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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 28, 2017 17:27:50 GMT -5
Yeah I wouldn't say Trek has much in the way of singular villains. It's usually the Borg, or Klingons, or Romulans, etc. The Cardassians blur the line between heel/tweener at various points depending on the situation. Gul Dukat, the various Weyouns, Kai Winn, and the Female Changeling are all memorable Trek singular villains...all of them from DS9.
I have only watched the 1st episode of Discovery and wasn't thrilled with it. Just felt like slow paced filler. I didn't see Jason Isaacs or the actual ship Discovery, which was a mistake if you want to get people to migrate over to the All Access service. I am intrigued at the developments here but not shocked. The entire first episode I couldn't help but think this crew needs to all get killed (except Burnham, since I guess she's the lead here) so we can bring on the actual crew of the series.
I'll probably check out the rest at some point but if CBS thinks I am going to get an entire service to watch this show they're insane. Once it all is up to watch it might be worth getting the free trial and binge it, haha.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 28, 2017 18:11:10 GMT -5
Also, Captain Georgiou's bookshelf had some very nice easter eggs. Also:
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Post by jagilki on Sept 28, 2017 18:58:30 GMT -5
Also, Captain Georgiou's bookshelf had some very nice easter eggs. Christ, GRRM STILL hasn't finished Winds of Winter.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 4, 2017 13:51:36 GMT -5
Well, this was a lot better than the pilot...
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 4, 2017 13:56:42 GMT -5
If they put half the effort into the show that they put into the Easter Eggs it might be a decent show
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 4, 2017 14:25:01 GMT -5
If they put half the effort into the show that they put into the Easter Eggs it might be a decent show I think 1 of the Easter eggs might very well be part of the plot. The mysterious ship part of a seemingly secret biotech plot with black Starfleet badges that people don't recognise has the registration NCC 10 31
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 4, 2017 22:02:59 GMT -5
In hindsight the pilot episode should’ve been a lot shorter. There really wasn’t that much scene setting to be done, and waiting until episode 3 to introduce the titular ship and the majority of the supporting cast feels a little disjointed.
Saru appears to have ironed out the Kryten from his performance.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 5, 2017 1:01:43 GMT -5
In hindsight the pilot episode should’ve been a lot shorter. There really wasn’t that much scene setting to be done, and waiting until episode 3 to introduce the titular ship and the majority of the supporting cast feels a little disjointed. Saru appears to have ironed out the Kryten from his performance. It's true, maybe a 90 minute TV movie or something, but with all the problems with getting rid of Fuller etc. it's not surprising there being teething problems. Hell, that's a Star Trek staple at this point.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 16, 2017 10:44:16 GMT -5
Anybody watch the newest episode? Did I really just hear them drop 2 back to back F Bombs?? In a Star Trek show? That feels incredibly out of place.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 16, 2017 18:56:31 GMT -5
Anybody watch the newest episode? Did I really just hear them drop 2 back to back F Bombs?? In a Star Trek show? That feels incredibly out of place. Which episode are we up to? Last one I watched was the fourth ep.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 16, 2017 18:58:33 GMT -5
Anybody watch the newest episode? Did I really just hear them drop 2 back to back F Bombs?? In a Star Trek show? That feels incredibly out of place. Which episode are we up to? Last one I watched was the fourth ep. I think last night was episode 5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 16, 2017 19:01:57 GMT -5
Which episode are we up to? Last one I watched was the fourth ep. I think last night was episode 5 Ah, I’ll be catching up with that tomorrow. I don’t know about everybody else, but I’ve enjoyed the show so far. It feels like a thoroughly modern approach to the classic Trek formula.
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Post by Sparvid on Oct 16, 2017 21:35:30 GMT -5
Maybe I'm missing something (and I haven't seen the latest episode yet), but why is everyone treating Burnham as "the traitor/mutineer Michael Burnham"?
I mean, yes, she did attack her captain and attempt a mutiny, but she didn't actually accomplish anything since the crew were all like "We're not convinced that you're really in charge" and then the captain returned 30 seconds later. Then the captain wanted to kill T'Kuvma but Burnham was all "No, that would be a bad idea and make him a martyr. Let's catch him alive instead." Then they beamed over to the ship, the captain died, and Burnham deliberately switched her phaser from stun and killed T'Kuvma.
