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Post by Dub H on Jun 8, 2015 14:33:52 GMT -5
Well if there was a way to make me want Stannis to lose miserably and suffer as much as he can,that was it.
Also,pretty sure Jorah has AimBot.
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Post by Bobeddy on Jun 8, 2015 14:41:59 GMT -5
As a staunch and proud Stannis defender these past 3 years I will concede this wasn't exactly his finest moment.
Jesus. I think that was probably the most difficult scene I've ever watched in the show. And it was all done with sound and reactions of those watching it. Credit to Kerry Ingram, she absolutely nailed those horrible horrible death screams! Augh god.
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Post by Bobeddy on Jun 8, 2015 14:48:07 GMT -5
theres NO ONE on this show who hasnt got a black mark against his or hers name, no one is innocent, even Jon Snow and Ned Stark executed people for questionable reasons. The reasons given were desertion but I dont think its as clear cut as that, Ned's victim ran from a White Walker, maybe Ned shouldve believed him and gathered info on the Whites rather than "Off with his head!" and Jon's victim, while not the most honorable man was an old man looking for shelter, do they really deserve death? I wish people would stop pulling that defence. How is that an argument for anything? How is the fact that other characters have done morally ambiguous or even downright reprehensible supposed to make anything fair game? How is the fact that other characters did bad things even relevant? I'm sorry but even by Game of Thrones standards, burning your own daughter alive for your own benefit is a special kind of f'ed up. Obviously we need to see where the story and character goes but to me this seems like an event horizon as far as Stannis is concerned. And remember as the books (and I believe the show) have said, "no man is so accursed as the kinslayer".
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Post by clifford on Jun 8, 2015 14:51:38 GMT -5
As a staunch and proud Stannis defender these past 3 years I will concede this wasn't exactly his finest moment. Jesus. I think that was probably the most difficult scene I've ever watched in the show. And it was all done with sound and reactions of those watching it. Credit to Kerry Ingram, she absolutely nailed those horrible horrible death screams! Augh god. It was definitely this season's 'I feel physically ill after witnessing that' scene. See; Viper, Mountain, eyehole, fingers, melon splat.
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Post by Bobeddy on Jun 8, 2015 14:56:18 GMT -5
As a staunch and proud Stannis defender these past 3 years I will concede this wasn't exactly his finest moment. Jesus. I think that was probably the most difficult scene I've ever watched in the show. And it was all done with sound and reactions of those watching it. Credit to Kerry Ingram, she absolutely nailed those horrible horrible death screams! Augh god. It was definitely this season's 'I feel physically ill after witnessing that' scene. See; Viper, Mountain, eyehole, fingers, melon splat. I think this could be worse. With Oberyn a big part of the reaction is the visuals and the horror, whereas here we don't see ANY of it so our terrible terrible imaginations get to fill in the gaps.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jun 8, 2015 15:23:38 GMT -5
can't Stannis and Ramsay kill each other then? I mean they both deserve it and now that the Night King's around it's not like any of the other heels matter. After all that's happened.. are you sure the Night King's the heel in this? Really... the sum of the characters exploits are about one bad karma move away from him coming to war with "Real American" playing in the background.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 8, 2015 15:49:15 GMT -5
can't Stannis and Ramsay kill each other then? I mean they both deserve it and now that the Night King's around it's not like any of the other heels matter. After all that's happened.. are you sure the Night King's the heel in this? Really... the sum of the characters exploits are about one bad karma move away from him coming to war with "Real American" playing in the background. "I dropped the big leg on Stannis in front of 123,000,000 people in Winterfell, brother!"
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Post by Cela on Jun 8, 2015 16:14:13 GMT -5
In retrospect, the writing was a little too on the nose in this episode. Davos: Don't worry, we'll talk when I get back. ... Shireen: I sure like living! ... *Shireen plays with Stag toy against a backdrop of flames.* Also, this stings a bit more now
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Jun 8, 2015 16:26:34 GMT -5
So...we still don't know who the leader or organizer of the Sons of the Harpy are and the prime suspect is pretty much dead.
My best guess at this point is Varys. They made sure Dany didn't get settled in and forced her back to Westeros while eliminating an advisor to make room for Tyrion
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 8, 2015 16:28:18 GMT -5
Brienne's probably going to kill Show Stannis either next episode or very early next season. They can't have these two characters basically both at Winterfell and not pull the trigger. So his reign as top heel won't last that long. I don't know, they can't kill both Stannis and the Boltons, right? That's like most of the uppercard heels right there. I feel like he'll at least last for most of the next season. Littlefinger did say he could sweep in with the Knights of the Vale, a completely fresh, untouched military force. How bad are things when of the 3, Littlefinger would be the face?
