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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Nov 2, 2015 2:05:04 GMT -5
From the looks of it, Collins wanted to pull Harvey but Harvey wanted to finish it. It would have been Harvey's last game of the year so he likely wanted to go out with a bang. I would have done the same thing if I was in Terry Collins' shoes. Really you'd let him pitch to the 2nd batter? Now that I would likely say no, seeing how the Royals are damn near unbeatable once they get runners on base late. Would have been fine in July, but not in the World Series where the season is on the line.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 2, 2015 2:42:51 GMT -5
I personally would've pulled Harvey after the leadoff walk as leadoff walks are harbingers of pitchers giving up big innings. That and that was the first at-bat that Harvey looked like he was running on fumes a bit. Of course, all would've been forgiven if the Mets didn't make so many mistakes in the field.
That's what killed them this series, even moreso than the Royals' resilience and "never say die" attitude. So many mental errors.
Though Postseason God Daniel Murphy reverting to Regular Season Daniel Murphy (aka, ok hitter who is a defensive liability as a 2B) is a good thing in the long-run for the Mets. His bad World Series and Cespedes' pedestrian postseason in general will make it far less likely that the Mets will give either an albatross contract. I'm sure WFAN listeners are already eager to call them do-nothing bums tomorrow.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Nov 2, 2015 6:00:34 GMT -5
The Kansas City Singles.
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Post by r. on Nov 2, 2015 7:39:12 GMT -5
Mets deserved to lose at home, They can live with the shame until next season.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 2, 2015 7:46:13 GMT -5
The World Champion Kansas City Singles. Meanwhile, your Buffalo Bills still suck.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 2, 2015 7:51:01 GMT -5
I personally would've pulled Harvey after the leadoff walk as leadoff walks are harbingers of pitchers giving up big innings. That and that was the first at-bat that Harvey looked like he was running on fumes a bit. Of course, all would've been forgiven if the Mets didn't make so many mistakes in the field. That's what killed them this series, even moreso than the Royals' resilience and "never say die" attitude. So many mental errors. Though Postseason God Daniel Murphy reverting to Regular Season Daniel Murphy (aka, ok hitter who is a defensive liability as a 2B) is a good thing in the long-run for the Mets. His bad World Series and Cespedes' pedestrian postseason in general will make it far less likely that the Mets will give either an albatross contract. I'm sure WFAN listeners are already eager to call them do-nothing bums tomorrow. Honestly, yeah. The fielding for the Mets got to be downright atrocious at times. There were so many mistakes at the worst times that put runners in position, which is where the team was most dangerous. You take him out after that first batter gets on. I was all for letting him go out there to start but he's over 100 pitches why are you having pitch to another batter from the stretch. Terry Collins terrible decisions this series gave KC 6-8 runs. If we give a benefit of the doubt that half were preventable they're still playing this series From the looks of it, Collins wanted to pull Harvey but Harvey wanted to finish it. It would have been Harvey's last game of the year so he likely wanted to go out with a bang. I would have done the same thing if I was in Terry Collins' shoes. I said earlierthat Harvey was having one of the greatest performances of all time up until the 9th. I don't blame them for wanting him to finish it, but this is a case where the heart overrode the head, and it cost them huge.
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Post by RKTaker on Nov 2, 2015 8:36:11 GMT -5
congrats to the royals they earned it
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 2, 2015 9:26:55 GMT -5
I really want to be gracious about the series, but it killed me watching five games where the Mets could've easily won four of them, but basically just let them slip through their fingers.
First off: congrats to KC, because nobody can take this whole thing away from you. Flags fly forever, and this one is yours.
Second off: I'm thrilled to high heaven that my dad and I got to go to a World Series game together, and am grateful we got to see the one game the Mets won.
Third, and where I start coming off like a sore loser: I cannot begin to understand the BABIP luck that played out in this series.
There's no getting around that KC structures their team in such a way to emphasize contact while on offense, and good placement while on defense. I get that: more contact means more fielding chances, more opportunities to force the other side to make mistakes. Better placement and defense means taking away what look like surefire hits from the other team. That much is logical.
But you start getting to a point where none of it makes sense anymore. If the Royals were ripping singles left and right all series, I'd concede that they just kicked ass en route to winning it all. As it was, I saw the Mets pitchers break so many bats, induce so many weak grounders, get slightly challenging but altogether catch-able fly balls, yet time and time again it would sneak through the infield, drop between defenders, and sometimes even magically result in extra bases. That's beyond BABIP luck; that's sacrificing virgins on the altar of the BABIP gods.
The Mets, meanwhile, couldn't get a thing to fall in for a hit (outside Game 3) that wasn't a home run. Opposite field line drive? Right at a defender. Ripped to the wall? Caught. Baseball players, on average, tend to hit to a batting average of near .600 when they hit line drives, but you'd never know it watching this series. Again, lots of that goes to the Royals' defense being very good, but this was a level beyond anything I've ever seen.
Then, to make matters worse, the Mets started playing shitty defense in the later innings, and Terry Collins kept exposing the weakest part of his managerial acumen: his bullpen management (why not pull Harvey after he gave up the walk? Why didn't Familia start the 8th in must-win Game 4? etc.). Added up to disaster.
End of the day, it's the nature of a short series; in a short burst of games, a few things going right or wrong can swing everything.
