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Post by corndog on Dec 25, 2015 11:17:04 GMT -5
I seem to recall Scott Norton in the AWA either challenging Hogan or "any champion in any promotion" and maybe mentioning the WWF by name, to an arm wrestling match. I do like how Flair put over the good guys in interviews as being threats as opposed to just saying he'd beat them without a problem. Flair was incredibly good at putting people over. The Ricky Morton feud was a great example of that, when he gets pinned by Ricky Morton in an impromptu match. Flair pretty much has a "reign of terror" during the era of these episodes, but it's nothing like HHH's, because he makes the faces look strong and usually just escapes with belt by the skin of his teeth. Maybe HHH should have took an example from Flair's book, but instead he would just bury the faces in 10 minute matches and they would look worse coming out than they did before. Where as with Flair, the face would look stronger coming out of the feud and more over with the crowd than before, even though Flair would hold onto the belt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 16:37:38 GMT -5
I seem to recall Scott Norton in the AWA either challenging Hogan or "any champion in any promotion" and maybe mentioning the WWF by name, to an arm wrestling match. I do like how Flair put over the good guys in interviews as being threats as opposed to just saying he'd beat them without a problem. Flair was incredibly good at putting people over. The Ricky Morton feud was a great example of that, when he gets pinned by Ricky Morton in an impromptu match. Flair pretty much has a "reign of terror" during the era of these episodes, but it's nothing like HHH's, because he makes the faces look strong and usually just escapes with belt by the skin of his teeth. Maybe HHH should have took an example from Flair's book, but instead he would just bury the faces in 10 minute matches and they would look worse coming out than they did before. Where as with Flair, the face would look stronger coming out of the feud and more over with the crowd than before, even though Flair would hold onto the belt. It really is a real talent to be able to make people believe that everyone in the promotion can beat you including the jobbers & still be seen as a threat at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 20:15:37 GMT -5
Technically it wasn't Saturday night (Sunday prime time, precisely), but think they will add the live show where the Midnight beat the Rock & Roll Express? 2/2/86 IIRC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 20:32:13 GMT -5
Technically it wasn't Saturday night (Sunday prime time, precisely), but think they will add the live show where the Midnight beat the Rock & Roll Express? 2/2/86 IIRC. Was that SuperTowns on the SuperStation?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 21:01:32 GMT -5
Technically it wasn't Saturday night (Sunday prime time, precisely), but think they will add the live show where the Midnight beat the Rock & Roll Express? 2/2/86 IIRC. Was that SuperTowns on the SuperStation? No idea.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 15, 2016 21:26:35 GMT -5
It was
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 22:03:28 GMT -5
Was not. That aired in 1987. Found this at www.thehistoryofwwe.com/jcp86.htm "Superstars on the SuperStation" was taped Sunday, February 2nd, 1986 at the Omni in Atlanta. It aired as a TBS prime-time special that Friday, February 7th. The Midnight Express defeated the Rock & Roll Express to win the NWA World Tag-Team Titles. I watched it live and cheered Cornette's boys finally getting the belts. (So I knew it was at night...crap, 30 years ago. I was 11 years old.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 11:49:51 GMT -5
Was not. That aired in 1987. Found this at thehistoryofwwe.com/jcp86 (I'm on my mobile, dunno how to take you straight there.) "Superstars on the SuperStation" was taped Sunday, February 2nd, 1986 at the Omni in Atlanta. It aired as a TBS prime-time special that Friday, February 7th. The Midnight Express defeated the Rock & Roll Express to win the NWA World Tag-Team Titles. I watched it live and cheered Cornette's boys finally getting the belts. (So I knew it was at night...crap, 30 years ago. I was 11 years old.) One word off on something from 30 years ago with no google machine I'll take that as a win and I'll be awaiting the arrival of my victory ham in the mail.
