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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 19, 2015 1:39:26 GMT -5
I am not sure if this counts as a retcon. But I thought retconning Tony Almeida's death in season 5 of 24 by having him return as a terrorist was awesome. Loved seeing the darker dynamic of the character who literally lost everything.
Which is kind of ironic when you think about it. He was arrested for treason, found redemption in getting back with Michelle, she dies, he ends up "dying" at the hands of Henderson, and he became what he truly hated and attempted to rid the world of but he didn't care anymore. Jack pretty much did the same exact thing in Season 8. The one thing he condemned Tony for is what nearly caused World War 3 for America.
So I'd have to say Tony's return is a favorite retcon of mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 1:48:14 GMT -5
Least favorite: New 52, in general. I think I'm the only one who loves the New 52.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Jun 19, 2015 1:54:30 GMT -5
worst, the New 52. "Hey, let's make everybody an asshole like Batman, and suck all the fun and joy out of the universe! Nolan is a genius!"
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Post by Herman The Tosser on Jun 19, 2015 3:47:04 GMT -5
Least favorite: New 52, in general. I think I'm the only one who loves the New 52. I like it. I also love fanboys bitching about ANY changes anyone dares make to a character/book. I for one am loving "Jim Gordon - Bat-Cop", I know damn well Bruce will be back in the cowl by next year (Current issues of Batman, Detective Comics and Batman/Superman seem to be hinting this way already), I'm just enjoying the ride.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 19, 2015 3:54:56 GMT -5
Worst: Simpsons and That '90s Show. A few seasons ago they've retconned that to Bart being born around 2001 or so. I came to vote for that. It was just a screen graphic, but it happened. Best: Unless you know, you won't know, but Jerry Stiller was now always Frank Costanza.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 19, 2015 4:04:23 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one who loves the New 52. I like it. I also love fanboys bitching about ANY changes anyone dares make to a character/book. I for one am loving "Jim Gordon - Bat-Cop", I know damn well Bruce will be back in the cowl by next year (Current issues of Batman, Detective Comics and Batman/Superman seem to be hinting this way already), I'm just enjoying the ride. I guess I round us out at 3. Someone above argued that they took all the fun out of the brand, but a lot of what I've read prior to the changeover wasn't exactly super light hearted stuff either. New 52 had Demon Knights, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Wonder Woman, Dial H, All Star Western, Batman & Robin, I, Vampire, and others. It felt like they were trying to reach everyone with as much variety as possible as we've seen in the many titles. I like some of the new changes they're going with post New 52 too. Honestly as long as the stories are good, I'm happy. But maybe I'm just easily pleased.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jun 19, 2015 4:22:00 GMT -5
ENTER THE FOURTH HORSEMAN[/Arn Anderson]
I really have gotten behind the New 52/DC You initiative. The loose continuity and some of the books going in a more irreverent direction is the kind of wacky Warner antics I've been used to since childhood. Even some of the darker set-ups, like Superman and Bat-Bugs, have a rather humane side to them that keeps you engaged and sympathetic towards the characters without making them dicks. The only thing I don't like is Wonder Woman's relationship with Supes.
I also love Convergence and prefer it to most of Secret Bores (with the exception of tie-ins like SW 2099, Thors, X-Men '92, Old Man Logan, and Renew Your Vows). Sure it was rushed, but the tie-ins were splendid, progressed most of my favourite characters, and closed out the pre-Flashpoint era on an optimistic note that opens the door open for a return to the characters if a writer has an idea.
