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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jun 8, 2015 18:11:18 GMT -5
"Greyscale is extremely infectious, spread through touch contact with an infected person, or even spread on unsterilized objects that have been touched by the infected. A single touch from an infected person is enough to spread the disease to another person"
and i'd not worry about stannis taking the throne, no matter what he does, as the throne will be MELTED DOWN when that nice dragon lady arrives
poor shireen but daddy was in a right pickle ..... can't go back and really can't go forward either ..... whats' a future king and ruler gotta do eh? and i still think there's sommit rotten in all of this stannis / bolton thing, and think of the poor guards who "let" ramsey in and bugger them up even more!!!
and TWO epic episode endings in a row???
last weeks was staggering, this weeks was AWESOME, and drogon saving the day EEEEEEEEPICNESS ..... wonder if hazi had anything to do with the SotH getting their final licks in? all attack of the clones at the end anyone start singing A WHOLE NEW WORLD when daenerys climbed aboard and flew off?
i didn't
and isn't that convenient timing that mace tyrell and meryn trant arrives at the braavos, and arya is almost atop them and tut tut mr trant for liking them young ..... we know how the wee redhead is gonna get close to him now ..... get yer cringe faces ready for THAT
now some of you don't really like the whole doran scenes, but it produced the funniest in the 'hands' of the sand snakes ..... but what a lovely surprise jaime and mace will get when they return to kings landing .....
and remember folks, every shot of something touching / cutting something else WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES ..... no antidote around a pretty neck for that this time!
welp, next week is a-coming, so expect the internet to break .....
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 8, 2015 18:19:58 GMT -5
Book readers, big question. Next week, do we get to see the BIG moment everyone's been anticipating since the end of Book 5? Dany suffering from diarrhea. Dany's diarrhea was the moment I turned against George RR Martin. Hershey Squirts: more gruesome then human sacrifices or mass murder.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 8, 2015 18:40:23 GMT -5
In retrospect, the writing was a little too on the nose in this episode. Davos: Don't worry, we'll talk when I get back. ... Shireen: I sure like living! ... *Shireen plays with Stag toy against a backdrop of flames.* Also, this stings a bit more now "Darn, she wrote Niggit..." -Havok
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Post by Hakumental on Jun 8, 2015 19:46:06 GMT -5
I'll give my take on the Stannis thing. A couple points:
1. Not all, but a lot of the support for Stannis is probably owed to support for his characterization in the books, and the hope that his show counterpart would eventually live up to it. I don't think it's editorializing to say Stannis is a much different (and IMO, better-realized) character in the novels, where a core aspect of the character is his devotion to justice. He wants the Iron Throne not because of "ambition" - as it is in the show - but because he believes he is the lawful king. He says it as much to Davos when they're behind closed doors:
Suffice it to say, the character as portrayed on the show is a much different person. (I find him barely recognizable, to be honest.) He would not give the speech I just quoted. If justice is the animating concept behind Book Stannis, ambition is the one behind HBO Stannis.
2. GRRM is almost certainly aware that the character on the TV show is not the character he's written in the books. Stannis isn't alone in this; Littlefinger and Bronn are way different in the show, too. I would guess he pitched the idea to give D&D a dramatic scene and weld the story into...something resembling the direction the novels are taking it. He's probably made his peace with the fact that the show's going to go its own way while the books go another, and this was just one more fork in the road they had to get past.
With all that said, I still don't really think this twist was a good idea. We're a pro wrestling board, so we have a certain perspective on this: it is hard to book a match between two monster heels, especially when they keep gunning for nuclear heat. If the audience doesn't have someone to cheer for, they're not going to be hot for the match. There are exceptions here and there (Edge and Randy Orton, despite being both heels at the time, had a great match on RAW once upon a time), but I think it impacts the emotional connection of the audience if both sides of a climactic battle are choked to the brim with assholes you'd like to see die painfully.
But...I am a little amused, since this is all because Ramsay 20-manned Alterac Valley.
