sail crowd. "Let's go Ramsay!" "Let's go Stannis!" They clash swords "Booooo" "YAAAAY!" "Booooo" "YAAAY!" "You're a bastard!" "NO HE'S NOT!" "Ramsay's gonna flay you. Ramsay's gonna flay you!" "NORTH RE-MEMBERS!" "RED GOD SUCKS!"
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 8, 2015 13:32:11 GMT -5
can't Stannis and Ramsay kill each other then? I mean they both deserve it and now that the Night King's around it's not like any of the other heels matter.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 8, 2015 13:36:07 GMT -5
A special song for Stannis Baratheon. How could you be so heartless?
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Post by Fundertaker on Jun 8, 2015 13:52:55 GMT -5
A question about Danerys: Did Jorah infect her with greyscale when she took his hand? Dunno about Greyscale, but that's as close as he'll get to taking first base
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Post by Rubix Cube Johnny on Jun 8, 2015 14:29:09 GMT -5
Although the Dorne storyline is boring me a bit I am loving this season.
"Awwww did episode 6 make you all upset? Have a flaming child!"
It should be called Game of Thrones: Season "go cry on tumblr about it!"
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