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 28, 2016 2:18:59 GMT -5
Notice this the other day
The 2-7-87 episode is the Supertowns on the Superstation special
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Feb 28, 2016 3:33:11 GMT -5
I seem to recall Scott Norton in the AWA either challenging Hogan or "any champion in any promotion" and maybe mentioning the WWF by name, to an arm wrestling match. I do like how Flair put over the good guys in interviews as being threats as opposed to just saying he'd beat them without a problem. Flair was incredibly good at putting people over. The Ricky Morton feud was a great example of that, when he gets pinned by Ricky Morton in an impromptu match. Flair pretty much has a "reign of terror" during the era of these episodes, but it's nothing like HHH's, because he makes the faces look strong and usually just escapes with belt by the skin of his teeth. Maybe HHH should have took an example from Flair's book, but instead he would just bury the faces in 10 minute matches and they would look worse coming out than they did before. Where as with Flair, the face would look stronger coming out of the feud and more over with the crowd than before, even though Flair would hold onto the belt. 1. You're using the term "buried" a little too liberally. 2. I doubt Triple H had enough pull to be able to dictate that type of booking (despite what internet marks like to think) in 2003, when he can't even convince Vince to push one of his pet projects in NXT (Tyler Breeze) in a better spot on the main roster (along with wanting Roman to go heel) in 2016. Yeah, he had input, but to say he had complete creative control where he can intentionally "bury" people back then is ignorant. 3. Scott Steiner would probably disagree with you, considering what happened in the early 90s. 4. Comparing the booking in the NWA in the 80s to WWE's booking in modern times is comparing apples and oranges. Plus, Ric Flair held it the World Title longer than Hunter did, not to mention anyone with a brain knows the WWE's inability to book a champion. They either book them to be a goober or final boss like. That's not a Triple H thing, it's a WWE thing. That's why so many title reigns in the last 14 years or so have been forgettable. When you get Hollywood writers who have never been involved with the business writing the shows and a boss who has become increasingly narrow minded, that spells bad news for the overall product. Look at Cena's US Open Challenge. Yeah, he might've had some good matches with the undercard, but did it really benefit anyone? Outside of maybe Cesaro, no. It was Cena kicking out his opponent's finishers, AA, pin. Yet, Cena's wasn't intentionally scheming to "bury" those guys.
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Post by corndog on Feb 29, 2016 2:11:49 GMT -5
Flair was incredibly good at putting people over. The Ricky Morton feud was a great example of that, when he gets pinned by Ricky Morton in an impromptu match. Flair pretty much has a "reign of terror" during the era of these episodes, but it's nothing like HHH's, because he makes the faces look strong and usually just escapes with belt by the skin of his teeth. Maybe HHH should have took an example from Flair's book, but instead he would just bury the faces in 10 minute matches and they would look worse coming out than they did before. Where as with Flair, the face would look stronger coming out of the feud and more over with the crowd than before, even though Flair would hold onto the belt. 1. You're using the term "buried" a little too liberally. 2. I doubt Triple H had enough pull to be able to dictate that type of booking (despite what internet marks like to think) in 2003, when he can't even convince Vince to push one of his pet projects in NXT (Tyler Breeze) in a better spot on the main roster (along with wanting Roman to go heel) in 2016. Yeah, he had input, but to say he had complete creative control where he can intentionally "bury" people back then is ignorant. 3. Scott Steiner would probably disagree with you, considering what happened in the early 90s. 4. Comparing the booking in the NWA in the 80s to WWE's booking in modern times is comparing apples and oranges. Plus, Ric Flair held it the World Title longer than Hunter did, not to mention anyone with a brain knows the WWE's inability to book a champion. They either book them to be a goober or final boss like. That's not a Triple H thing, it's a WWE thing. That's why so many title reigns in the last 14 years or so have been forgettable. When you get Hollywood writers who have never been involved with the business writing the shows and a boss who has become increasingly narrow minded, that spells bad news for the overall product. Look at Cena's US Open Challenge. Yeah, he might've had some good matches with the undercard, but did it really benefit anyone? Outside of maybe Cesaro, no. It was Cena kicking out his opponent's finishers, AA, pin. Yet, Cena's wasn't intentionally scheming to "bury" those guys. 1. Not really, the Booker T fued was the epitome of burying someone. Attacking him racially and then beating him convincingly. HHH acted like a chickenshit heel, yet when it came to the match he always looked strong, usually fairly easily and quickly(for ppv title matches)beating his opponents. Basically HHH would talk a lot of trash about his opponents, making them look weak, but when the matches came he never got his comeuppance. Flair would still do the trash talking, but then get his butt kicked during the match, but find a way to barely hold on to the title. 