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Post by Crimson on Jun 8, 2015 19:50:06 GMT -5
I know there's now a spin that Stannis was doing what needed to be done, but I think my biggest issue with the scene is that up to this point, the biggest thing Stannis had going for him was that he was just to those who were loyal to him. That's what separated him from the Lannisters and even Daenerys to a degree. While this may win him the battle, there is no real rationale he can give to explain to his future allies.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 8, 2015 19:59:09 GMT -5
Get ready for the fanbase to turn on someone else next week because I think: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Bronn takes the Darkstar role and maims or kills Myrcella. That will be due to him being seduced by...Tyene I want to say and she'll manipulate him into doing that and running off.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jun 8, 2015 20:05:12 GMT -5
Get ready for the fanbase to turn on someone else next week because I think: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Bronn takes the Darkstar role and maims or kills Myrcella. That will be due to him being seduced by...Tyene I want to say and she'll manipulate him into doing that and running off. Why do you think that?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 8, 2015 20:09:39 GMT -5
Get ready for the fanbase to turn on someone else next week because I think: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Bronn takes the Darkstar role and maims or kills Myrcella. That will be due to him being seduced by...Tyene I want to say and she'll manipulate him into doing that and running off. Why do you think that? {Spoiler}It's clear that he's being seduced and manipulated by that one Sand Snake. Their mission to kill Myrcella failed the first time around. Why not use a sellsword who think of nothing other than what he can do to advance himself to do it for you when the party escorting her back to King's Landing least expects it?
It's a long shot prediction but, I think that would be something that they could do as a shocking end to the lackluster Dorne storyline.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jun 8, 2015 20:18:19 GMT -5
It's clear that he's being seduced and manipulated by that one Sand Snake. Their mission to kill Myrcella failed the first time around. Why not use a sellsword who think of nothing other than what he can do to advance himself to do it for you when the party escorting her back to King's Landing least expects it?
It's a long shot prediction but, I think that would be something that they could do as a shocking end to the lackluster Dorne storyline. I've been wrong on my predictions this season so I'll go with it.
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Post by Cela on Jun 8, 2015 21:22:43 GMT -5
So, in terms of something that is likely happening next week. How big do you think the shitstorm is going to be on the outrage blogs when: {Spoiler}Cersei in stripped naked and walks through the street with the masses jeering at her?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 8, 2015 21:57:40 GMT -5
So, in terms of something that is likely happening next week. How big do you think the shitstorm is going to be on the outrage blogs when: Cersei in stripped naked and walks through the street with the masses jeering at her? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}What will be funny about the outrage that scene will get is that said blogs will not realize that the whole point of that scene is to bring about the discussion they will be trying to have. It's supposed to make everyone think about just what exactly justice really is and when is the line to cruelty and humiliation crossed. Especially in regards to the punishment of female criminals in a medieval setting. Of course, they'll be too busy seeing red to realize that they themselves ended up helping the narrative of the show they claim to be so pissed off at.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jun 8, 2015 21:58:58 GMT -5
Just watched my first episode of Game Of Thrones since the season 2 finale.
I was hearing a lot of good things about it on Facebook, and was tempted to check it out.
Did not disappoint, especially the ending.
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Post by ICBM on Jun 8, 2015 22:38:05 GMT -5
{Spoiler}On Cersi's shaming: in the books she is as diabolical as on the show. But it is the slow breaking of her that is far more important than the culmination. She resisted so well bc she is a lioness. When she broke the significance was huge but gets lost in the punishment. How she comes back is still up in the air. But if she regains anything of what she was, the Sept of Bailor will be an empty spot and the earth where it stood will first be dusted with the ashes of all the faithful then slated so that nothing can ever even hope to grow in its place. But...they broke her so strongly that it is literally the only was to write out or transition from such a huge character. How else can you move away from someone that integral to the books? Any death would not be strong enough for fans after all she has done. Phasing her out is tough as hell unless you destroy everything she has. That is what Martin has done to her. I'd rather see her super cena comeback than have her be phased out. I love to hate her
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Post by Goldenbane on Jun 8, 2015 22:39:40 GMT -5
Why does everyone keep mentioning D&D on this thread? I know they are both "Medieval Fantasies," but I fail to see how Dungeons and Dragons has had any influence on the show, GRRM, or books at all. Is GRRM an admitted fan/former player or something? D&D is not at fault people!
