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Post by abjordans on Dec 16, 2015 19:59:35 GMT -5
You all want The Demon to bust out all this crazy stuff, but the fact of the matter is Balor is just a decent worker.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 16, 2015 20:58:52 GMT -5
We're upset by a guy leaping off the top rope and stomping a guy's ribcage, but go nuts over a generic powerbomb where the opponent jumps first... this board is strange sometimes. The double stomp looks like shit and makes no sense with the Demon stuff, never mind I wouldn't buy a 100lbs dude like Finn pinning anyone but Neville and Zayn with that. Absolutely stupid to see him bounce off Joe and it be move ends it.
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 16, 2015 21:04:08 GMT -5
At the very least, Balor should stop doing double stomp moves when the Coup De Grace is just that off the top rope.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 16, 2015 21:09:53 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand the hate for it. A grown man jumping that high and stamping on your chest would be instant death. I wince every time he does it because it looks so vicious. I don't get why people don't like it. For me it's because it's so obvious that he lessens the impact so it takes away from my suspended disbelief. I know why he does it, for safety, because you could legit injure or even kill the opponent, but it still doesn't look devastating to me when I see him bend his knees and slide gently off the guy. Just doesn't look real to me, even though I fully realize that the more contrived moves that are ridiculously unreal actually look more real.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 16, 2015 21:21:49 GMT -5
His double stomp to a standing opponent's back looks so much better than his finisher version.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 16, 2015 23:00:22 GMT -5
His double stomp to a standing opponent's back looks so much better than his finisher version. Cesaro does that as well and it looks badass from him.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Dec 16, 2015 23:07:15 GMT -5
I never understood why an Irish wrestler with a significantly meaningful stage name gave his finisher a French name. I guess they have hating the British in common?
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 17, 2015 0:24:18 GMT -5
I never understood why an Irish wrestler with a significantly meaningful stage name gave his finisher a French name. I guess they have hating the British in common? His gimmick is all over the place. What about him is demonic anyway? Kane has lit people on fire, buried them alive, attacked them with hooks, shocked their balls with a car battery... that's demonic. Balor taps into his dark side and does what? A cirque de sole routine? It's so dumb. He's a talented guy. He doesn't need any of it. Dude has some of the craziest eyes I've seen. He looks like a psycho. This gimmick would suit Corbin or Cass better.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 17, 2015 0:26:37 GMT -5
I never understood why an Irish wrestler with a significantly meaningful stage name gave his finisher a French name. I guess they have hating the British in common? His gimmick is all over the place. What about him is demonic anyway? Kane has lit people on fire, buried them alive, attacked them with hooks, shocked their balls with a car battery... that's demonic. Balor taps into his dark side and does what? A cirque de sole routine? It's so dumb. He's a talented guy. He doesn't need any of it. Dude has some of the craziest eyes I've seen. He looks like a psycho. This gimmick would suit Corbin or Cass better. The Demon Big Cass sounds like a hilarious gimmick. Since being The Demon seems to have no baring on your personality, I'd like to see Cass all painted up while Enzo and Carmella just look confused and uncomfortable.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 17, 2015 0:41:15 GMT -5
His gimmick is all over the place. What about him is demonic anyway? Kane has lit people on fire, buried them alive, attacked them with hooks, shocked their balls with a car battery... that's demonic. Balor taps into his dark side and does what? A cirque de sole routine? It's so dumb. He's a talented guy. He doesn't need any of it. Dude has some of the craziest eyes I've seen. He looks like a psycho. This gimmick would suit Corbin or Cass better. The Demon Big Cass sounds like a hilarious gimmick. Since being The Demon seems to have no baring on your personality, I'd like to see Cass all painted up while Enzo and Carmella just look confused and uncomfortable. He's intimidating enough to pull it off. It would be a main roster repackage. Not that I'm saying this is something they should do now. I'd like to see that team get called up soon as is.
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Dec 17, 2015 0:50:35 GMT -5
Balor should just rip Tajiris full moveset in all honesty. Fits him perfectly. That submission on the ropes, the mist, buzzsaw kick, all of it.
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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 17, 2015 4:11:37 GMT -5
When it comes to the risk/reward balance, it's an incredibly risky move that doesn't look all that impressive. Probably the worst finisher of anyone on the current roster, and the straw that breaks the camel's back when it comes to making Balor look average rather than impressive.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 17, 2015 4:14:59 GMT -5
I like the move, but wish he had something else since Itami beat him to it, even if Itami's probably going to start doing the GTS eventually.
