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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 15, 2015 16:09:50 GMT -5
All the prequels suck. Terrible direction, awful script, and a storyline that makes no sense at all. As best I could tell, the Republic wants to create an army to fight the seperatists, who want nothing else but to seperate. So why is a war necessary? Why not just allow them to leave? Because Palpatine is pulling the strings on both sides.
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Post by Ashy Larry on Dec 15, 2015 16:38:03 GMT -5
Hayden Christensen looks terrible these days (or he's just out of shape and has the Samuel Shaw mustache, I'll go with the latter). Can't believe how wooden he was in that.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Dec 15, 2015 16:44:15 GMT -5
I've been watching the movies in Machete Order, that is 4, 5, 2, 3, 6 with 1 afterward. Going from TESB to AOTC and from Han/Leia to Anakin/Padme really illustrates how wretched the dialogue is in AOTC.
As good as Christopher Lee is, Count Dooku is a very wooden character.
I know they changed the script big time after the backlash from TPM and it shows in AOTC.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 15, 2015 16:46:23 GMT -5
All the prequels suck. Terrible direction, awful script, and a storyline that makes no sense at all. As best I could tell, the Republic wants to create an army to fight the seperatists, who want nothing else but to seperate. So why is a war necessary? Why not just allow them to leave? Because Palpatine is pulling the strings on both sides. Yes but Palpatine at some point or another would have to explain why they need to go to war. They never bother showing that in the film. No justification is ever given. Not even a throwaway line about senators benefitting from military contracts or some shit like that.
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Post by Cela on Dec 15, 2015 17:06:22 GMT -5
I hate sand.
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Post by Cela on Dec 15, 2015 17:10:39 GMT -5
Because Palpatine is pulling the strings on both sides. Yes but Palpatine at some point or another would have to explain why they need to go to war. They never bother showing that in the film. No justification is ever given. Not even a throwaway line about senators benefitting from military contracts or some shit like that. Because they invaded Naboo and various other spots. It was a civil war.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 15, 2015 17:31:56 GMT -5
Yes but Palpatine at some point or another would have to explain why they need to go to war. They never bother showing that in the film. No justification is ever given. Not even a throwaway line about senators benefitting from military contracts or some shit like that. Because they invaded Naboo and various other spots. It was a civil war. The Trade Federation invaded Naboo in a tax dispute. They didn't ally themselves with Dooku until after that, and even then there was no demonstration of hostility to the Republic outside of trying to kill Amidala for no reason.
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Post by Cela on Dec 15, 2015 17:35:06 GMT -5
Because they invaded Naboo and various other spots. It was a civil war. The civil war was between the Empire and Rebels. The war in the prequels was merely a secessionist movement. It didn't break out into a full scale war until Episode III and even that wasn't justified on screen. Except for the giant battle in Episode 2, and the previous Chancellor being impeached for inaction. The Trade Federation was going against the Republic and their orders to stop blockades, so war began. It's pretty justified.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 15, 2015 17:40:51 GMT -5
The civil war was between the Empire and Rebels. The war in the prequels was merely a secessionist movement. It didn't break out into a full scale war until Episode III and even that wasn't justified on screen. Except for the giant battle in Episode 2, and the previous Chancellor being impeached for inaction. The Trade Federation was going against the Republic and their orders to stop blockades, so war began. It's pretty justified. The giant battle in Episode II only came as a result of investigations into Padme's assassin. The Chancellor was impeached in Episode I and only because Lucas never bothered to explain why "proof" of Naboo's invasion would even be necessary given that the Jedi could have testified it was under way. The war didn't begin due to the blockade. It began because the Republic inexplicably decided to launch a war against an ex-Jedi and his allies who decided to leave. That's all.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 15, 2015 18:00:00 GMT -5
Natalie Portman made it worthwhile.
