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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 14, 2015 21:59:19 GMT -5
I'm not even sure that either Jon, Edd, or Tormund ever even mentioned exactly what happened at Hardhome. They just kind of came back and agreed to never speak of it again I guess. Even with the growing mutiny.
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Post by chrom on Jun 14, 2015 22:05:00 GMT -5
Doesn't matter to me what happens next, I said to myself with all the adaptations they are doing and characters being written out and bastardized that after the season finale I'm done with this show and I'm sticking to my word.
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Post by Cela on Jun 14, 2015 22:06:16 GMT -5
I hate playing the "it wasn't like this in the books, waaaah" card, but what happened to Jon really makes a lot less sense here, given that multiple members of the Watch got to see firsthand what kind of threat the Walkers presented. I get that they've got time constraints, but a lot of this came off...yeah, I agree, "messy" is a good word. Worked for me. The Watch hates Wildlings. Thorne already hated him. They set it up all season, just not with that many.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 14, 2015 22:08:02 GMT -5
I already have my death pool for next season:
Jorah Daario Asha/Yara Balon Tommen
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Post by chrom on Jun 14, 2015 22:18:52 GMT -5
I hate playing the "it wasn't like this in the books, waaaah" card, but what happened to Jon really makes a lot less sense here, given that multiple members of the Watch got to see firsthand what kind of threat the Walkers presented. I get that they've got time constraints, but a lot of this came off...yeah, I agree, "messy" is a good word. I was mentioning that in another forum, the betrayal here is stupid. In the books, {Spoiler}Jon was going to abandon to Watch to march against the Bolton's. Here though, it's all over their stupid grudge against the Wildlings. "**** the end of the world coming, I don't like them Wildlings!" You're better off rooting for The White Walkers if everyone is apparently so idiotic short sighted and narrow minded. I honestly see no one worth caring for now. Maybe Tyrion but that's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 22:30:32 GMT -5
I hate playing the "it wasn't like this in the books, waaaah" card, but what happened to Jon really makes a lot less sense here, given that multiple members of the Watch got to see firsthand what kind of threat the Walkers presented. I get that they've got time constraints, but a lot of this came off...yeah, I agree, "messy" is a good word. Worked for me. The Watch hates Wildlings. Thorne already hated him. They set it up all season, just not with that many. Follow principled, highly successful leader or follow inept buffoon who can't be trusted? Follow inept buffoon who can't be trusted, please!Make peace with people, or get killed by revenants and doom the world? Get killed by revenants and doom the world, please!A little hatred here and there, I understand, but the gaps in logic are of psychotic proportions.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 14, 2015 22:31:12 GMT -5
I was mentioning that in another forum, the betrayal here is stupid. In the books, {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Jon was going to abandon to Watch to march against the Bolton's. Here though, it's all over their stupid grudge against the Wildlings. "**** the end of the world coming, I don't like them Wildlings!" You're better off rooting for The White Walkers if everyone is apparently so idiotic short sighted and narrow minded. I honestly see no one worth caring for now. Maybe Tyrion but that's about it. Think about the Night's King: 1. He cares about his people. 2. He kills people, sure, but he gives them second life. 3. His people believe him in. So yeah, Night's King for the Iron Throne. F*** it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 14, 2015 22:33:45 GMT -5
Worked for me. The Watch hates Wildlings. Thorne already hated him. They set it up all season, just not with that many. Follow principled, highly successful leader or follow inept buffoon who can't be trusted? Follow inept buffoon who can't be trusted, please!Make peace with people, or get killed by revenants and doom the world? Get killed by revenants and doom the world, please!A little hatred here and there, I understand, but the gaps in logic are of psychotic proportions. Beyond that, it's like crimson said; the book reason for the betrayal just worked better as a "this is the last straw" moment, one that could actually be at least somewhat comprehended, even if it was still kind of forced and over the top. I do see some folks saying "I loved the ending, welcome to the real world" or whatever, but it's hard to say the show, at least, is being particularly realistic when Ramsay is goddamned invincible.
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Post by Crimson on Jun 14, 2015 22:35:10 GMT -5
So come Season 6, I'm expecting Cersei Lannister to have a complete mental breakdown considering Myrcella bit the bullet. Unless Mace Tyrell fully wooed the Iron Banks, she'll neither have the funds nor the manpower to launch a war against the Sparrows and then Dorne.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 14, 2015 22:37:44 GMT -5
So come Season 6, I'm expecting Cersei Lannister to have a complete mental breakdown considering Myrcella bit the bullet. Unless Mace Tyrell fully wooed the Iron Banks, she'll neither have the funds nor the manpower to launch a war against the Sparrows and then Dorne. No, but she has her own undead fighter who holds a sword while the sparrows have clubs. She won't be able to get at the Tyrells but, what do the Sparrows have that can combat Franken-Gregor?
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Post by Cyno on Jun 14, 2015 22:41:57 GMT -5
Follow principled, highly successful leader or follow inept buffoon who can't be trusted? Follow inept buffoon who can't be trusted, please!Make peace with people, or get killed by revenants and doom the world? Get killed by revenants and doom the world, please!A little hatred here and there, I understand, but the gaps in logic are of psychotic proportions. Beyond that, it's like crimson said; the book reason for the betrayal just worked better as a "this is the last straw" moment, one that could actually be at least somewhat comprehended, even if it was still kind of forced and over the top. I do see some folks saying "I loved the ending, welcome to the real world" or whatever, but it's hard to say the show, at least, is being particularly realistic when Ramsay is goddamned invincible. Another thing with the books is that no one actually LIKED stabbing Jon, but felt it needed to be done in order to uphold the code of the Watch. Bowen Marsh had tears in his eyes when he delivered his blow.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 14, 2015 22:42:40 GMT -5
When you think about it, Melisandre really was an inefficient advisor. The only useful thing she ever did for Stannis was take care of Renly.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jun 14, 2015 22:46:08 GMT -5
My reaction to Snow's death: ![](http://media.tumblr.com/b477ec357b52ec4b98fdd6f87169a701/tumblr_inline_mwn5814j6d1rl4z5c.gif) I finally don't have to sit through scenes for a character I could give two craps about.
