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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 18, 2015 14:53:23 GMT -5
Worst = Scream 3
Sidney had a long lost brother, who convinced Stu and Billy to kill Sidney's mother, then became a director and wanted to kill.....meh who cares?
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lionheart21
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Post by lionheart21 on Jun 18, 2015 15:01:28 GMT -5
Least Favourite = New 52 Mr.Freeze and his relationship with Nora. Went from a guy that would do despicable things for the chance to get the love of his life back to just another Batman villain wackjob that needlessly became creepy and unhinged in a rogues gallery that is already filled with that type of villain. This gets my vote. They took a villain with a complex character that both made you despise and sympathize with him at the same time, and turned him into what he is now.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 18, 2015 15:16:47 GMT -5
Least Favourite = New 52 Mr.Freeze and his relationship with Nora. Went from a guy that would do despicable things for the chance to get the love of his life back to just another Batman villain wackjob that needlessly became creepy and unhinged in a rogues gallery that is already filled with that type of villain. This gets my vote. They took a villain with a complex character that both made you despise and sympathize with him at the same time, and turned him into what he is now. And THIS is why I still say Bruce Timm should have been given a big role in DC Comics in general. The comics themselves and more. Just look at what they did to his two creations!
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 18, 2015 15:17:45 GMT -5
I'll see and raise Vince McMahon's whole feud with the Ministry being an elaborate ruse to play mind games with Steve Austin I'll see you and raise that St. Elsewhere and therefore almost all of television is really an autistic child's daydream ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I'll see you that and raise you MTM deciding that in reruns, this never happened:
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 18, 2015 15:33:24 GMT -5
BAD: The Mandarin. You know the deal by now... BAD: Firestorm was really Earth's fire elemental all along, and was meant to choose Martin Stein only...then Ronnie Raymond got in the way. GOOD/INDIFFERENT: I guess it didn't bother me cause I never read Zero Hour, but I didn't think the true nature of Parallax was that bad.
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Jun 18, 2015 17:42:23 GMT -5
Best: The Doctor Who novels suggested that the Sixth Doctor's regeneration (formerly done with the underwhelming excuse of the Doctor falling off an exercise bike when the TARDIS is pulled off course) was actually partially due to the awakening consciousness of the yet-to-exist Seventh Doctor sacrificing his former self to become the more manipulative 'Time's Champion' and also to stop himself from becoming the Valeyard, the evil future self he'd met shortly before his regeneration.
Worst: The Cybermen are evolved versions of the Voord, because Marinus and Mondas start with the same letter so why not? Also we're going to kill off Jamie McCrimmon just to justify a confusing line from a 20-year old (at the time) story. Thanks, Grant Morrison. Never work on Doctor Who again, please.
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Post by karl100589 on Jun 18, 2015 18:03:19 GMT -5
worst- "Hey, Steve Austin never went against the company that made him and tried to destroy it, he's always been the affable, beer swilling redneck you know and love"
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 18, 2015 18:32:03 GMT -5
I would say having Magneto be the twins' father is another example of a retcon that worked very well. and now they've retconned that retcon ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Presumably to align the two with their movie counterparts, who don't have Magneto for a dad. That may not be true, but then again, I'm leery of things Marvel does these days to make their characters like the MCU versions.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 18, 2015 18:33:11 GMT -5
Favorite: As much as Alexander Siddig disliked it, the revelation of Bashir's {Spoiler}genetic enhancement on ST:DS9 added a lot of depth to his character; a lot of his past bits (missing a supposedly easy exam question, the lack of communication to his parents, his role as himself in his spy program) make more sense and his early personality (the insufferable and occasionally arrogant twit) is much more understandable as a cover for his own shame and resentment over his condition. Least Favorite: Sybok as Spock's half-brother in Final Frontier. What gets me is that even beyond being dumb, out of nowhere, and heavily contrived, is that this retcon is entirely unnecessary. Spock could have easily had a close relationship with a young Sybok growing up that didn't have to be brotherly. Honestly it makes far more sense of Sybok was an older cousin from Sarek's side of the family whose embracing of emotion was so disturbing and scandalous that it made Sarek even more determined to raise his own son as a proper Vulcan, and unconsciously affected Spock's efforts in restraining his own emotion. Granted none of this would have saved Final Frontier, but at least it would have not been an awkward sticking point in the otherwise consistent history of one of the main characters. Mostly favorite: A lot of this is due to Hurt's performance, but I overall like the creation of the War Doctor on Doctor Who. An entire life of the Doctor's not being filled with clever solutions or friendships with his Companions, but one long, bitter, and painful existence with destructive war adds a nice sense of consequences to his existence and further emphasizes why he is such an occasional optimistic quasi-pacifist with child-like tendencies. Such a view is an understandable alternative to the grim and pragmatic reality of adult conflict which he spent far too long making his way through. Overall the War Doctor's time serves as an eternal low point that the Doctor is always going to have in this back of his mind that shades his personality in every cycle since.
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Post by Main Eventer on Jun 18, 2015 18:45:35 GMT -5
Worst: Simpsons and That '90s Show.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 18, 2015 19:00:08 GMT -5
Least Favorite: Sybok as Spock's half-brother in Final Frontier. What gets me is that even beyond being dumb, out of nowhere, and heavily contrived, is that this retcon is entirely unnecessary. Spock could have easily had a close relationship with a young Sybok growing up that didn't have to be brotherly. Honestly it makes far more sense of Sybok was an older cousin from Sarek's side of the family whose embracing of emotion was so disturbing and scandalous that it made Sarek even more determined to raise his own son as a proper Vulcan, and unconsciously affected Spock's efforts in restraining his own emotion. Granted none of this would have saved Final Frontier, but at least it would have not been an awkward sticking point in the otherwise consistent history of one of the main characters. That one pissed me off because it showed the wise and rational Sarek rejecting his son for being too human. A person as logical as Sarek would have known that having a child with a human woman would inevitably lead to that child being somewhat human at least.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 18, 2015 19:04:35 GMT -5
Sins Past and One More Day.