As for some of my favourite retcons (mostly Spidey related)
-The Spider-Man Newspaper Strip revealing Brand New Day was a dream, ensuring the marriage of Peter and MJ continues uninterrupted to this day (at least in the strip) -Tom DeFalco implying the Mayday and Benjy featured in Spider-Verse weren't the originals (which pissed Dan Slott off) -Gwen Stacy's clone wasn't a modified actress and that The High Evolutionary was just trying to save face (as Miles Warren learned things about cloning from him) -Roderick Kingsley was The Hobgoblin after all -Stephenie Brown's demise was a ploy by Leslie Thompkins -Batman of Zur-En Ah was a self-defense protocall -Xorn was Magneto -There is such a thing as chaos magic
Worst Retcons
-OMD/OMIT -Xorn wasn't Magneto -Talia drugged Bruce in order to conceive Damian
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 19, 2015 4:45:21 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one who loves the New 52. I like it. I also love fanboys bitching about ANY changes anyone dares make to a character/book. I for one am loving "Jim Gordon - Bat-Cop", I know damn well Bruce will be back in the cowl by next year (Current issues of Batman, Detective Comics and Batman/Superman seem to be hinting this way already), I'm just enjoying the ride. Okay, I know you're referring to a vast number of people here, but I'm going to explain why the new 52 pissed me off enough - I didn't do any specific flounce off comics either, I didn't say 'I am never buying a comic again because of this!' I just realised months later that I no longer had an interest, and here's why! The Ted Kord Blue Beetle is one of the first comic book characters I ever really engaged with, partially because he was a loser - and so was his friend Booster Gold. They were both losers (or at least were when I first started reading them) and appeared in comics that were entertaining and hilarious like Formerly Known As The Justice League. By the mid-00s, Beetle hadn't been taken seriously for years, and then the OMAC Project happened. He discovered everything, about Brother Eye, and about something bigger going on. He tried to tell the JLA and wasn't listened to, because he was a joke. He was then the one who first found out about Max Lord's heel turn, and he was killed for the privilege. Now, this broke my heart, because I love the character dearly - but at the same time, I respected the story choice. This was a character I cared about, and he was killed, and you know what? He stayed dead. Every comic character dies and comes back multiple times and it doesn't mean shit any more, like a Big Show alignment change. But Beetle stayed dead, not only meaning the death was more significant because his loss was still felt, but because it triggered a huge crossover event across DC, the Infinite Crisis. So sure, he was dead, and sure I missed him, but his death actually mattered, unlike any number of the deaths that Jean Grey or Iceman or Bruce Wayne or Superman have had that are now completely irrelevant because they're not dead any more. And then the new 52 happened, and Ted had never existed! The one, meaningful death, the last stand of one of my favourite characters, not only did that not happen, but he never happened. It's nothing to do with being a fanboy, because my comics appreciation was always limited at best, but someone else above pointed out how the new 52 made it so much easier for them to jump in as a new reader, but at the same time, doing that is then shitting on your existing fanbase in pursuit of a new fanbase. And then I accidentally just stopped reading comics, because my heart wasn't in it any more, and my favourite things, even favourite CHARACTERS were always one retcon away from never having happened after all.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 19, 2015 5:05:35 GMT -5
Nobody shot JR, it was just a dream. So was Peg Bundy's pregnancy. I've got to defend Peggy's pregnancy being a dream. Katey Sagal was pregnant so they wrote Peg being pregnant into episodes, but Sagal had to have an emergency C-Section, and the baby was stillborn, so out of respect they dropped that storyline.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jun 19, 2015 5:49:19 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one who loves the New 52. I like it. I also love fanboys bitching about ANY changes anyone dares make to a character/book. I for one am loving "Jim Gordon - Bat-Cop", I know damn well Bruce will be back in the cowl by next year (Current issues of Batman, Detective Comics and Batman/Superman seem to be hinting this way already), I'm just enjoying the ride. The same fanboys bitching about changes are the ones that also bitch "Cause nothing ever changes." I am not sure which fanbase I dislike the most. Hardcore comic fans or hardcore wrestling fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 6:44:28 GMT -5
I like it. I also love fanboys bitching about ANY changes anyone dares make to a character/book. I for one am loving "Jim Gordon - Bat-Cop", I know damn well Bruce will be back in the cowl by next year (Current issues of Batman, Detective Comics and Batman/Superman seem to be hinting this way already), I'm just enjoying the ride. The same fanboys bitching about changes are the ones that also bitch "Cause nothing ever changes." I am not sure which fanbase I dislike the most. Hardcore comic fans or hardcore wrestling fans. I got this friend who bitches about the New 52 Joker all the time, yet he's never even actually read the story. Says it's not how the Joker should act...yet every time I mention that he should actually read the stories he refuses. Love the dude, but that annoys the crap out of me.
