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Post by Cyno on Sept 2, 2020 20:57:45 GMT -5
Hah, I forgot all about Andrew Robinson. I think he blatantly admitted to playing Garak that way in his first appearance, and was told to tone it down. I mean, Garak is blatantly giving Bashir f*** eyes in the scene where they first meet. Let's be real: all of Garak's interactions with Bashir could be seen as flirtatious.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 2, 2020 20:59:33 GMT -5
Hah, I forgot all about Andrew Robinson. I think he blatantly admitted to playing Garak that way in his first appearance, and was told to tone it down. I mean, Garak is blatantly giving Bashir f*** eyes in the scene where they first meet. Garak is so over the top, he went over the top of the fourth wall and literally looks right at the camera at the end of the scene. Has any other Star Trek character ever done that?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2020 21:00:29 GMT -5
I mean, Garak is blatantly giving Bashir f*** eyes in the scene where they first meet. Let's be real: all of Garak's interactions with Bashir could be seen as flirtatious. And with good reason. Even as a straight man I can appreciate that Alexander Siddig is quite the dish.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 2, 2020 21:05:43 GMT -5
Garak is so over the top, he went over the top of the fourth wall and literally looks right at the camera at the end of the scene. Has any other Star Trek character ever done that? Closest I can think of is Sisko talking to the camera in "In the Pale Moonlight", with us as the audience standing in for his log recorder.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 2, 2020 21:34:31 GMT -5
Garak is so over the top, he went over the top of the fourth wall and literally looks right at the camera at the end of the scene. Has any other Star Trek character ever done that? Closest I can think of is Sisko talking to the camera in "In the Pale Moonlight", with us as the audience standing in for his log recorder. Still my ABSOLUTE favorite Star Trek episode and my absolute favorite Star Trek show. Sisko was simply the best.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 2, 2020 22:09:19 GMT -5
Closest I can think of is Sisko talking to the camera in "In the Pale Moonlight", with us as the audience standing in for his log recorder. Still my ABSOLUTE favorite Star Trek episode and my absolute favorite Star Trek show. Sisko was simply the best. Easily my favorite as well. And I still remember reading the angry letters to the editor in the Star Trek Communicator magazine about it. A nifty bit of symbolism, throughout the episode Sisko gradually sheds his uniform, to show he is baring his soul.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 2, 2020 23:59:52 GMT -5
A lot of this was due to network and affiliate pressure not to do it. Like they originally wanted a member of the Voyager crew to be gay, but UPN pushed back hard on it. Though apparently Berman and co. didn't exactly fight much for it and that's on them not pushing for it. IIRC that was supposed to be Seven of Nine, who had gained a significant following in the LGBT community and was the subject of a petition to have her come out as gay, which at least a couple of the writers pushed for. Of course, it's since been hinted in Picard that she is at least bisexual, and there's rumour of further developments in the second season. She definitely at least has interest in men (in the future timeline she died in she was married to Chakotay). As far as Garak goes, he was the master spy. Being able to seduce anyone probably came with the territory.
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 3, 2020 15:17:10 GMT -5
Haven't there been non-binary and transgender characters before?
