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Post by JTH on Jun 11, 2016 9:09:48 GMT -5
The next DEATH BATTLE is confirmed, and in a shocking twist, it's not who any of us thought. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Mewtwo vs. Shadow
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Post by JTH on Jun 11, 2016 11:52:25 GMT -5
I'm kinda excited and disappointed. I like both Mewtwo & Shadow, hate to see one of them die at the hands of each other.
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Post by Cela on Jun 11, 2016 12:12:20 GMT -5
What? Is there a connection?
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Post by JTH on Jun 11, 2016 12:22:05 GMT -5
What? Is there a connection? Power wise, not really. But backstory wise, they are virtually the same character. Both bio-genetically engineered creatures that were both created to be the ultimate lifeform. And even more so (eeierly similar way), both experienced the death of a young girl they both cared for, (Shadow: Maria / Mewtwo: Amber in the Mewtwo's Origin from the uncut version of Pokemon: First Movie) that clouded their views of life that made them want to use their powers to destroy mankind, which both then saw the light and saw they could use their powers for good rather than evil. Also add on, both were bad guys turned good guys (Or more so "Anti-Heroes") that are still both characters are clouded by darkness, and both had their memories wiped away that they couldn't remember where they came from and what their purpose in life was.
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Post by H-Virus on Jun 11, 2016 18:10:06 GMT -5
I only had one real issue with the Joker/Tooth fight: If the two guys are standing close enough together for Joker to spray Sweettooth with his venom, then they're also close enough together for Sweettooth to chop Joker's head off with his big ass machete, and since the venom doesn't kill instantly, he'd still have time to do that before it took effect. If that's how they're going to spin the fight, the match could have easily ended in a double kill if nothing else.
As for the next battle: I feel like Silver would have been a more fitting choice, what with Shadow already having fought in the past as well as Silver also have telekinetic (IT'S NO USE!!) powers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 18:15:16 GMT -5
So shadow gets a 2nd chance....and the outcome will just be just as bad as when he faced Vegeta.
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Post by JTH on Jul 1, 2016 19:42:33 GMT -5
New Death Battle is up Result: {Spoiler}Mewtwo wins...but to me there's a glaring issue with the reasoning.
They conclude that Mewtwo could just easily access Shadow's mind and thus counter everything Shadow could throw at him and control his mind to erase Shadow's memory. Even though Mewtwo has lost several times which you would expect he could do the same against the likes of Mega Charizard.
But the other issue is the Shadow the Hedgehog video clearly stated that Shadow was immune to all mind control. Black Doom accessed Shadow's mind in the game because they were one in the same and Shadow was created from Doom's blood and thus Doom was permanently linked to Shadow, which is not the case with Mewtwo.
They instead used the non-canon Sonic Boom to say that Shadow has been mind controlled which comes off as a complete cop out IMO.
Pretty much, it was that "Brains def. Brawn" saying that is easily disproven on many occassions.
And the fight...is super short. Literally 2 minutes in length and Shadow is killed...by a spoon. Yes, a spoon. A complete disservice to the Shadow character.
So basically it is stated, that if you know what's coming, you can stop everything. Even though it has been proven, and against Mewtwo no less that if one is powerful enough, it doesn't matter if you foresee an attack, you can still lose if to a powerful enough opponent.
But whatever, Mewtwo wins. The result makes sense, but the logic to the outcome was extremely flawed and has gaping holes in it.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 1, 2016 21:41:01 GMT -5
What? Is there a connection? Power wise, not really. But backstory wise, they are virtually the same character. Both bio-genetically engineered creatures that were both created to be the ultimate lifeform. And even more so (eeierly similar way), both experienced the death of a young girl they both cared for, (Shadow: Maria / Mewtwo: Amber in the Mewtwo's Origin from the uncut version of Pokemon: First Movie) that clouded their views of life that made them want to use their powers to destroy mankind, which both then saw the light and saw they could use their powers for good rather than evil. Also add on, both were bad guys turned good guys (Or more so "Anti-Heroes") that are still both characters are clouded by darkness, and both had their memories wiped away that they couldn't remember where they came from and what their purpose in life was. It's funny, I watched Pokemon: The First Movie today and I said that same thing about MewTwo and Shadow.