A double whammy that still irks me that they did my favorite comic character that way.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 18, 2015 19:06:55 GMT -5
Worst: Hal Jordan and Parallax. Okay, yeah, Hal's heel turn was a little...rushed, but it was pretty momentous that a guy who'd been firmly good (if dumb) over the years became a galactic threat. Trying to kick off the relaunch of his green lantern career with "Oh, he was actually possessed in a moment of weakness" as opposed to "He got old, snapped, and hell broke loose" still seems so wrong even after they established this Rainbow Corps stuff. Best: No, folks, Rocky V didn't happen. Stallone has spoken. Like Star Trek, it just went from IV to VI. It works so well, because Rocky VI occurs in like, 2006, so Rocky's become kind of a footnote in the biz without fading into complete poverty and irrelevance like in V. They erased a whole movie with little to no damage to the overall plot. THAT's a retcon. That Hal Jordan/Parallax retcon put me off comics for several years. I can see that. I'll give Johns credit though, it actually was a creative and smart way to bring back 'heroic Hal'. I don't know that I'm that crazy about it, but it at least fit really well into what he was trying to do.
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Post by agent817 on Jun 18, 2015 19:10:01 GMT -5
Worst: Undertaker was NEVER a biker.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 18, 2015 19:21:28 GMT -5
and now they've retconned that retcon ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Presumably to align the two with their movie counterparts, who don't have Magneto for a dad. That may not be true, but then again, I'm leery of things Marvel does these days to make their characters like the MCU versions. and the retcon seems to have been ignored by everyone, leaving its canonicity in doubt.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 18, 2015 19:49:19 GMT -5
Least Favorite: Sybok as Spock's half-brother in Final Frontier. What gets me is that even beyond being dumb, out of nowhere, and heavily contrived, is that this retcon is entirely unnecessary. Spock could have easily had a close relationship with a young Sybok growing up that didn't have to be brotherly. Honestly it makes far more sense of Sybok was an older cousin from Sarek's side of the family whose embracing of emotion was so disturbing and scandalous that it made Sarek even more determined to raise his own son as a proper Vulcan, and unconsciously affected Spock's efforts in restraining his own emotion. Granted none of this would have saved Final Frontier, but at least it would have not been an awkward sticking point in the otherwise consistent history of one of the main characters. That one pissed me off because it showed the wise and rational Sarek rejecting his son for being too human. A person as logical as Sarek would have known that having a child with a human woman would inevitably lead to that child being somewhat human at least. Also as far as Sybok's mother, Vulcans having royalty like a princess (even in a ceremonial role) seems really at odds with their government, and like everything else related to the movie has been entirely ignored by the rest of Trek canon.
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Post by Injustice45 on Jun 18, 2015 23:02:19 GMT -5
Worst: Kane's backstory. The whole "Katie Vick" thing contradicts everything that occurred in his feud with Taker back in '98. Just Katie Vick in general.
Ryu beating Sagat because of the Satsui no Hado seems kinda lame, and it takes away from his victory in the first tournament. That retcon was spawned from the Alpha series, BTW.
Sandman killing Uncle Ben. That was dumb as hell. It retroactively makes Peter look foolish, since he found the wrong person. Then Peter actually lets Sandman go at the end, too. That's just a small amount of stuff that makes Spider-Man 3 ridiculously stupid.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jun 18, 2015 23:07:09 GMT -5
Worst: Hal Jordan and Parallax. Okay, yeah, Hal's heel turn was a little...rushed, but it was pretty momentous that a guy who'd been firmly good (if dumb) over the years became a galactic threat. Trying to kick off the relaunch of his green lantern career with "Oh, he was actually possessed in a moment of weakness" as opposed to "He got old, snapped, and hell broke loose" still seems so wrong even after they established this Rainbow Corps stuff. Best: No, folks, Rocky V didn't happen. Stallone has spoken. Like Star Trek, it just went from IV to VI. It works so well, because Rocky VI occurs in like, 2006, so Rocky's become kind of a footnote in the biz without fading into complete poverty and irrelevance like in V. They erased a whole movie with little to no damage to the overall plot. THAT's a retcon. I like Rocky V, but it's too damn depressing to have remained part of the canon with Rocky losing all his money. I figure that when Adrian died, he sold his mansion and bought a restaurant. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jun 18, 2015 23:56:22 GMT -5
In the 90's, Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale did a mini-series that 're-structured' the original Challengers of the Unknown. The Professor and June are killed (well, shunted into another dimension and can't return), Red becomes an alcoholic and then reforms to become a scholar, Rocky tries to turn into a Punisher-like vigilante, and Ace turns to spiritualism and becomes a low-level mystic. The three (Red, Rocky and Ace) get back together, along with a new guy (a tabloid newspaper reporter who is being 'steered' by the Prof), in an attempt to stop an extra-dimensional demon from destroying Earth.
This was before Loeb and Sale did any of the Batman stuff they became famous for.
Then DC retconned the Chals into an X-Files clone.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 19, 2015 1:00:59 GMT -5
It's funny because things already mentioned as being hated such as the New 52 and Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run are two things I really liked since they gave me a very easy jumping on point into getting back into comics and DC characters in general.
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