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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 26, 2017 11:34:28 GMT -5
I enjoyed the first two episodes. My only real gripe is the entirely forgettable main theme. Totally meant to mention that too. The theme and opening credits are very bland and unmemorable. we talking Enterprise era forgettable?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 26, 2017 11:37:15 GMT -5
Totally meant to mention that too. The theme and opening credits are very bland and unmemorable. we talking Enterprise era forgettable? It wasn't suited to Trek at all, but I genuinely like that song.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 26, 2017 11:56:21 GMT -5
The original theme song (not the second version) and the ship were the only things I liked about "Enterprise"
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 26, 2017 12:44:56 GMT -5
Just watched the first episode.
I thought it got off to a good start. The Klingon threat was built up well, the episode ended on a good cliff hanger and I like the relationship between the Captain and Michelle. Michelle seems like an interesting character, as does the tall alien guy.
Going to watch the 2nd ep tomorrow.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 27, 2017 9:59:56 GMT -5
Maybe it’s just me, but the actor playing Saru seems to have watched a lot of Red Dwarf, because there’s a ton of Kryten in the way his lines are delivered.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 27, 2017 10:14:58 GMT -5
Maybe it’s just me, but the actor playing Saru seems to have watched a lot of Red Dwarf, because there’s a ton of Kryten in the way his lines are delivered. I was trying to think who he reminded me of. That's it.
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 27, 2017 11:29:57 GMT -5
Totally meant to mention that too. The theme and opening credits are very bland and unmemorable. we talking Enterprise era forgettable? I have to agree with SFDebris. Not only was that theme more fitting for the sitcom Perfect Strangers, but inverse is even more true:
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Post by Cyno on Sept 27, 2017 13:08:28 GMT -5
I was too distracted by the opening montage to pay attention to the theme itself. I liked seeing all the art of the ships and the 23rd century tech like the communicators and the phaser pistols.
Kind of a shame because music, especially the main theme, is a big part of Trek from the original series all the way to the Kelvinverse movies. But otherwise I liked the first episode a lot. It's a good start and I like what I've seen of the cast so far, especially Michael and Saru.
I got more of a DS9 vibe from the cast than the other Treks. I hope that's a good sign. Phillipa is the consumate Starfleet captain, but otherwise these are some flawed individuals with both internal and external conflicts that could make for some really interesting character drama, which, again, is something we really haven't seen since DS9.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 27, 2017 13:56:23 GMT -5
we talking Enterprise era forgettable? I have to agree with SFDebris. Not only was that theme more fitting for the sitcom Perfect Strangers, but inverse is even more true: It is amazing how well that works. I wouldn't be surprised to see that as the intro to a sitcom about wacky NASA astronauts.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Sept 27, 2017 18:12:13 GMT -5
I have to agree with SFDebris. Not only was that theme more fitting for the sitcom Perfect Strangers, but inverse is even more true: It is amazing how well that works. I wouldn't be surprised to see that as the intro to a sitcom about wacky NASA astronauts. Did somebody say they wanted an Astronauts reboot?
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 27, 2017 18:23:24 GMT -5
Totally meant to mention that too. The theme and opening credits are very bland and unmemorable. we talking Enterprise era forgettable? Hey, that was one of the best songs Brian Adams ever made!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 27, 2017 18:50:32 GMT -5
It is amazing how well that works. I wouldn't be surprised to see that as the intro to a sitcom about wacky NASA astronauts. Did somebody say they wanted an Astronauts reboot? I'm not saying yes... but I'm not saying no.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 28, 2017 2:37:03 GMT -5
Caught episode 2 last night. Not as good as episode 1 but enjoyable enough, maybe because other than the movies I'm pretty unfamiliar with Star Trek beyond the movies so the scenes which focused on the Klingons were a bit confusing for me.
The battle looked cool, the Captain's death was a surprise, as was the villain Klingon's death since I thought he was gonna be the main antagonist. The unexpected deaths gave a sense of nobody been safe which is good. What I didn't like was their plan to capture him. Cripple the Klingon flagship, sure, that makes sense. Capture rather than kill him, yeah the reasoning for that is sound. But send just two people with handguns on board? Why not send a heavily armed snatch squad or something?