There's a sand quote here somewhere, I'm just not witty enough to make it.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 15, 2015 18:55:43 GMT -5
I've been watching the movies in Machete Order, that is 4, 5, 2, 3, 6 with 1 afterward. Going from TESB to AOTC and from Han/Leia to Anakin/Padme really illustrates how wretched the dialogue is in AOTC. As good as Christopher Lee is, Count Dooku is a very wooden character. I know they changed the script big time after the backlash from TPM and it shows in AOTC. Count Dooku is a great example of how out of it Lucas was during the making of the PT. Think about it: Count Dooku was a Jedi who left the order because of the Jedi's unemotional response to his apprentice/good friend Qui Gon Jinn's due to their archaic "No attachments" nonsense and because they had become ineffective in dealing with conflict in the galaxy. Think of all the places you could have gone with that. It could have added a depth not just to the story itself, but to characters like Obi Wan and Yoda. Maybe the things they believe and the values they adhere to aren't as foolproof as they think. Maybe there's more to being a Jedi than just detachment and serenity. Perhaps the Jedi Order needs to adapt their views and methods to stay relevant. Instead, they made him an ineffective shadow figure who was dealt with pretty quickly in ROTS. Lame. What a waste of Christopher Lee. I appreciate future efforts by LucasArts to make Dooku more of a threat in the cartoons and the new canon novels but, it was too late. The damage had been done.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Dec 15, 2015 19:14:26 GMT -5
Even though it retconed Boba Fett's origin it wasn't that bad
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 15, 2015 19:21:39 GMT -5
I've been watching the movies in Machete Order, that is 4, 5, 2, 3, 6 with 1 afterward. Going from TESB to AOTC and from Han/Leia to Anakin/Padme really illustrates how wretched the dialogue is in AOTC. As good as Christopher Lee is, Count Dooku is a very wooden character. I know they changed the script big time after the backlash from TPM and it shows in AOTC. Count Dooku is a great example of how out of it Lucas was during the making of the PT. Think about it: Count Dooku was a Jedi who left the order because of the Jedi's unemotional response to his apprentice/good friend Qui Gon Jinn's due to their archaic "No attachments" nonsense and because they had become ineffective in dealing with conflict in the galaxy. Think of all the places you could have gone with that. It could have added a depth not just to the story itself, but to characters like Obi Wan and Yoda. Maybe the things they believe and the values they adhere to aren't as foolproof as they think. Maybe there's more to being a Jedi than just detachment and serenity. Perhaps the Jedi Order needs to adapt their views and methods to stay relevant. Instead, they made him an ineffective shadow figure who was dealt with pretty quickly in ROTS. Lame. What a waste of Christopher Lee. I appreciate future efforts by LucasArts to make Dooku more of a threat in the cartoons and the new canon novels but, it was too late. The damage had been done. Lucas taking cool looking and interesting villains and wasting them is pretty much his MO
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Dec 15, 2015 20:03:48 GMT -5
Why couldn't you have just brought this up in the other anti-Star Wars thread? We don't need a thread for every movie Good point. Why can't we have all the daily "ass" and "phallis" threads bring up their points[?] in a single collective "ass and phallis" thread? (They all serve the same purpose.) On point, I have no idea how good Episode III is because of how bad Episode II is. They all are supposed to build on each other, so this is like trying to look at a diamond that rests on a mound of feces.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 15, 2015 20:15:24 GMT -5
I like it for the following reasons: 1. Obi-Wan Kenobi 2. Count Dooku 3. Jango Fett 4. Circus Sacrifice to Monsters, Jedi Rescue Droid Battle 5. Obi-Wan & Anakin vs Dooku 6. Yoda vs Dooku 7. Shapeshifter bounty hunter hunt. Remove the godawful romance plot and Attack of the Clones is my favourite (or least-disliked) of the prequels, for many of these reasons. Obi Wan: Space Detective was enjoyable, if underdeveloped, and even an underdeveloped Christopher Lee character is always better than a General Grievous, alien Fu Manchu, or Anakin "I'm Darth Vader now" Skywalker.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 15, 2015 20:18:34 GMT -5
It's always been 'meh' to me. Probably my least favorite of the Star Wars movies.
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Post by bob on Dec 15, 2015 23:27:20 GMT -5
All the prequels suck. Terrible direction, awful script, and a storyline that makes no sense at all. As best I could tell, the Republic wants to create an army to fight the seperatists, who want nothing else but to seperate. So why is a war necessary? Why not just allow them to leave? Because Palpatine is pulling the strings on both sides.
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Post by Heeltown, USA on Dec 15, 2015 23:27:42 GMT -5
Why couldn't you have just brought this up in the other anti-Star Wars thread? We don't need a thread for every movie I disagree. This thread refers to the pure shit stained underwear of a Star Wars suit, while the other thread encompasses the shirt, vest, slacks, jacket and shoes. It deserves its own thread.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 15, 2015 23:34:09 GMT -5
I found it interesting that Darth & Droids pointed out that as of AOTC, anyone could secretly be a shapeshifter or clone... And it's never remarked upon or used.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 16, 2015 0:16:19 GMT -5
It wasn't complete crap, but it could have been so much better.
Keep:
- Obi-Won's stuff. Like, all of it. He was awesome. - Count Dooku - Anakin losing his shit and killing the Tusken Raiders (even if he looked more constipated than pissed) - Jango Fett
Ditch: - Jar Jar - half of the airspeeder chase - half of the lightsabre duel between Dooku and Anakin/Kenobi (as in less Anakin since it looked terrible and added nothing) - most of the arena crap
Improve:
- Replace every word of that verbal effluvia that Lucas thought was romantic banter with real dialogue. - Flesh out the Kenobi/Anakin relationship. They are supposed to be more than teacher/student. They are supposed to be next to inseparable. Why else would we care about Anakin turning on Kenobi, especially since you kind of spoiled that development 25 years earlier? - Fill out the Battle of Geonosis. That seemed an afterthought. - Do a better job explaining the deal with "Syfo Dias" ordering the clone army in the first place. That still makes no sense.
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