So, yes, you can blame her for starting (or "ruining a possible way of quickly stopping") the war which has resulted in thousands of deaths, but that was solely because of her act of killing T'Kuvma. She is without a doubt guilty of the attempted mutiny, but that didn't have anything directly to do with the war breaking out, and the captain died on a dangerous away mission she herself planned out, which wasn't Burnham's fault either.
If you skip the first two episodes, you'd probably get the impression that she took over a Starfleet ship and started firing unprovoked at the Klingons.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Oct 16, 2017 21:38:43 GMT -5
Also the used of the f bomb unnecessary. Im tired of war and soldiers, I want star trek Disappointed they used Harry Mudd and hes not the antagonist of Abrahams Trek 4
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 17, 2017 0:55:41 GMT -5
Maybe I'm missing something (and I haven't seen the latest episode yet), but why is everyone treating Burnham as "the traitor/mutineer Michael Burnham"? I mean, yes, she did attack her captain and attempt a mutiny, but she didn't actually accomplish anything since the crew were all like "We're not convinced that you're really in charge" and then the captain returned 30 seconds later. Then the captain wanted to kill T'Kuvma but Burnham was all "No, that would be a bad idea and make him a martyr. Let's catch him alive instead." Then they beamed over to the ship, the captain died, and Burnham deliberately switched her phaser from stun and killed T'Kuvma. So, yes, you can blame her for starting (or "ruining a possible way of quickly stopping") the war which has resulted in thousands of deaths, but that was solely because of her act of killing T'Kuvma. She is without a doubt guilty of the attempted mutiny, but that didn't have anything directly to do with the war breaking out, and the captain died on a dangerous away mission she herself planned out, which wasn't Burnham's fault either. If you skip the first two episodes, you'd probably get the impression that she took over a Starfleet ship and started firing unprovoked at the Klingons. Seems like you pretty much answered your own question. She’s a convicted mutineer - the first in Starfleet - and her killing the Klingon in self-defence sparked the war, which makes her disliked and distrusted for both reasons. My only real issue is the Europa death toll standing at almost 8,200. The Enterprise NCC-1701’s total crew compliment was around 500, with everybody packed in like sardines. Even the Enterprise-D, the largest ship ever up until that point, only had a total compliment of just over 1,000. I can overlook the aesthetic changes that come with the more advanced effects available, but try to remain consistent with things like ship sizes and crew compliments.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 23, 2017 15:23:52 GMT -5
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Oct 24, 2017 6:35:21 GMT -5
So far this is the most fun I've had with an STD.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 25, 2017 3:39:20 GMT -5
Even if I hadn't read the potential spoiler on the new guy, damn they're dropping hints about him like anvils.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 25, 2017 6:46:07 GMT -5
I'm enjoying the series, it's fun. But... Once I've watched it I don't tend to think about it until the next episode.
Unlike other shows like say GoT or TWD were I'll sometimes think about the episode afterwards or chat about it with the wife.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 25, 2017 19:56:03 GMT -5
One thing I’ve found in the last couple of weeks is that there’s a lot of insufferable people on the Star Trek social media accounts. Trek has always had its fair share of extremely vocal snobs, but Discovery has definitely pushed the buttons of a good number of them.
There’s cranks aplenty, including the usual “buying positive reviews” stuff seen in every Marvel/DC debate going, as well as the highly amusing “nobody really likes this show; those that say they do are just being contrarian to be trolls or are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome” (yes, really).
The favourite one for people to use though is that “Gene Roddenberry is turning in his grave right now because his vision has been bastardised/destroyed.”
Of course, this is either ignoring or simply being ignorant of the fact that Roddenberry’s vision was “bastardised” as far back as Wrath of Khan, that he disliked all the TOS movies from that point on, and had to be forced out after TNG’s second season because his vision was hopelessly devoid of any dramatic merit.
The other common claim is that it’s “not Star Trek.”
Prior to Discovery there had been 13 movies and six series totalling almost 600 hours of content, plus another 553 novels. At some point the creative well runs dry and new things have to be tried, and “boldly going where no-one has gone before” has been done to death at this point. TNG’s early seasons were criticised for being rehashes of TOS. Voyager took a potentially great and different concept and turned it into TNG-Lite. Deep Space 9 is well-loved because it did something different and explored new themes.
While I’m not on board with a number of things on the show - primarily the spore drive stuff - I think the show has potential. It’s got a good cast, diverse characters that aren’t merely variations of a previous series’ characters, and as an origin story for Sector 31 I’m interested in seeing where it’s going.
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