Eva Marie was in one of the best booked main events in years

[Fauxnaki]

how is giving terrible wrestler a title shot good booking?

[Johnny Flamingo]

Nov 27, 2015 11:19:11 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

has is giving terrible wrestler a title shot good booking?

Lead to an entertaining match that the crowd was invested in. That is the basic end goal when booking an angle and this one succeeded.

Personally, I don't care how good a person is in the ring as long as they entertain me.

[ronin705]

I absolutely loved this match once the shenanigans began. Makes me wish that Eva does evolve more, cuz she is near Vickie Guerrerro level of heat, and she barely has done anything in ring wise and can be a potential big time main event heel. And who can be mad at a Lil naitch ref bump!? Nobody, thats who.

[Lancers]

I want to believe that Eva Marie has been deliberately wrestling bad all this time to fool people. That she really can work like Nakamura, but she's being held back to make the story work.

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2015 11:19:11 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

how is giving terrible wrestler a title shot good booking?

I was referring more to the booking of the match itself. I completely agree that Eva never should've been anywhere near a title shot. But since they absolutely insisted on doing so, using as much smoke and mirrors as humanly possible to hide the fact that she's completely incapable of wrestling, while at the same time turning Eva's push into a meta-storyline about corrupt WWE officials, is pretty genius.

[KobashiChop]

Speaking as a smart mark (i prefer saying that over smark as i want to be a mark at the end of it all) I loved it. The best wrestling draws you in and suspends your disbelief. There was just way too much going on for me to think Bayley was getting out of there with the W.

If you watch wrestling and cant suspend your disbelief and enjoy something, I cannot understand what you get from it. Thats not to say you should tolerate the crap and force yourself into the lamest parts of the longest 3 hour Raws, but I enjoy wrestling a lot more when Im marking out about Seth Rollins sprinting down the ramp at Mania 31 or Shawn kicking out of the Tombstone in WM 25 than I do sitting above it all analysing how Id book things.

I dont just want to see "my" guys win. I just want to see compelling television. I didnt get "fooled" or "conned", I just saw an entertaining match. The schadenfreude that comes with mocking the "smarks" for actually getting invested in a match really irritates me.

[Professor Chaos]

Nov 27, 2015 11:40:02 GMT -5 Lancers said:

I want to believe that Eva Marie has been deliberately wrestling bad all this time to fool people. That she really can work like Nakamura, but she's being held back to make the story work.

Eva is the master of space and time?

[Fauxnaki]

Nov 27, 2015 11:49:40 GMT -5 @tacticalsneakman said:

Nov 27, 2015 11:19:11 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

how is giving terrible wrestler a title shot good booking?

I was referring more to the booking of the match itself. I completely agree that Eva never should've been anywhere near a title shot. But since they absolutely insisted on doing so, using as much smoke and mirrors as humanly possible to hide the fact that she's completely incapable of wrestling, while at the same time turning Eva's push into a meta-storyline about corrupt WWE officials, is pretty genius.

I honestly haven't seen the match but Im not really a fan of these meta story lines in wrestling. like where does it stop? is sheamus gonna start becoming the shits in the ring just so he gets boo'd more?.

Also doesn't it devalue the title?

[Dub H]

Honeslty it would be well booked without the meta booking or not,having a gorgeous diva having small nudges winks,that the office is trying to make her win.

And you don`t need the f***ing boss every week telling you that.

[Deleted]

Nov 27, 2015 12:16:15 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

I honestly haven't seen the match but Im not really a fan of these meta story lines in wrestling. like where does it stop? is sheamus gonna start becoming the shits in the ring just so he gets boo'd more?.

Also doesn't it devalue the title?

For me, this is the only instance of the "Corporate-Approved Champion" storyline that's worked since the formation of the Authority, simply because of the real-life aspect. It's taking the whole "inept, cowardly wrestler who gets by solely due to looks and connections" shtick and applying it to Eva, who is loathed by the crowd because they think she's inept, and is getting by solely due to her looks and connections. It's the real-life aspect of the storyline that makes it work for me, and is why the live crowd was so invested in the match. A closer comparison for Sheamus would be if they suddenly started showing vignettes of him and Triple H working out together.