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Jun 8, 2015 16:39:04 GMT -5
I don't know, they can't kill both Stannis and the Boltons, right? That's like most of the uppercard heels right there. I feel like he'll at least last for most of the next season. Littlefinger did say he could sweep in with the Knights of the Vale, a completely fresh, untouched military force. How bad are things when of the 3, Littlefinger would be the face? Brienne is still there and lurking and wanting revenge against Stannis. Hopefully Stannis and his army arrive to find that the Boltons has already been killed by Theon and Sansa rendering his sacrifice completely unnecessary. Before he can even contemplate what that means, he gets run through with Oathkeeper
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Post by Bobeddy on Jun 8, 2015 16:56:46 GMT -5
Book readers, big question. Next week, do we get to see the BIG moment everyone's been anticipating since the end of Book 5? Dany suffering from diarrhea. My best guess at this point is Varys. They made sure Dany didn't get settled in and forced her back to Westeros while eliminating an advisor to make room for Tyrion While I'm not discounting your theory, one of the reasons doesn't apply as Dany already made Tyrion her advisor even with Hizdahr still alive.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jun 8, 2015 17:27:09 GMT -5
Brienne's probably going to kill Show Stannis either next episode or very early next season. They can't have these two characters basically both at Winterfell and not pull the trigger. So his reign as top heel won't last that long. I don't know, they can't kill both Stannis and the Boltons, right? That's like most of the uppercard heels right there. I feel like he'll at least last for most of the next season. I don't think Roose is going anywhere, I think he'll pay for the Red Wedding another time. Ramsay, on the other hand, has overstayed his welcome. I have book reasons to believe that. {Spoiler}In regards with the books, I believe Stannis lost the battle of Winterfell so him being killed by Brienne doesn't effect the rest of the story. Though that means, Ramsay is still alive in the books. ugh.
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Post by Lazy peon on Jun 8, 2015 17:28:46 GMT -5
Dunno why everyone's so mad at Stannis, Shireen said she'd do anything to help him.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 8, 2015 17:45:02 GMT -5
In retrospect, the writing was a little too on the nose in this episode. Davos: Don't worry, we'll talk when I get back. ... Shireen: I sure like living! ... *Shireen plays with Stag toy against a backdrop of flames.* Also, this stings a bit more now Of course it's obvious in hindsight. That's how tons of foreshadowing tends to be. Not trying to jump down your throat specifically over this but I've been seeing it lodged as a complaint by legions of people online as fuel for angry book-readers to shit on the show and say how awful D&D are and how Show Stannis is ruined, etc. I personally think it makes Stannis that much more interesting and compelling as a tragic anti-hero. This series has got to have one of the most reactionary fanbases out of anything besides maybe wrestling, though.
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Post by Cela on Jun 8, 2015 17:45:29 GMT -5
Book readers, big question. Next week, do we get to see the BIG moment everyone's been anticipating since the end of Book 5? Dany suffering from diarrhea. Dany's diarrhea was the moment I turned against George RR Martin.
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Post by chrom on Jun 8, 2015 17:45:49 GMT -5
I don't know, they can't kill both Stannis and the Boltons, right? That's like most of the uppercard heels right there. I feel like he'll at least last for most of the next season. I don't think Roose is going anywhere, I think he'll pay for the Red Wedding another time. Ramsay, on the other hand, has overstayed his welcome. I have book reasons to believe that. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}In regards with the books, I believe Stannis lost the battle of Winterfell so him being killed by Brienne doesn't effect the rest of the story. Though that means, Ramsay is still alive in the books. ugh. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Not likely, he was last seen in the books after having won a skirmish facing a Frey Commander at Winterfell who was known for being brash and making actions without thinking and was counting on him making a stupid mistake. Odds are it's a stalemate for now and they were bluffing when they said he was killed.
But Ramsay has far and ahead overstayed his welcome, even Tywin had some losses and setbacks, they have turned Ramsay into a Villain Sue.
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Post by Cela on Jun 8, 2015 17:47:24 GMT -5
In retrospect, the writing was a little too on the nose in this episode. Davos: Don't worry, we'll talk when I get back. ... Shireen: I sure like living! ... *Shireen plays with Stag toy against a backdrop of flames.* Also, this stings a bit more now Of course it's obvious in hindsight. That's how tons of foreshadowing tends to be. Not trying to jump down your throat specifically over this but I've been seeing it lodged as a complaint by legions of people online as fuel for angry book-readers to shit on the show and say how awful D&D are and how Show Stannis is ruined, etc. I personally think it makes Stannis that much more interesting and compelling as a tragic anti-hero. This series has got to have one of the most reactionary fanbases out of anything besides maybe wrestling, though. It was obvious at the time too.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jun 8, 2015 17:55:58 GMT -5
Dunno why everyone's so mad at Stannis, Shireen said she'd do anything to help him. I was thinking about how it would play out if Shireen did actually know she was going to be sacrificed. Like either she overheard Stannis and Melisandre, or maybe Melisandre got to her and showed her something in the fire, or she just had a premonition herself and she loves her dad so much that she was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to help him take Winterfell. Would've been an interesting twist over just Stannis straight up burning his only daughter alive against her will.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 8, 2015 18:02:34 GMT -5
Of course it's obvious in hindsight. That's how tons of foreshadowing tends to be. Not trying to jump down your throat specifically over this but I've been seeing it lodged as a complaint by legions of people online as fuel for angry book-readers to shit on the show and say how awful D&D are and how Show Stannis is ruined, etc. I personally think it makes Stannis that much more interesting and compelling as a tragic anti-hero. This series has got to have one of the most reactionary fanbases out of anything besides maybe wrestling, though. It was obvious at the time too. Which I would also argue isn't inherently bad and was done well in the episode. I personally have my gripes about how they didn't effectively show just how desperate the situation was as due to the constraint of the schedule they couldn't just spare the time to show a few episodes of them pissing about waist-deep in snow with men starving and losing morale, but I still think it was as well done as possible. I'm interested in seeing where it goes next.
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