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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 17, 2015 13:13:09 GMT -5
The elbow works because the impact looks and sounds impressive. The stomp doesn't because it looks soft and there's no sound. I don't know, the visual of a guy jumping off a 5+ foot thing and double stomping into a guys chest is good enough that I don't need sounds. If you watch close enough you can see where the smoke and mirrors of the move are but wrestling is fake and it looks good enough without killing anyone, you could do a lot worse as far as finishers go I think. Except the visual loses it's effect for most when Finn crumples off to the side of the opponent limp. It's awkward looking from the top rope, to most people it kills the visual effect. It looks just as bad when Del Rio does it.
The double stomp really only works well when it's done off the mat.
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Post by repomark on Dec 17, 2015 19:26:10 GMT -5
I don't mind it as being one of his finishers but he also needs a ground based snap finisher as well. I always think top rope finishers can disrupt the flow of a match due to the need to already knock your opponent out before you can do it.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 18, 2015 11:46:38 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand the hate for it. A grown man jumping that high and stamping on your chest would be instant death. I wince every time he does it because it looks so vicious. I don't get why people don't like it. Stuff that works logically in real life doesn't necessarily look good on camera; same as with submission moves that should snap your leg after ten seconds. I also can't stand this finish.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 18, 2015 12:12:35 GMT -5
I don't mind it as being one of his finishers but he also needs a ground based snap finisher as well. I always think top rope finishers can disrupt the flow of a match due to the need to already knock your opponent out before you can do it. I still think a finisher should be a "finisher" in the sense that it's what you choose to do as a signature once the opponent is too weak to resist anymore. Not an "Instant Death Move" that you can hit any place, any time, at any point in the match. So, I really don't mind when someone has a "weak" finisher as long as they've used other impact moves in the process of wearing the opponent down.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 18, 2015 14:08:39 GMT -5
I agree there. More head based offense and working body parts. As for a finisher, I do think Balor and "The Demon" need two different ones. If not the Tombstone, maybe the Steiner Screwdriver? Probably too dangerous though. It's cute that you think that all five feet and seven inches of Mr. Balor would be able to pull off a move like that. Austin Aries is even smaller and can hit brainbusters, so it's possible.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 18, 2015 14:13:38 GMT -5
It's cute that you think that all five feet and seven inches of Mr. Balor would be able to pull off a move like that. Austin Aries is even smaller and can hit brainbusters, so it's possible. Finn does a brainbuster.
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Post by Jobes on Dec 18, 2015 14:24:06 GMT -5
It's cute that you think that all five feet and seven inches of Mr. Balor would be able to pull off a move like that. Austin Aries is even smaller and can hit brainbusters, so it's possible. Austin Aries also doesn't hold his opponent vertical for a full five seconds before transitioning into a reverse sitout piledriver.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 18, 2015 14:27:07 GMT -5
Austin Aries is even smaller and can hit brainbusters, so it's possible. Austin Aries also doesn't hold his opponent vertical for a full five seconds before transitioning into a sitout piledriver. And again there is no way in hell this gets ok'd in the WWE when they don't let people use regular piledrivers on any kind of consistent basis.
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Post by Jobes on Dec 18, 2015 14:30:33 GMT -5
Austin Aries also doesn't hold his opponent vertical for a full five seconds before transitioning into a sitout piledriver. And again there is no way in hell this gets ok'd in the WWE when they don't let people use regular piledrivers on any kind of consistent basis. A brainbuster is basically a vertical suplex where the person giving the move snaps quickly to create the illusion of the opponent landing on the top of their head. Finn would not only have to hold the opponent in the air, he'd also have to shift their full body weight to an entirely different position to deliver the move. It would be impossible.
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Post by Johnny on Dec 18, 2015 14:53:35 GMT -5
for me a finisher is all about impact. there's the theatrics around it, which can be anything you like, but the impact needs some oomph in it.
I look at the peoples elbow as a good example. It's such a dumb move, with a ridiculous build up, and it works because it's the Rock, but it's allowed to work because the final impact as snap, force, and can be done with aggression. The concept of the coup de grace is great (much better than an elbow), but the impact is so careful. He can't hit it with aggression, cos he'll kill the guy. For me it's the finisher equivalent of the finger poke of doom. So much promise, hype, potential, build up, delivery....and then a dull prod at the end.