Maybe there's something in Star Trek lore that I'm missing. Like teleporters only transporting a couple of people, or those ships not really having armed squads etc.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 28, 2017 3:14:35 GMT -5
Caught episode 2 last night. Not as good as episode 1 but enjoyable enough, maybe because other than the movies I'm pretty unfamiliar with Star Trek beyond the movies so the scenes which focused on the Klingons were a bit confusing for me. The battle looked cool, the Captain's death was a surprise, as was the villain Klingon's death since I thought he was gonna be the main antagonist. The unexpected deaths gave a sense of nobody been safe which is good. What I didn't like was their plan to capture him. Cripple the Klingon flagship, sure, that makes sense. Capture rather than kill him, yeah the reasoning for that is sound. But send just two people with handguns on board? Why not send a heavily armed snatch squad or something? Maybe there's something in Star Trek lore that I'm missing. Like teleporters only transporting a couple of people, or those ships not really having armed squads etc. Well, their whole thing is "we're explorers" so armed squads are out. I'd imagine it being only 2 people was down to battle damage, normally the transporter pad has room for at least 6 people. I'll disagree on the Captain, to me there was NO way she was living, the main Klingon I was surprised that they killed.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 28, 2017 3:26:18 GMT -5
Well, their whole thing is "we're explorers" so armed squads are out. I'd imagine it being only 2 people was down to battle damage, normally the transporter pad has room for at least 6 people. I'll disagree on the Captain, to me there was NO way she was living, the main Klingon I was surprised that they killed. I was expecting her to die at some point but not until the end of the series. I was thinking it would the shocking moment for the finale so I was surprised when she was killed off. It looks like it's going to be a good show. I like Michael as a character, her wanting to strike first against the Klingon's because it worked for the Vulcans was quite cool.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 28, 2017 8:09:03 GMT -5
I'll disagree on the Captain, to me there was NO way she was living, the main Klingon I was surprised that they killed. Given that the information released so far has the show set on a ship called Discovery with Jason Isaacs as the captain of that ship, it was somewhat obvious to me that either the Shenzou, her captain, or both weren’t making it out of the pilot. Killing the primary antagonist of the pilot was definitely a surprise, though as the show deals with the Klingon-Federation Cold War I suppose a single antagonist isn’t totally necessary.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 28, 2017 11:06:50 GMT -5
I'll disagree on the Captain, to me there was NO way she was living, the main Klingon I was surprised that they killed. Given that the information released so far has the show set on a ship called Discovery with Jason Isaacs as the captain of that ship, it was somewhat obvious to me that either the Shenzou, her captain, or both weren’t making it out of the pilot. Killing the primary antagonist of the pilot was definitely a surprise, though as the show deals with the Klingon-Federation Cold War I suppose a single antagonist isn’t totally necessary. T'Kuvma's death caught me off guard, but I noticed Micelle Yeoh listed as a "special guest star" instead of "starring" and realized she wasn't making it out of the first 2 episodes.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 28, 2017 14:38:38 GMT -5
I'm guessing that albino Klingon dude is going to end up being more important. Though really, Trek has never really done singular villains throughout a series and moreso does antagonistic races and rival powers like the Klingons, Romulans, Borg, Dominion, etc. DS9 (again) with Gul Dukat was the real exception. Even one of Trek's all-time great villains in Khan Noonian Singh was only in a single episode of any of the shows.
That goes completely against the Federation ideals since Starfleet isn't really supposed to be a true military as it is primarily exploratory, scientific, and diplomatic, with self-defense intended to be a last resort.
Like, it was considered controversial in-universe when the MACO troops (which are more like a ground infantry and a true military) were stationed aboard the NX-01 Enterprise when they were off to search for the Xindi. And Starfleet's first true warship, the USS Defiant, wasn't built until 200 years after the Federation was first established.
All that said, all Starfleet vessels usually do maintain a security staff for both internal issues as well as potentially hostile away missions along with an armory with at least some phaser rifles. So there were definitely personnel they could've sent over instead of the captain and first officer with a couple of phaser pistols. But then it was probably done for dramatic effect than anything.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 28, 2017 14:52:34 GMT -5
Also, Captain Georgiou's bookshelf had some very nice easter eggs.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 28, 2017 17:07:11 GMT -5
Also, Captain Georgiou's bookshelf had some very nice easter eggs. That's a neat little touch
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