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Post by Dang! on Dec 17, 2015 4:36:31 GMT -5
Agreed. That finisher is Balor's weakest point. He needs a new one.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 17, 2015 9:43:19 GMT -5
I like the move, but wish he had something else since Itami beat him to it, even if Itami's probably going to start doing the GTS eventually. Yeah I like the double stomp but I think he needs an impact finisher. I'd rather see him do a move unique to him, but I agree that Demon Balor needs a different finisher. I think Demon Balor needs a different moveset entirely. I agree there. More head based offense and working body parts. As for a finisher, I do think Balor and "The Demon" need two different ones. If not the Tombstone, maybe the Steiner Screwdriver? Probably too dangerous though. regular piledrivers aren't allowed there is no way in hell they'd allow that.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 17, 2015 10:08:10 GMT -5
Maybe he should do it like Low Ki and come down full mass on guys' chest. Sure he will injure people and get branded as unsafe but the top rope double stomp will look dangerous. Mainly because it is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 10:23:12 GMT -5
I never understood why an Irish wrestler with a significantly meaningful stage name gave his finisher a French name. I guess they have hating the British in common? His gimmick is all over the place. What about him is demonic anyway? Kane has lit people on fire, buried them alive, attacked them with hooks, shocked their balls with a car battery... that's demonic. Balor taps into his dark side and does what? A cirque de sole routine? It's so dumb. He's a talented guy. He doesn't need any of it. Dude has some of the craziest eyes I've seen. He looks like a psycho. This gimmick would suit Corbin or Cass better. I realize our grasp on wrestling is conditioned much by what we see but it sounds a bit absurd to think "this human being wears face paint, why isn't he setting people on fire and electrocuting people?" Kane was booked on the premise that he has blood relations to supernatural beings. Finn Balor is a pro wrestler who wears war paint when he's settling a score. I thought Balor's offense against Joe was pretty much on point with what taking the "Demon" moniker should entail, it was very clear Balor wasn't going in to have a wrestling match, but to kick the shit out of a former friend. Balor was never meant to be anything but a highly skilled and artistically inclined professional wrestler so Kane comparisons aren't really the place to go, and he's not the kind of performer that needs that over the top gimmick. The paint is important to his identity and is exclusive to him and is part of what makes him special. I agree that there are past matches where it seems like he's just wearing the paint and not doing much else differently, but I don't think he really needs to be that different, because he's still the same guy, and I think the match against Joe was how it should be done. I don't want Balor to be some psychopath who's normal most days, but puts on paint on others and is all of a sudden an arsonist. Consider me perplexed on the Coup De Grace hate as well. If a top rope elbow drop is an acceptable finisher why isn't a top rope double stomp? The setup might be a bit convoluted but I don't mind. From a story telling standpoint it's like the 619 and it adds drama to the match because once Balor hits that dropkick there's a journey in seeing if he can complete the sequence before the opponent does something about it.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 17, 2015 10:55:42 GMT -5
His gimmick is all over the place. What about him is demonic anyway? Kane has lit people on fire, buried them alive, attacked them with hooks, shocked their balls with a car battery... that's demonic. Balor taps into his dark side and does what? A cirque de sole routine? It's so dumb. He's a talented guy. He doesn't need any of it. Dude has some of the craziest eyes I've seen. He looks like a psycho. This gimmick would suit Corbin or Cass better. I realize our grasp on wrestling is conditioned much by what we see but it sounds a bit absurd to think "this human being wears face paint, why isn't he setting people on fire and electrocuting people?" Kane was booked on the premise that he has blood relations to supernatural beings. Finn Balor is a pro wrestler who wears war paint when he's settling a score. I thought Balor's offense against Joe was pretty much on point with what taking the "Demon" moniker should entail, it was very clear Balor wasn't going in to have a wrestling match, but to kick the shit out of a former friend. Balor was never meant to be anything but a highly skilled and artistically inclined professional wrestler so Kane comparisons aren't really the place to go, and he's not the kind of performer that needs that over the top gimmick. The paint is important to his identity and is exclusive to him and is part of what makes him special. I agree that there are past matches where it seems like he's just wearing the paint and not doing much else differently, but I don't think he really needs to be that different, because he's still the same guy, and I think the match against Joe was how it should be done. I don't want Balor to be some psychopath who's normal most days, but puts on paint on others and is all of a sudden an arsonist. Consider me perplexed on the Coup De Grace hate as well. If a top rope elbow drop is an acceptable finisher why isn't a top rope double stomp? The setup might be a bit convoluted but I don't mind. From a story telling standpoint it's like the 619 and it adds drama to the match because once Balor hits that dropkick there's a journey in seeing if he can complete the sequence before the opponent does something about it. That's all well and good so why do the announcers keep harping that he's taping into his darkside? He doesn't do anything "dark". He just wrestles. He doesn't even no sell. If he wants to wear war paint, just don't call yourself a demon. The elbow works because the impact looks and sounds impressive. The stomp doesn't because it looks soft and there's no sound.
