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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 5, 2016 17:24:28 GMT -5
During the Owens/Rhodes/Josh from tough Enough twitter debacle.... Bull tweeted something about having respect for peers, to which Owens responded, "He's not our peer." Almost expected Josh to respond today with "Yeah, I'm not your peer. I'm still employed." Regardless, kinda sad to see these guys go but with all the people they're signing and giving TV time to... something HAD to give. Someone mentioned it a while back, but the NXT roster isn't just competing with the signees. They're competing with the unsigned talents that are brought in just to be jobbers. It's not the likes of Nakamura they have to worry about so much as the likes of Jesse Sorenson and Corey Hollis. People like Bull, Lefort, and Marcus can't just be enhancement talents anymore because WWE can always reach out to a random Indy journeyman for a one off. This is exactly why I've always said bringing back jobbers was a bad idea, because it just makes the lower end of the roster even more expendable. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:58:25 GMT -5
Bull I've only every enjoyed once and that's when he was destroying Mojo but apart from that, and the Bull Fit thing was rubbish so not saddened although obviously a shame for someone to lose their job
Lefort....I'd forgotten was still around tbh
Marcus.....Terrible in the ring but was so over the top with his monster gimmick that I did actually enjoy him when he was on TV so kinda dissapointed he went although I will acknowledge no great loss to WWE
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 5, 2016 18:22:37 GMT -5
I think all 3 were just a case of plan a not working and just getting lost in the shuffle. With Bull I think if he can get on a roll in the indies like CJP and Crowe he'll be fine. The Legionaires? Well... I think they only really saw Lefort as a manager, and while both may have had potential, they've got so many projects at the Training Center I think people kind of lost interest.
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Post by ayumidah on Feb 5, 2016 18:41:09 GMT -5
If I'd been booked to lose to A-Ri, I'd have been happy with being released too.
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Post by joeiscool on Feb 5, 2016 18:44:28 GMT -5
But that also comes part and parcel with being in NXT- the "It's developmental" thing goes both ways as well. As much as people want stars to develop on NXT, there also has to be a realization that part of NXT being developmental means that "cycling people down the card and out the door" has to play a role in NXT as well, simply because if people are developing, the people who are developing well will rise up the card and eventually make it to the main roster- but people who aren't developing as well will start falling down the card and eventually be replaced with new people who are developing better. I understand the part of NXT being a competition and you to got to grind it out & outshine others to keep your job. NXT though tends to cool off on talents quickly. If you're lucky, you get repackaged and hopefully that helps you out. Otherwise you got to hope that you are not in the bottom percentile when the new class comes in. If Tyler Breeze stayed in NXT, we would be talking about him today in the past tense of working for WWE because he was in Bull's spot before his callup. But you are also missing the point that it IS developmental. What we see is a small part of the whole developmental process. They are learning bumps, promo skills, the wwe style, and a whole host of other things. Just because a person seems to not be succeeding on the programming does not mean that they are not succeeding in the developmental processes. As time goes on I'd bet we'd get more people who accomplished nothing in NXT. If I was a betting person I'd say Tye Dillinger will be the next person who does this |
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Post by Vern on Feb 5, 2016 18:57:17 GMT -5
Gotta make room for Thatcher and various ants. I liked Bull as a comedy character but I'm OK with this.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 5, 2016 19:39:05 GMT -5
And they keep Riley?
Bogus.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 5, 2016 19:48:24 GMT -5
And they keep Riley? Bogus. I know people don't like Riley but putting him on the same level as Bull (who was a decent comedy character), Lefort and Marcus Louis is ridiculous. If you're gonna condemn him for being "not that good in the ring" then you'd have to get rid of Everyone except for the big Indy names and American Alpha. Riley is actually pretty decent as a worker, and while he's working on NXT he probably isn't considered part of the "developmental class", so he probably wouldn't have even be taken under consideration the way that they were. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 5, 2016 19:59:24 GMT -5
See, I find Bull more entertaining. Skills in the ring is only a component of that.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 5, 2016 20:01:44 GMT -5
See, I find Bull more entertaining. Skills in the ring is only a component of that. I also found Bull way more entertaining than I ever found Riley... but I have already mentioned that multiple times. |
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Post by percymania on Feb 5, 2016 20:06:51 GMT -5
Bull Dempsey's gone? Yay!
Sylvester LeFort? That's fine.
Marcus Louis? Now that's a shame!
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Post by Talent Name on Feb 5, 2016 20:07:08 GMT -5
Great now Kane's son is going to be lose on the public
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Post by JCBaggee on Feb 5, 2016 20:10:44 GMT -5
Random c.o.n.SPIRACY theory, would the five NXT releases today be enough cut money to justify an Awesome Kong/Karma run in NXT now that she's done with TNA?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 5, 2016 20:27:25 GMT -5
I hope not.
