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Post by Cyno on Oct 25, 2017 21:44:28 GMT -5
Section 31 was a thing in Enterprise, just for United Earth's Starfleet and not the Federation's.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 25, 2017 22:26:14 GMT -5
Section 31 was a thing in Enterprise, just for United Earth's Starfleet and not the Federation's. Good catch, that slipped my mind, but it’s evidently heading in a Section 31 direction, being a black ops ship (with a registry ending in 31) with advanced technology that has been buried by the time TOS rolls around. Just spitballing it could be theorised the reason Spock never mentions an adopted human sister who just happened to be the first Starfleet mutineer who started the Klingon-Federation War is because she’s a high ranking S31 agent whose work and existence is above top secret. Of course, Spock did roll out the “well nobody ever asked” excuse when Kirk and Bones pressed him on why he never mentioned Sybock’s existence...
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Nov 8, 2017 17:51:44 GMT -5
So, there was a revelation on the European event they did recently. {Spoiler}The Klingon War ends at the end of the season, and every season will be "a novel" Considering that, here's how I see things going. {Spoiler}In the final battle of the season, there's some sabotage that, due to Discovery's unique spore drive, goes awry, somehow defeats the Klingons so they want peace, and sends Discovery through the timeline Quantum Leap style, and each season they end up in a different period being our link to each story.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 16, 2017 11:38:22 GMT -5
Watching the mid-season finale. So, between the F-Bombs earlier, and now showing a topless Klingon female they seem to really be relishing the fact that they aren't on broadcast TV. And making sure parents don't get their kids into Star Trek anymore. Such dumb, unnecessary additions. I don't remember anyone asking for R Rated Star Trek
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 14, 2018 4:01:48 GMT -5
Just finished the season finale. Overall I'd say the best first season of any Trek show (though that's a very low bar) and it suffered some of the same teething problems. The cast and characters are great, but it definitely struggled with the overall narrative and committing to things it sets up in places. Bryan Fuller's departure as showrunner early on is very telling as the show clearly tries hard to steer away from the course he'd set it on, but simply didn't have enough episodes in the run to do it satisfactorily. It really would have benefited from a full 22-episode season.
Hopefully season two will iron out the kinks, starting with a settled production team working on the same page. They've got some interesting threads they can pull on, not least a missing captain and a deposed Terran emperor on the loose.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 14, 2018 7:09:24 GMT -5
Yeah, they clearly just ran out of time for the Klingon stuff, having veered so far away from it while doing the second half of the season.
Voq ended up being, well, kinda pointless in the end. It's clear in the 2nd half of the season they realised they didn't want him by rushing through him being uncovered, his personality killed and his human version head off with L'Rell for reasons.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 14, 2018 15:09:40 GMT -5
I have to say that I LOVED the design of the {Spoiler}USS Enterprise in Discovery.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Feb 14, 2018 23:10:18 GMT -5
I like the series, even if it's pretty much bad fanfiction.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 21, 2018 18:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 21, 2018 19:15:06 GMT -5
I've only seen bits and pieces of Discovery season one, but this trailer for season two looks dramatically less grimdark then that. Or is Star Trek just lulling me into a false sense of security?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 21, 2018 19:39:19 GMT -5
I've only seen bits and pieces of Discovery season one, but this trailer for season two looks dramatically less grimdark then that. Or is Star Trek just lulling me into a false sense of security? Kurtzman took over as showrunner midway through season one and said at the time he intended to add a little more levity to the show, though requirements of the story in season one made that difficult. It definitely feels like more traditional Trek this time around.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 21, 2018 20:33:56 GMT -5
I just hope we get more traditional looking alien ships versus what we got in Discovery Season 1. I'm not expecting it to be 1:1 with a 1960's show, but I'd like the Klingon D7 to actually resemble the basic shape of the D7 and not that.... thing we got in Discovery Season 1. Also hope to see some Romulans this time around. And that's a race I know they won't pull a Discovery Klingons with because their whole thing is that they're the descendants of the Vulcans who left the planet in protest of Surak's ways.
Also I'm digging Discovery's takes on the TOS-style uniforms Pike and Number One (I assume the woman that beamed over with Pike was supposed to be Number One?) were wearing. I also hope that Number One actually gets a real name this time. On that note, it's great seeing a Saurian again. I like the redesign as their only live-action appearance in Star Trek TMP was really goofy-looking.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 15, 2018 20:35:04 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 16, 2018 14:58:04 GMT -5
The only way any of this will gel with canon will be for it all to be wiped out with a reset button, thus making the whole thing pointless.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 16, 2018 15:10:26 GMT -5
The only way any of this will gel with canon will be for it all to be wiped out with a reset button, thus making the whole thing pointless. The biggest problem with trying to fit in with the Original Series' canon is that TOS didn't really care about maintaining any sort of continuity, especially in the first season.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 16, 2018 15:14:24 GMT -5
The only way any of this will gel with canon will be for it all to be wiped out with a reset button, thus making the whole thing pointless. The biggest problem with trying to fit in with the Original Series' canon is that TOS didn't really care about maintaining any sort of continuity, especially in the first season. Nah, the problem is still with Discovery. Even accounting for TOS not honing Trek canon until later in its run, there's virtually nothing in Discovery that makes me believe for a second that it's a pre-TOS prime universe forerunner. Enterprise suffered from a similar flaw, albeit not as severe or jarring.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 16, 2018 15:18:57 GMT -5
The only way to avoid that really is to just not make shows that take place before TOS. Anything VFX, ship design, and set construction-wise is going to look way more advanced than anything built in the 60's. Hell, our own technology today is way more advanced looking than the TOS stuff. Either that or outright remake TOS (and I mean outright remake it, no alternate timeline stuff like the Kelvin movies) with modern technology and aesthetic sensibilities for what we consider futuristic in 2018, but that's never going to happen.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 16, 2018 15:30:32 GMT -5
The only way a TOS prequel will work is if it has a 1960's aesthetic, with TOS style sets, uniforms, camerawork, hairstyles, sound effects etc...with SFX like those in TOS remastered.
That's something the suits running Trek have never understood, and will never understand.
That's why Enterprise, Abramstrek and Discovery end up looking as advanced or more advanced than the TNG/DS9 era.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Aug 16, 2018 15:30:47 GMT -5
The only way to avoid that really is to just not make shows that take place before TOS. Anything VFX, ship design, and set construction-wise is going to look way more advanced than anything built in the 60's. Hell, our own technology today is way more advanced looking than the TOS stuff. Either that or outright remake TOS (and I mean outright remake it, no alternate timeline stuff like the Kelvin movies) with modern technology and aesthetic sensibilities for what we consider futuristic in 2018, but that's never going to happen.
Fine by me. I'm sick of this franchise about the future being stuck in its past.
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Post by Larryhausen on Aug 16, 2018 16:22:47 GMT -5
All that matters to me is the stories. I don't care that ENT or Discovery has more advanced looking tech then TOS, because it's obvious why. It has never ever taken me out of the show. I even prefer Word's handwave of Klingon foreheads in DS9 more then when they explained it in Enterprise.
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