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Post by chrom on Jun 14, 2015 22:46:42 GMT -5
You're better off rooting for The White Walkers if everyone is apparently so idiotic short sighted and narrow minded. I honestly see no one worth caring for now. Maybe Tyrion but that's about it. Think about the Night's King: 1. He cares about his people. 2. He kills people, sure, but he gives them second life. 3. His people believe him in. So yeah, Night's King for the Iron Throne. F*** it. We all expected that those babies from Craster's Keep would wind up being eaten or become a wall decoration by them, turns out they adopt them into their society and they come off as more humane than 99% of those in Westeros.
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Post by LuciCypher on Jun 14, 2015 22:49:45 GMT -5
I loved that finale it had everything I wanted. I still think it makes sense with people betraying Jon there are just some cultural hatred that's too deeply engrained to let go. Even though he was going nowhere I was still rooting for Stannis.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 22:52:19 GMT -5
Follow principled, highly successful leader or follow inept buffoon who can't be trusted? Follow inept buffoon who can't be trusted, please!Make peace with people, or get killed by revenants and doom the world? Get killed by revenants and doom the world, please!A little hatred here and there, I understand, but the gaps in logic are of psychotic proportions. Beyond that, it's like crimson said; the book reason for the betrayal just worked better as a "this is the last straw" moment, one that could actually be at least somewhat comprehended, even if it was still kind of forced and over the top. I do see some folks saying "I loved the ending, welcome to the real world" or whatever, but it's hard to say the show, at least, is being particularly realistic when Ramsay is goddamned invincible. Do you get the feeling that they're trying too hard to be dark? I sure do. Selling unrealistic things is part and parcel of fiction, but the overwhelming majority of unrealistic things that define fiction are things designed to satisfy the audience. Unless you have an audience comprised mostly of masochists, selling things that are negative and implausible will go over very badly (Mass Effect 3 may be the best example of this in modern commercial fiction). The Freys and the Boltons are horrible people and just about everyone knows it. How come nobody rises up against them?
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 14, 2015 23:00:38 GMT -5
Beyond that, it's like crimson said; the book reason for the betrayal just worked better as a "this is the last straw" moment, one that could actually be at least somewhat comprehended, even if it was still kind of forced and over the top. I do see some folks saying "I loved the ending, welcome to the real world" or whatever, but it's hard to say the show, at least, is being particularly realistic when Ramsay is goddamned invincible. Do you get the feeling that they're trying too hard to be dark? I sure do. Selling unrealistic things is part and parcel of fiction, but the overwhelming majority of unrealistic things that define fiction are things designed to satisfy the audience. Unless you have an audience comprised mostly of masochists, selling things that are negative and implausible will go over very badly (Mass Effect 3 may be the best example of this in modern commercial fiction). The Freys and the Boltons are horrible people and just about everyone knows it. How come nobody rises up against them?I think the writers felt like the show had to live up to a reputation of sorts, and turned up the cruelty and misery up as a result, but now it kind of feels like the hook is just "How much shittier can everything be?".
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Post by chrom on Jun 14, 2015 23:01:27 GMT -5
Beyond that, it's like crimson said; the book reason for the betrayal just worked better as a "this is the last straw" moment, one that could actually be at least somewhat comprehended, even if it was still kind of forced and over the top. I do see some folks saying "I loved the ending, welcome to the real world" or whatever, but it's hard to say the show, at least, is being particularly realistic when Ramsay is goddamned invincible. Do you get the feeling that they're trying too hard to be dark? I sure do. Selling unrealistic things is part and parcel of fiction, but the overwhelming majority of unrealistic things that define fiction are things designed to satisfy the audience. Unless you have an audience comprised mostly of masochists, selling things that are negative and implausible will go over very badly (Mass Effect 3 may be the best example of this in modern commercial fiction). The Freys and the Boltons are horrible people and just about everyone knows it. How come nobody rises up against them?Because they decided to write out those who did rise up against them in favor of whatever it is that you call The Sand Snakes acting.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Jun 14, 2015 23:02:55 GMT -5
So come Season 6, I'm expecting Cersei Lannister to have a complete mental breakdown considering Myrcella bit the bullet. Unless Mace Tyrell fully wooed the Iron Banks, she'll neither have the funds nor the manpower to launch a war against the Sparrows and then Dorne. I expect a Cersei face turn. She has the Mountain to get revenge on her behalf for what she went through. She will choose to send him to Dorne to avenge her child rather than herself. Her characters one saving grace is that she does truly love her children. It wouldn't be a huge departure for her and could set her up as a likeable character going forward
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Post by Crimson on Jun 14, 2015 23:04:27 GMT -5
So come Season 6, I'm expecting Cersei Lannister to have a complete mental breakdown considering Myrcella bit the bullet. Unless Mace Tyrell fully wooed the Iron Banks, she'll neither have the funds nor the manpower to launch a war against the Sparrows and then Dorne. No, but she has her own undead fighter who holds a sword while the sparrows have clubs. She won't be able to get at the Tyrells but, what do the Sparrows have that can combat Franken-Gregor? The Common Folk. They've clearly sided with the Sparrows against the Crown. Not that I expect anyone to take Franken-Gregor in a fight, but Cersei, logically mind you, can't burn the city she wants to rule to the ground.
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