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Post by Herman The Tosser on Jun 19, 2015 6:48:52 GMT -5
I like it. I also love fanboys bitching about ANY changes anyone dares make to a character/book. I for one am loving "Jim Gordon - Bat-Cop", I know damn well Bruce will be back in the cowl by next year (Current issues of Batman, Detective Comics and Batman/Superman seem to be hinting this way already), I'm just enjoying the ride. Okay, I know you're referring to a vast number of people here,(Snip) Actually, I wasn't. My mind was on other places online. It was the flouncers that you in fact referred to yourself. The ones that amount to little more than "They changed it therefore it sucks" - at least you put forward a reasoned argument for why the changes brought about by New 52 put you off reading. Something you got into, and cared about, was erased and no longer there. Kinda sounds like why I can't watch WWE anymore.
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Post by Danimal on Jun 19, 2015 8:21:37 GMT -5
Nobody shot JR, it was just a dream. So was Peg Bundy's pregnancy. I've got to defend Peggy's pregnancy being a dream. Katey Sagal was pregnant so they wrote Peg being pregnant into episodes, but Sagal had to have an emergency C-Section, and the baby was stillborn, so out of respect they dropped that storyline. While they did it to be tasteful and not throw salt in Katy's wounds I do think it was for the best for the show.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 19, 2015 9:19:35 GMT -5
I'll see and raise Vince McMahon's whole feud with the Ministry being an elaborate ruse to play mind games with Steve Austin This. I was there the night they did the Higher Power reveal and you could actually hear the collective "Oh come on" groan from people in the arena. It was lazy, lazy booking that rendered the previous 6 months of storylines completely worthless.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 19, 2015 10:08:30 GMT -5
Least favorite: New 52, in general. I think I'm the only one who loves the New 52. No your not, I've been defending it since day 1 I'm a hardcore but I like give things a fair shake - I like Wonder Woman/Supes - I like Robo-Batman - Snyder Joker was great I'm getting annoyed with people going "I demand changes" then when changes do happen "Bring back the old days, why change"
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 19, 2015 10:10:58 GMT -5
On the New 52 I'm ambivalent on it. There were good things there were bad things there were meh things. I don't think they needed to reset all of the numbers on their books... especially Action Comics which had been going since the 1930s and after an infinite number of crises One of my big problems with it is how seemingly half-assed it was at points, with even the writers not knowing what the hell happened and what didn't... (see the first issue of Red Hood and the Outlaws which mentions the Teen Titans... which according to the new Continuity the Teen Titans didn't exist until they got their own book...) Or with how compressed they made things... Batman went through what 4 Robins in something like 5 years... as well as Batgirl being active getting shot by Joker and then returning... Also Green Lantern continued like nothing happened but how the hell does Darkest Night make any sense in the new continuity? When half the characters that were raised from the dead didn't exist...
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Post by Jiren on Jun 19, 2015 10:55:56 GMT -5
I hope they keep Robo bats for a good while and when Bruce comes back he's just Bruce Wayne.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2015 11:15:42 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one who loves the New 52. No your not, I've been defending it since day 1 I'm a hardcore but I like give things a fair shake - I like Wonder Woman/Supes - I like Robo-Batman - Snyder Joker was great I'm getting annoyed with people going "I demand changes" then when changes do happen "Bring back the old days, why change" Exactly! The Batman: Endgame Joker/Eric Border is one of the best Joker stories I've ever seen. I have no idea how people can't think it's just the coolest thing.
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Post by Jiren on Jun 19, 2015 11:26:37 GMT -5
No your not, I've been defending it since day 1 I'm a hardcore but I like give things a fair shake - I like Wonder Woman/Supes - I like Robo-Batman - Snyder Joker was great I'm getting annoyed with people going "I demand changes" then when changes do happen "Bring back the old days, why change" Exactly! The Batman: Endgame Joker/Eric Border is one of the best Joker stories I've ever seen. I have no idea how people can't think it's just the coolest thing. Because it's DC
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 19, 2015 11:27:25 GMT -5
The Raw after Survivor Series 2001. Even today, they don't do anything as lazy as that.
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