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Post by Richard on Feb 5, 2016 20:30:37 GMT -5
Random c.o.n.SPIRACY theory, would the five NXT releases today be enough cut money to justify an Awesome Kong/Karma run in NXT now that she's done with TNA? Hell no. She's nuts. This also ignores she is just cant go anymore. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 5, 2016 20:31:56 GMT -5
See, I find Bull more entertaining. Skills in the ring is only a component of that. I also found Bull way more entertaining than I ever found Riley... but I have already mentioned that multiple times. Honestly it's not about him so much as I was hoping we'd have one release thread without someone playing the "But <X wrestler that I hate> is still employed" card. |
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 5, 2016 20:37:58 GMT -5
And they keep Riley? Bogus. I know people don't like Riley but putting him on the same level as Bull (who was a decent comedy character), Lefort and Marcus Louis is ridiculous. If you're gonna condemn him for being "not that good in the ring" then you'd have to get rid of Everyone except for the big Indy names and American Alpha. Riley is actually pretty decent as a worker, and while he's working on NXT he probably isn't considered part of the "developmental class", so he probably wouldn't have even be taken under consideration the way that they were. And here's the thing about Bull; every NXT house show report that I read that has a Bull Dempsey match says that this match was a ton of fun and Bull is great live. I cannot say the same about Riley |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 5, 2016 21:05:59 GMT -5
During the Owens/Rhodes/Josh from tough Enough twitter debacle.... Bull tweeted something about having respect for peers, to which Owens responded, "He's not our peer." Almost expected Josh to respond today with "Yeah, I'm not your peer. I'm still employed." Regardless, kinda sad to see these guys go but with all the people they're signing and giving TV time to... something HAD to give. Someone mentioned it a while back, but the NXT roster isn't just competing with the signees. They're competing with the unsigned talents that are brought in just to be jobbers. It's not the likes of Nakamura they have to worry about so much as the likes of Jesse Sorenson and Corey Hollis. People like Bull, Lefort, and Marcus can't just be enhancement talents anymore because WWE can always reach out to a random Indy journeyman for a one off. This is exactly why I've always said bringing back jobbers was a bad idea, because it just makes the lower end of the roster even more expendable. But WWE doesn't sign guys to developmental contracts so that they can be enhancement talents. It's part of one's working their way up to a push, sure, but that's to give them some time performing on camera and teach them the style in a live, active environment. Their worth isn't measured in "are they decent if we stick them with some other rando to lose to Enzo and Cass?" but in "do we think they can move on to the main roster and be good there?" These firings aren't because anyone decided that these guys aren't cutting it as jobbers, they're because people decided they weren't cutting it as talents worth being further developed and pushed. TV time is something given out for one day out of the month, but these people have full time jobs working in the performance center. When they're not training, they're working shows; there is time for people to show what they have to the decision makers who pick the ones who get pushed. It's the same way that some people get let go before they make it to TV, or even probably in some cases before they've been squashed at a live event. Jesse Sorenson didn't take away any opportunities from Bull Dempsey by eating a pin. |
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 5, 2016 22:18:20 GMT -5
Someone mentioned it a while back, but the NXT roster isn't just competing with the signees. They're competing with the unsigned talents that are brought in just to be jobbers. It's not the likes of Nakamura they have to worry about so much as the likes of Jesse Sorenson and Corey Hollis. But WWE doesn't sign guys to developmental contracts so that they can be enhancement talents. It's part of one's working their way up to a push, sure, but that's to give them some time performing on camera and teach them the style in a live, active environment. Their worth isn't measured in "are they decent if we stick them with some other rando to lose to Enzo and Cass?" but in "do we think they can move on to the main roster and be good there?" These firings aren't because anyone decided that these guys aren't cutting it as jobbers, they're because people decided they weren't cutting it as talents worth being further developed and pushed. TV time is something given out for one day out of the month, but these people have full time jobs working in the performance center. When they're not training, they're working shows; there is time for people to show what they have to the decision makers who pick the ones who get pushed. It's the same way that some people get let go before they make it to TV, or even probably in some cases before they've been squashed at a live event. Jesse Sorenson didn't take away any opportunities from Bull Dempsey by eating a pin. The problem is, though, that developmental is a longer process than normal, and so yes, being enhancement talent IS a necessary part of development. No matter how much you work in the Performance Center, there is no amount of training- even at a high level- that can match actual ring time, and no amount of ring time on the Florida house shows that compares to a jobber match on NXT where you're working with the best talent beyond that. So, yes, Jesse Sorensen is absolutely taking opportunities away from some of the people on the undercard (maybe not Dempsey, but to the lower-level NXT guys) by eating the pinfall, because he's taking away match time with one of the best performers in NXT, he's taking away time in front of the audience and a chance to get a reaction (and how Blue Pants succeeded proves even being a jobber can suddenly make you catch fire there), and no one- whether it's the lowcarders or Sorensen himself, is getting something from it. |
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Post by Richard on Feb 5, 2016 22:32:59 GMT -5
Bull already has his first booking, March 5 in Rahway, NJ.
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