2. Obviously Vince is head booker, but you really think his booking had nothing to do with his relationship to Vince's daughter? I guess it's just a coincidence that HHH was the strongest booked heel champion at that point of time for the WWE since Vince Jr. took over. I think HHH had strong control of his character, no doubt, if you think otherwise you are out of your element here. 3. Steiner is a douche, most that worked with Flair in NWA/WCW said he was great to work with, his only question marks came when he was booking WCW. Even those come from flaky sources, mainly Steiner and Shane Douglas. 4. I agree that comparing NWA booking to WWE booking is comparing apples to oranges, which is what makes HHH's reign of terror so out of place. The NWA preferred heel champions and the WWE has primarily had strong face champions. When the WWE does have a heel champion, they usually have to cheat ridiculously just to keep the belt. HHH had quite a few clean finishes and looked very strong most of his WHC reigns from Sept. 2002 to April 2005. As far as comparing it to Cena's U.S. Open Challenge, anyone with a brain knows that is like comparing apples to oranges. They were always competitive, lengthy matches with lower to upper midcarders, unlike a lot of HHH's PPV title defenses with main eventers.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Feb 29, 2016 9:29:01 GMT -5
Has Saturday Night been removed from the Network? I can't find it.
Edit: Found 'em!
Watching the 8/23/86 edition. Favorite part is the Baby Doll heel turn. Dusty went apeshit on Ric's knee with that chair. Both Flair and Dusty's promos after were great. RNR Express get a quick squash. Paul Ellering tells us about what the Legion of Doom is going to do next. Nikita beating Magnum was great but damn, that piledriver to Uncle Ivan on the concrete was mega-heelish. Jim Cornette shines as he's cheering on his boys, who haven't even taken off their jackets. Hella fun to watch the Midnight Express beat the ever-living shit out of the Mulkeys. Magnum's promo against Nikita is the stuff of legends. Concise, to the point and it's a shame that he never became a bigger star. He had a lot of potential and reminded me a lot of Hulk Hogan, but with more wrestling skill and a better moustache/more hair. Jim Cornette makes an very convincing case that Ricky Morton pinned Dennis Condrey, who was the illegal man at the time. I hated him growing up but he's got a point! Barney Rubble with the Marine Corps haircut dispatches George South quickly.It's "Captain Redneck", Dick Murdoch!
This is quality. It's sad to think that wrestling may never be as great as it was. NWA World Championship Wrestling remains superior to any WWF product of the time because it's so much cooler than I remember. I grew up on this stuff.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Feb 29, 2016 10:08:15 GMT -5
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Feb 29, 2016 11:14:26 GMT -5
During the 11/2/85 edition, you can clearly hear the name "Joe Laurinatis" of Minneapolis, Minnesota announced for some reason. You could write to the studio and they would announce your weddings and anniversaries on the air.
So, again, Joe Laurinitis is Road Warrior Animal. Was his father also named Joe?
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 29, 2016 21:25:09 GMT -5
Jimmy Garvin's character doesn't work as a face at all
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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 19, 2016 0:10:17 GMT -5
You can tell Dusty was burned out in 87
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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 19, 2016 23:19:18 GMT -5
They had the Mulkey's pull off that upset only to lose to Denny Brown & Todd Champion in the first round. Come on now. Vince would have had them make to Semifinals
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 20, 2016 2:08:14 GMT -5
since I never really got to see any 80's NWA it's odd to me to see The Bushwhackers (as The Sheepherders) be heel and get the USA chant against them Wait until (and if) they upload their bloodbaths from UWF.
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Post by britishbulldog on Mar 20, 2016 20:15:59 GMT -5
I hated early Saturday night as a kid because if the studio set. Compared to what Vince was doing it looked Bush league. Watching it now I appreciate the talent, but most these shows bore me to death. With that said the quality of top guys is amazing.
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Post by andrew8798 on Aug 5, 2016 23:15:10 GMT -5
Looks like we bout to get some shows from 88 next
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