I don't think the title is devalued, either. Bayley, being a Daniel Bryan-esque underdog in this story, is fighting not only to prove she's the best women's wrestler in the world, but to keep the title away from corporate interests.

[Dub H]

Nov 27, 2015 12:27:21 GMT -5 @tacticalsneakman said:

Nov 27, 2015 12:16:15 GMT -5 Fauxnaki said:

I honestly haven't seen the match but Im not really a fan of these meta story lines in wrestling. like where does it stop? is sheamus gonna start becoming the shits in the ring just so he gets boo'd more?.

Also doesn't it devalue the title?

For me, this is the only instance of the "Corporate-Approved Champion" storyline that's worked since the formation of the Authority, simply because of the real-life aspect. It's taking the whole "inept, cowardly wrestler who gets by solely due to looks and connections" shtick and applying it to Eva, who is loathed by the crowd because they think she's inept, and is getting by solely due to her looks and connections. It's the real-life aspect of the storyline that makes it work for me, and is why the live crowd was so invested in the match. A closer comparison for Sheamus would be if they suddenly started showing vignettes of him and Triple H working out together.

I don't think the title is devalued, either. Bayley, being a Daniel Bryan-esque underdog in this story, is fighting not only to prove she's the best women's wrestler in the world, but to keep the title away from corporate interests.

Eva isn't even Cowardly,she is just delusional,which made it better than the usual Authority storyline

[Deleted]

It was a fun match. Best main event in years, mayyybe an overstatement. And the only reason it was good was because of these darned gullible know it all smarts that are demonized so heavily over all of this. They're the reason the match had great heat, and the reason there was so much effort in the booking.

Think about it...these fans aren't in the wrong, here. Finally, we have great womens' wrestling in WWE. The people pissed about Eva Marie getting pushed feel like that because they don't want female wrestlers to go back to just being eye candy who can be the worst wrestlers on the planet, as long as they're hot. Eva Marie represents that concept, and that's why people are so passionately against her winning a title that has been totally based in merit so far.

And somehow, that's gotten twisted into being whiny and self-entitled. If you look at why they're reacting that way, it's not that, at all.

[Deleted]

It was well done, but if the same setup had happened for a men's match on the main roster it would have been called a rehash of the old Corporation angles/stacking the deck against someone.

[sonofblaine]

It's line Bayley wasn't fighting Eva for the title, she was fighting the board of directors, who wanted to push their investment.

I was thinking what if we see the NXT fan's nightmare. Regal complains about the shenanigans to Trip, who emphatically agrees and denies any involvment. Trip goes further up for answers to find Vince.



"You know, I've been looking at this NXT thing of yours, and I've got some ideas."

[markymark]

Those Road Agents who laid out the main event deserved a big raise for making it look better than expected.

[Chainsaw]

This place gives me a headache sometimes.

[Deleted]

Got a lot of Tony Schiavone vibes in this thread. The hyperbole is off the charts.

But the guy who said "I just wanna get lost in the action" is right on.

[The Kevstaaa]

I mean, they used a ton of smoke and mirrors and it was indeed, the right move. You have to do something to get around Eva's complete incompetence in the ring. Kudos.

[benstudd]

Nov 26, 2015 16:26:44 GMT -5 Lance Uppercut said:

The beauty in WWE, compared to most "work rate" companies that happen to also be around at the time, is that they recognize that a well paced story is way more memorable than a random good match. Hence why so much more people have such fond memories of 80's WWF and their characters than some random "realistic and hard hitting" NWA match and their "Real wrestlers".

First you make no sense. From the 80s WWF to the 80s NWA, it's a mix of storyline, heat and match that makes the whole package works. Notice that without the Horsemen, the Flair stuff is not as good.

Secondly, what this have to do with NXT? A show that has been mostly booked by a NWA guy, Dusty Rhodes? 

[El Cokehead del Knife Fight]

Like I said in the NXT thread, Eva still isn't very good and they didn't have her do very much. They instead just smoke and mirrored the hell out of the match so very little was actually required out of Eva.