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Post by Goldenbane on Jul 2, 2016 11:14:51 GMT -5
New Death Battle is up Result: Mewtwo wins...but to me there's a glaring issue with the reasoning.
They conclude that Mewtwo could just easily access Shadow's mind and thus counter everything Shadow could throw at him and control his mind to erase Shadow's memory. Even though Mewtwo has lost several times which you would expect he could do the same against the likes of Mega Charizard.
But the other issue is the Shadow the Hedgehog video clearly stated that Shadow was immune to all mind control. Black Doom accessed Shadow's mind in the game because they were one in the same and Shadow was created from Doom's blood and thus Doom was permanently linked to Shadow, which is not the case with Mewtwo.
They instead used the non-canon Sonic Boom to say that Shadow has been mind controlled which comes off as a complete cop out IMO.
Pretty much, it was that "Brains def. Brawn" saying that is easily disproven on many occassions.
And the fight...is super short. Literally 2 minutes in length and Shadow is killed...by a spoon. Yes, a spoon. A complete disservice to the Shadow character.
So basically it is stated, that if you know what's coming, you can stop everything. Even though it has been proven, and against Mewtwo no less that if one is powerful enough, it doesn't matter if you foresee an attack, you can still lose if to a powerful enough opponent.
But whatever, Mewtwo wins. The result makes sense, but the logic to the outcome was extremely flawed and has gaping holes in it. They kind of seem to have a problem with mind defense abilities. In the He-man vs. Lion-O fight, they had Lion-O turn Battle Cat against He-man with his ability to control all cats. Unfortunately, there was actually an episode of Masters of the Universe where Beastman (who has the power to control any and all beasts) tried the same thing and couldn't because Battle Cat's helmet protects him against mind control (he's basically a giant green tiger version of Juggernaut). They seemed to have slapped this fight together much faster and sloppier than fights they have done in the past.
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Post by dav on Jul 2, 2016 12:09:32 GMT -5
New Death Battle is up Result: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Mewtwo wins...but to me there's a glaring issue with the reasoning.
They conclude that Mewtwo could just easily access Shadow's mind and thus counter everything Shadow could throw at him and control his mind to erase Shadow's memory. Even though Mewtwo has lost several times which you would expect he could do the same against the likes of Mega Charizard.
But the other issue is the Shadow the Hedgehog video clearly stated that Shadow was immune to all mind control. Black Doom accessed Shadow's mind in the game because they were one in the same and Shadow was created from Doom's blood and thus Doom was permanently linked to Shadow, which is not the case with Mewtwo.
They instead used the non-canon Sonic Boom to say that Shadow has been mind controlled which comes off as a complete cop out IMO.
Pretty much, it was that "Brains def. Brawn" saying that is easily disproven on many occassions.
And the fight...is super short. Literally 2 minutes in length and Shadow is killed...by a spoon. Yes, a spoon. A complete disservice to the Shadow character.
So basically it is stated, that if you know what's coming, you can stop everything. Even though it has been proven, and against Mewtwo no less that if one is powerful enough, it doesn't matter if you foresee an attack, you can still lose if to a powerful enough opponent.
But whatever, Mewtwo wins. The result makes sense, but the logic to the outcome was extremely flawed and has gaping holes in it. They kind of seem to have a problem with mind defense abilities. In the He-man vs. Lion-O fight, they had Lion-O turn Battle Cat against He-man with his ability to control all cats. Unfortunately, there was actually an episode of Masters of the Universe where Beastman (who has the power to control any and all beasts) tried the same thing and couldn't because Battle Cat's helmet protects him against mind control (he's basically a giant green tiger version of Juggernaut). They seemed to have slapped this fight together much faster and sloppier than fights they have done in the past. Eh, not as if Death Battle haven't completely bodged facts and pulled stuff out their arses in their videos before.
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Post by JTH on Oct 26, 2016 18:14:15 GMT -5
So a fight worth updating has been made
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 26, 2016 18:28:24 GMT -5
Doomsday dies a lot.
Hell he died in his big story against Superman. Supes won and then died due to his injuries.