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Post by Brooklynpunk97 on Dec 17, 2015 11:12:42 GMT -5
I seriously think hes going to one day roll the wrong way or slip during the stomp and seriously blow out his knee or bust his ankle.
I think the move is pretty ugly for a finisher.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 12:54:23 GMT -5
I realize our grasp on wrestling is conditioned much by what we see but it sounds a bit absurd to think "this human being wears face paint, why isn't he setting people on fire and electrocuting people?" Kane was booked on the premise that he has blood relations to supernatural beings. Finn Balor is a pro wrestler who wears war paint when he's settling a score. I thought Balor's offense against Joe was pretty much on point with what taking the "Demon" moniker should entail, it was very clear Balor wasn't going in to have a wrestling match, but to kick the shit out of a former friend. Balor was never meant to be anything but a highly skilled and artistically inclined professional wrestler so Kane comparisons aren't really the place to go, and he's not the kind of performer that needs that over the top gimmick. The paint is important to his identity and is exclusive to him and is part of what makes him special. I agree that there are past matches where it seems like he's just wearing the paint and not doing much else differently, but I don't think he really needs to be that different, because he's still the same guy, and I think the match against Joe was how it should be done. I don't want Balor to be some psychopath who's normal most days, but puts on paint on others and is all of a sudden an arsonist. Consider me perplexed on the Coup De Grace hate as well. If a top rope elbow drop is an acceptable finisher why isn't a top rope double stomp? The setup might be a bit convoluted but I don't mind. From a story telling standpoint it's like the 619 and it adds drama to the match because once Balor hits that dropkick there's a journey in seeing if he can complete the sequence before the opponent does something about it. That's all well and good so why do the announcers keep harping that he's taping into his darkside? He doesn't do anything "dark". He just wrestles. He doesn't even no sell. If he wants to wear war paint, just don't call yourself a demon. The elbow works because the impact looks and sounds impressive. The stomp doesn't because it looks soft and there's no sound. I don't know, the visual of a guy jumping off a 5+ foot thing and double stomping into a guys chest is good enough that I don't need sounds. If you watch close enough you can see where the smoke and mirrors of the move are but wrestling is fake and it looks good enough without killing anyone, you could do a lot worse as far as finishers go I think. I don't think we're gonna see eye to eye on the demon thing. In the context of NXT where you hardly (if at all) see chairshots or anything too dastardly, Balor's behavior as the demon is relatively more reckless than he is without. You could argue that without that "Demon" mindset he wouldn't have beaten Joe because he needs that mental space to be able to put the boots to his former friend without wearing it on his conscience. It might not be "I'm gonna Pillmanize his leg" dark but in the context of NXT, Balor kicking the hell out of Joe and opting to brawl around the ring instead of inside it is not a route he normally takes without the paint on. Like when they did the Hideo Itami injury angle people were suggesting that it be revealed that the Demon did it but I just think that's so silly because Balor isn't all that complex. It would be taking a guy whose gimmick is pretty well established, like I said before, as a high level competitor with an artistic flair, and turns his gimmick into flat out mental illness. I agree that they haven't really used the Demon perfectly all the time, at the start it seemed like they were just gonna paint him up every Takeover, but I was glad when he didn't do it for the Dusty classic finals, and I found its use appropriate this time given the personal nature of the feud. I'm sure as time goes on the dynamics between Balor and the Demon will become more nuanced.
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