I can take solace in a 2015 NL pennant, but more importantly, I can take solace in finally knowing the Mets are a good, young team that finally, FINALLY has the horses and young talent pipeline to continue competing for the next batch of years, something they haven't done since the mid-80s.
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Post by kevin on Nov 2, 2015 9:34:18 GMT -5
Terry Collins should be thrown down a well for his idiocy this series I don't think that's fair the Mets had lots of chances and he managed them to a World Series. Look at the sixth inning when the Mets had the bases loaded with no outs and only got one run. They get one more and this series has a game six and the Harvey decision is a footnote. The Royals just took advantage of their chances more than the Mets did.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Nov 2, 2015 10:01:44 GMT -5
Congratulations to the Royals and their fans. It was a hell of a season hopefully 2016 will be even better (for my team obviously)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 2, 2015 10:37:52 GMT -5
Congratulations to the Royals they're a good team and ones that you absolutely can not make mistakes on.
Especially, some of the ones the Mets did during this series.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Nov 2, 2015 11:35:34 GMT -5
Terry Collins should be thrown down a well for his idiocy this series I don't think that's fair the Mets had lots of chances and he managed them to a World Series. Look at the sixth inning when the Mets had the bases loaded with no outs and only got one run. They get one more and this series has a game six and the Harvey decision is a footnote. The Royals just took advantage of their chances more than the Mets did. Terry Collins has a part to blame in that letting Cesepedes who was hurt hit there. Collins had one game all playoffs where he had a move that worked out and that was staying with DeGrom in game 5 of the NLDS when he looked like he didn't have it. He had no other decisions to make til the world series and he f***ed all of then up
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Post by MiLB Fan on Nov 2, 2015 12:06:20 GMT -5
The Commissioner's Trophy isn't the only prize the Royals received!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 12:54:10 GMT -5
The Royals deserved this one.
The Mets will be fine long term.
Bring on the hot stove.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 15:37:04 GMT -5
the Mets had opportunity after opportunity to put it away/make it a series over the course of the entire series, but they bumblef***ed it away. The Royals were definitely the better team, but if the Mets hadn't committed boner after boner I think that it would have gone to game 7 and been regarded as one of the best WS of all time.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Nov 2, 2015 17:18:54 GMT -5
So many Mets fans on social media being angry and depressed.
It's just baseball!
That said, what an exciting series. I was on the edge of my seat through most of it.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 2, 2015 18:50:52 GMT -5
The Royals did not complete the most boring playoff run of all-time. Rather, they completed one of the biggest narrative-defying playoff runs. Great pitching beats great hitting.... yet they hit their way past a lot of good pitchers. And they did it with a rotation that doesn't exactly evoke memories of Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine or Oakland's Big Three. Think about all the pitchers in October- Tanaka, Keuchel, Price, Stroman, Lester, Arrieta, Cole, Lackey, Kerahaw, Greinke. Yet it was Cueto/Volquez/Ventura that outlasted em all. Great pitching still won out in their bullpen. They didn't have the best starters, but their bullpen was as lights out as I've ever seen. And the Mets had 1 win and 3 blown saves. The Royals seemed to cut a lot of games in half. In the first half, they were usually neck and neck with teams. In the 2nd half, they were clearly better.
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Post by BRV on Nov 2, 2015 19:28:28 GMT -5
the Mets had opportunity after opportunity to put it away/make it a series over the course of the entire series, but they bumblef***ed it away. The Royals were definitely the better team, but if the Mets hadn't committed boner after boner I think that it would have gone to game 7 and been regarded as one of the best WS of all time. Daniel Murphy broke the land-speed record for going from hero to goat in this series. He entered as the hottest hitter in the postseason and exited as the infielder whose two errors proved crucial in determining the championship.
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Post by fw91 on Nov 2, 2015 23:10:15 GMT -5
So many Mets fans on social media being angry and depressed. It's just baseball! That said, what an exciting series. I was on the edge of my seat through most of it. You just don't get it. It's never just baseball when your a Mets fan. When your second fiddle to a far less knowledgeable fan base (through my experience at least) your longing for that World Series crown and have that day of glory. We had it. Take nothing away from the Royals but Mets straight up lost this one. Only positive thing I could say that this wasn't supposed to be our year and we have a pennant to display. But I'm also a diehard NY Rangers fan and I'm using their final loss to the Kings 2 years ago as comparison. The Rangers were a team that played their hearts out but fell victim to a better team. Maybe the Royals were better, but the Mets couldn't get out of their own way.
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Post by kevin on Nov 3, 2015 0:27:46 GMT -5
So many Mets fans on social media being angry and depressed. It's just baseball! That said, what an exciting series. I was on the edge of my seat through most of it. You just don't get it. It's never just baseball when your a Mets fan. When your second fiddle to a far less knowledgeable fan base (through my experience at least) your longing for that World Series crown and have that day of glory. We had it. Take nothing away from the Royals but Mets straight up lost this one. Only positive thing I could say that this wasn't supposed to be our year and we have a pennant to display. But I'm also a diehard NY Rangers fan and I'm using their final loss to the Kings 2 years ago as comparison. The Rangers were a team that played their hearts out but fell victim to a better team. Maybe the Royals were better, but the Mets couldn't get out of their own way. Don't you think it's better to have been good enough to win it all then to be a team that gets beaten down by a better opponent?
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