I'm thinking TNG - The Outcast and The Host, Enterprise - Cogenitor. B'Elanna Torres being a metaphor for sexuality and gender. And the Q - who are genderless.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 3, 2020 15:29:42 GMT -5
Haven't there been non-binary and transgender characters before? I'm thinking TNG - The Outcast and The Host, Enterprise - Cogenitor. B'Elanna Torres being a metaphor for sexuality and gender. And the Q - who are genderless. We've seen both male and female Q, so they do seem to gender identify. Then again, they might have just been doing that for the benefit of the mortals they were interacting with. Actually my personal theory is that there is only one Q (the John de Lancie version) and that the "Continuum" and every other version we've seen has just him experimenting with how mortals would react to the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 15:34:45 GMT -5
Haven't there been non-binary and transgender characters before? I'm thinking TNG - The Outcast and The Host, Enterprise - Cogenitor. B'Elanna Torres being a metaphor for sexuality and gender. And the Q - who are genderless. We've seen both male and female Q, so they do seem to gender identify. Then again, they might have just been doing that for the benefit of the mortals they were interacting with. Actually my personal theory is that there is only one Q (the John de Lancie version) and that the "Continuum" and every other version we've seen has just him experimenting with how mortals would react to the situation. I like that idea if only for retconning Voyager's Q shit out of existence, but that doesn't really work with the episode where he loses his powers and has a private conversation with another Q.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 3, 2020 15:35:06 GMT -5
Closest I can think of is Sisko talking to the camera in "In the Pale Moonlight", with us as the audience standing in for his log recorder. Still my ABSOLUTE favorite Star Trek episode and my absolute favorite Star Trek show. Sisko was simply the best. It's really, really good. I do, however, have a personal affinity for "Duet" from the first season. It was the first time where they really, truly explored other aspects of Cardassian society beyond potential antagonists. It's also a fantastic usage of the bottle episode format, even if the final scene is a little off.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 3, 2020 15:47:34 GMT -5
We've seen both male and female Q, so they do seem to gender identify. Then again, they might have just been doing that for the benefit of the mortals they were interacting with. Actually my personal theory is that there is only one Q (the John de Lancie version) and that the "Continuum" and every other version we've seen has just him experimenting with how mortals would react to the situation. I like that idea if only for retconning Voyager's Q shit out of existence, but that doesn't really work with the episode where he loses his powers and has a private conversation with another Q. In order to properly perform the experiment, Q had to use his powers on himself to make himself believe all the Continuum stories he told the Enterprise crew and also strip himself of his powers. The alternate Q who gave him back his powers was a construct he created to return his true knowledge and abilities when he felt the experiment had reached its conclusion.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 3, 2020 15:51:11 GMT -5
Still my ABSOLUTE favorite Star Trek episode and my absolute favorite Star Trek show. Sisko was simply the best. The scene where Garak drops some truth bombs on Sisko is dynamite, too. I could watch an entire series following Garak. It surprised me just how few episodes of DS9 he was actually in.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 3, 2020 16:22:52 GMT -5
Still my ABSOLUTE favorite Star Trek episode and my absolute favorite Star Trek show. Sisko was simply the best. It's really, really good. I do, however, have a personal affinity for "Duet" from the first season. It was the first time where they really, truly explored other aspects of Cardassian society beyond potential antagonists. It's also a fantastic usage of the bottle episode format, even if the final scene is a little off. DS9 was great at exploring other cultures, I'd have a couple of Jem'Hadar episodes up there, "To The Death", "Hippocratic Oath" and "Rocks and Shoals" would all be in my top 10, and that's a VERY hard list.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 4, 2020 0:09:06 GMT -5
It's really, really good. I do, however, have a personal affinity for "Duet" from the first season. It was the first time where they really, truly explored other aspects of Cardassian society beyond potential antagonists. It's also a fantastic usage of the bottle episode format, even if the final scene is a little off. DS9 was great at exploring other cultures, I'd have a couple of Jem'Hadar episodes up there, "To The Death", "Hippocratic Oath" and "Rocks and Shoals" would all be in my top 10, and that's a VERY hard list. There's a handful of DS9 fans on this forum, and we always seem to turn any thread about any aspect of Star Trek into an appreciation of DS9. Speaking of the Jem'Hadar, the Alpha vs Gamma bred Jem'Hadar subplot from One Little Ship was great, and I wish it had been further developed.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 8, 2020 20:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Sept 9, 2020 1:32:39 GMT -5
A lot of this was due to network and affiliate pressure not to do it. Like they originally wanted a member of the Voyager crew to be gay, but UPN pushed back hard on it. Though apparently Berman and co. didn't exactly fight much for it and that's on them not pushing for it. IIRC that was supposed to be Seven of Nine, who had gained a significant following in the LGBT community and was the subject of a petition to have her come out as gay, which at least a couple of the writers pushed for. Of course, it's since been hinted in Picard that she is at least bisexual, and there's rumour of further developments in the second season. According to Jeri Ryan herself, Seven is bisexual.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 16, 2020 14:53:19 GMT -5
First ep of the third season dropped. The premise owes plenty to Andromeda, but with a blessed absense of Kevin Sorbo.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 16, 2020 14:58:31 GMT -5
First ep of the third season dropped. The premise owes plenty to Andromeda, but with a blessed absense of Kevin Sorbo. Makes sense since Gene Roddenberry developed the original concept of that show, with Majel Barrett and DS9's Robert Wolfe developing it into an actual show.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 16, 2020 15:42:37 GMT -5
Guess those "STD isn't getting a fourth season" folks on YouTube will have to shift the goalposts again.
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