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Post by hossfan on Oct 26, 2016 18:49:36 GMT -5
Doomsday dies a lot. Hell he died in his big story against Superman. Supes won and then died due to his injuries. To be fair, so has the Hulk. Pretty sure he's dead right now in the comics.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 26, 2016 18:59:43 GMT -5
Doomsday dies a lot. Hell he died in his big story against Superman. Supes won and then died due to his injuries. To be fair, so has the Hulk. Pretty sure he's dead right now in the comics. Banner is dead, but Banner didn't have the Hulk with him. My point is that Doomsday's entire powerset is based around him dying.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 26, 2016 20:06:08 GMT -5
New Death Battle is up Result: {Spoiler}Mewtwo wins...but to me there's a glaring issue with the reasoning.
They conclude that Mewtwo could just easily access Shadow's mind and thus counter everything Shadow could throw at him and control his mind to erase Shadow's memory. Even though Mewtwo has lost several times which you would expect he could do the same against the likes of Mega Charizard.
But the other issue is the Shadow the Hedgehog video clearly stated that Shadow was immune to all mind control. Black Doom accessed Shadow's mind in the game because they were one in the same and Shadow was created from Doom's blood and thus Doom was permanently linked to Shadow, which is not the case with Mewtwo.
They instead used the non-canon Sonic Boom to say that Shadow has been mind controlled which comes off as a complete cop out IMO.
Pretty much, it was that "Brains def. Brawn" saying that is easily disproven on many occassions.
And the fight...is super short. Literally 2 minutes in length and Shadow is killed...by a spoon. Yes, a spoon. A complete disservice to the Shadow character.
So basically it is stated, that if you know what's coming, you can stop everything. Even though it has been proven, and against Mewtwo no less that if one is powerful enough, it doesn't matter if you foresee an attack, you can still lose if to a powerful enough opponent.
But whatever, Mewtwo wins. The result makes sense, but the logic to the outcome was extremely flawed and has gaping holes in it. They just make this shit up as they go along I think. I'm still pissed off as both a TF2 and Overwatch fan about how much they got wrong on that one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 20:16:38 GMT -5
So a fight worth updating has been made The easy road would be "Doomsday 'killed' Superman. We established Superman has no limits to the fuming DBZ fanboys. Thus, Doomsday has no limits."
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 26, 2016 20:17:52 GMT -5
So a fight worth updating has been made The easy road would be "Doomsday 'killed' Superman. We established Superman has no limits to the fuming DBZ fanboys. Thus, Doomsday has no limits." Hulk also has no limits, and that is legitimate canon. He gets stronger the angrier he gets with no top. and again superman killed Doomsday therefore Doomsday can be topped.
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Post by Crimson on Oct 26, 2016 20:20:51 GMT -5
I was hoping for Broly to make DBZ fans angry again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 20:30:35 GMT -5
The easy road would be "Doomsday 'killed' Superman. We established Superman has no limits to the fuming DBZ fanboys. Thus, Doomsday has no limits." Hulk also has no limits, and that is legitimate canon. He gets stronger the angrier he gets with no top. and again superman killed Doomsday therefore Doomsday can be topped. It's like wrestling booking with a double count out finish. Neither guy really went over that day and they both got put on the shelf to build to a rematch they've traded wins later (Hunter/Prey, Reign of Doomsday), so the idea has got to be Doomsday and Supes are basically equal. In fact I'm fairly sure Reign of Doomsday was to establish him as the end-all/be-all of Supes' villains (powerlevel-wise, anyway) since he was the final boss before New 52 started Edit: but you ARE right about Hulk either way. "No limits" is literally hus gimmick. Something screwy is going to happen with this match
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 26, 2016 20:33:58 GMT -5
Hulk also has no limits, and that is legitimate canon. He gets stronger the angrier he gets with no top. and again superman killed Doomsday therefore Doomsday can be topped. It's like wrestling booking with a double count out finish. Neither guy really went over that day and they both got put on the shelf to build to a rematch they've traded wins later (Hunter/Prey, Reign of Doomsday), so the idea has got to be Doomsday and Supes are basically equal. In fact I'm fairly sure Reign of Doomsday was to establish him as the end-all/be-all of Supes' villains (powerlevel-wise, anyway) since he was the final boss before New 52 started Doomsday's entire powerset is based off on teh fact that he dies a lot. So if it's a battle to the death Hulk wins... becuase that's literally Doomsday's power. Hulk's power is his rage and he doesn't have an upper power level... he just gets angrier and stronger.
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