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Post by alexwrightspackage on Dec 18, 2015 16:25:23 GMT -5
While the CDG has grown on me, Finn's look made me imagine him doing something flashy like the Red Arrow, or some super complex submission hold.
It's the elevation and impact that sold me on it, though.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Dec 18, 2015 17:04:55 GMT -5
I don't want Balor to be some psychopath who's normal most days, but puts on paint on others and is all of a sudden an arsonist. Now I want to see that. "Finn Balor making his way out now to take on.........WAIT!! IT'S DEMON BALOR!! EVERYONE HEAD TO THE FIRE EXITS!! *Pulls Alarm*"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 17:06:25 GMT -5
It follows WWE rules that all finishers must not look as good as your regular moves.
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Post by AtomSmasher on Dec 18, 2015 17:13:46 GMT -5
I don't get the hate- he gets height, and to me he hits it in a realistic fashion. Of course he looks awkward. He's just jumped on a prone opponent from height with both feet. I think it's a decent finisher - and he hit it on Joe quickly with very litle hesitation or set up. And to suggest that he should use the Screwdriver instead is just utter fantasy: How about the Gansobomb if you're heading down that route? ?
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 19, 2015 20:04:32 GMT -5
Having finally got around to watching Takeover fully I can say that that CDG was my favourite one of his yet.
I completely understand the qualms people have of it as a finisher and I admit that on some occasions he has done it, it has looked great, other times it hasn't.
I liked that one and the finish because you could tell how desperate he was psychology wise to nail Joe with it as soon as he hit the mat. The three impacts of a massive chop, Joe's head bouncing off the mat and then the CDG in quick succession truly put over how desperate Balor was to put him away (I loved how Joe was booked in the match. Just a complete monster having to take so many shotgun dropkicks just to put him down, when in the past Balor has just used one and then done the CDG. This match was the definition of the looses looking strong in defeat).
Plus it looked like he got plenty of height and movement in, even with the little amount of time he had to prepare. To me it looks astetically pleasing with Finn's execution of it (pretty much like every single move he does) and he think it suits his whole flying deamon/gargoyle motif, which the commentators did mention at the end of the match, very well.
Easy ****1/4 match for me and the finish was unbelievable. I do think that because the CDG can be hit and miss in quality that he should have another finisher, mat based, not on the turnbuckle. He used the Bloody Sunday on Joe (albeit a version with less of a spike than what he used to do) so I don't understand why they don't let him use it. The opponents head is protected by Finn
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Dec 19, 2015 20:57:16 GMT -5
I like the move just fine but don't think it works as a finisher. I'd have him either use Angel 's Wings or Cradle Shock.
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Post by percymania on Dec 20, 2015 0:48:27 GMT -5
I disagree. The coup de grace is very good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 1:10:48 GMT -5
It's one of the most devastating looking finishers on the roster. Unlike a lot of finishers that are done to "look cool", this one is straight to the point. For me there's 3 different areas that a finisher needs to be an A class finisher. It needs to look simple, it needs to look devastating and it needs to look like something you can legit see a competitor pull out in a confrontation. This has all 3. I can legit see someone finishing another person off with this.
It's perfect.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Dec 20, 2015 6:31:41 GMT -5
Count me in the camp that likes it. I would like to see him incorporate the Dragon Sleeper and the spin kick more as a secondary finishers (I think WWE2k16 put them in as "popularized by Finn Balor") but as an impact finisher, Balor has shown that he can do the stomp safely, which is the most important part of any move in the ring.
As far as his execution goes, I understand when people say that the ending/pushoff he does "gives the trick away" but it also gives you an appreciation for how good Balor is if he can do that sleight of hand(foot?) so seamlessly without injuring anyone. Plus if you look at the whole sequence for the move, there is built up intensity in how high he jumps and how much movement he gets (his knees usually touch his elbows) which help present it as a believable impact for a finisher.
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Post by The Tee Why on Dec 20, 2015 12:33:32 GMT -5
I dont mind the stomp, but I'd rather he rolls through after like Low-Ki, rather than landing square on his arse. Looks silly.
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