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Jun 9, 2015 0:57:55 GMT -5
Book readers, big question. Next week, do we get to see the BIG moment everyone's been anticipating since the end of Book 5? Dany suffering from diarrhea. My best guess at this point is Varys. They made sure Dany didn't get settled in and forced her back to Westeros while eliminating an advisor to make room for Tyrion While I'm not discounting your theory, one of the reasons doesn't apply as Dany already made Tyrion her advisor even with Hizdahr still alive. Not Hizdahr. Think back to what happened to Grey Worm and Selvy Barristan. Hell Varys was probably the person who sent the evidence of Jorah being a spy for King Robert as well
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 9, 2015 3:33:25 GMT -5
Why does everyone keep mentioning D&D on this thread? I know they are both "Medieval Fantasies," but I fail to see how Dungeons and Dragons has had any influence on the show, GRRM, or books at all. Is GRRM an admitted fan/former player or something? D&D is not at fault people! D&D are the showrunners, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss. They control where the show story goes so the blames goes on them.
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Post by Bobeddy on Jun 9, 2015 7:08:54 GMT -5
Book readers, big question. Next week, do we get to see the BIG moment everyone's been anticipating since the end of Book 5? Dany suffering from diarrhea. While I'm not discounting your theory, one of the reasons doesn't apply as Dany already made Tyrion her advisor even with Hizdahr still alive. Not Hizdahr. Think back to what happened to Grey Worm and Selvy Barristan. Hell Varys was probably the person who sent the evidence of Jorah being a spy for King Robert as well Ah right, I see what you're saying. Point retracted. And Varys was the one who sent the pardon from Robert. I'm pretty sure Tywin said something like "do your little birds fly as far as Mereen?".
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Post by clifford on Jun 9, 2015 11:22:17 GMT -5
I was just thinking that Daenerys should have a relatively easy conquering of Westeros once she finally gets there.
What's left of forces in the North will be further depleted after the Stannis/Bolton showdown.
Littlefinger will absolutely pledge his army to one with Dragons.
Dorne will also fall in line quite easily given its history with the Targaryens.
The Tyrells will probably jump ship too. Hell, Margaery will probably attempt to marry Daenerys.
I think the show has forgotten about the Iron Islanders.
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Post by Cela on Jun 9, 2015 12:02:03 GMT -5
I was just thinking that Daenerys should have a relatively easy conquering of Westeros once she finally gets there. What's left of forces in the North will be further depleted after the Stannis/Bolton showdown. Littlefinger will absolutely pledge his army to one with Dragons. Dorne will also fall in line quite easily given its history with the Targaryens. The Tyrells will probably jump ship too. Hell, Margaery will probably attempt to marry Daenerys. I think the show has forgotten about the Iron Islanders. Dorne's history with the Targaryens is "You didn't beat us, losers! Bend the knee? HAHAHAHAHA! Go for it!" Littlefinger will pledge to whoever has power, then slowly murder everyone. Iron Islands love cooperation. And as Tyrion said, the Tyrells are not enough. When Aegon conquered the realm, he had a dragon the size of a football field, and two sister wives with similar sized ones. And Dorne still managed to kill one wife and dragon combo. Dany may have delusions of grandeur, but she has a long way to go before conquering.
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Post by ICBM on Jun 9, 2015 12:20:35 GMT -5
If the show has forgotten about the Iron Islanders, please don't remind them. If they were WWE superstars they would be selling a lot of popcorn and John Cena t-shirts. A time waster and a boring one at that.
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