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Post by sfvega on Feb 16, 2016 0:19:56 GMT -5
Sports circles meaning fans. If I or BRV or Kevin Hamilton had heard about it anywhere from 10-18 years ago and using FAN as a microcosm, wouldn't that lead you to believe that more than a few general sports fans have come across it?
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 16, 2016 0:31:29 GMT -5
Sports circles meaning fans. If I or BRV or Kevin Hamilton had heard about it anywhere from 10-18 years ago and using FAN as a microcosm, wouldn't that lead you to believe that more than a few general sports fans have come across it? Im not arguing that there are people there who know about it, just that I don't believe it was close to being widespread knowledge. This was a sports scandal pre-social media, it's exacerbations were minor news stories at best that were easily missed among all the other more important news stories of the day. I'd wager pretty heavily that most people who go onto a wikipedia page aren't reading every paragraph, but looking for biographic information or stats or such and only a small portion may learn of the scandal from that source or take it seriously. It's blown up because the sports media is finally shining a bright light on it for the first time in the modern news climate. For many fans, this will be the first exposure to it, either just hearing it for the first time or having heard of it but not hearing the full depth of Manning's deception and sleaziness.
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Post by sfvega on Feb 16, 2016 0:39:09 GMT -5
This is getting repetitive. Casual fans didn't know about it. More educated sports fans probably stumbled onto it at some point, whether they took it seriously or not. It was out there.
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Post by RKO on Feb 16, 2016 2:28:55 GMT -5
What's really hurting Peyton's credibility here is his own college teammates repeatedly state in sworn affidavits that he did purposely thrust his naked genitals in this woman's face, and that he lied and tried to ruin this woman's life to cover it up? Pretty laughable excuse he made up when questioned, that he was mooning a teammate when somehow his genitals mysteriously flew into this woman's face, what a joke. The teammate who witnessed this incident has publicly begged Peyton to stop lying and come clean, but instead the Manning's continue to hide the truth and trash the victim.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Feb 16, 2016 6:49:34 GMT -5
My best friend won't be happy if this continues to get hard press on it going forward. He's a huge Peyton Manning fan. I think if this incident really happened, he should have had to cough up a lot of money for a sexual harassment lawsuit. It very well may have happened given testimony from his university teammates. I've never been a big fan of the guys as I don't follow football much. My mother was saying just the other day she doesn't like Manning because he reminds her of my stuck-up snobby cousin. If you met my cousin, you'd agree. If this all gets proven, I hope Manning's reputation is as finite as Armstrong's and he has to bow out like he did. Armstrong's pretty much disappeared.
Oh, and Shaun King is not awesome. He's a scumbag conman who was disowned by DeRay McKesson for good reason. Man deserves his own shaming thread, but its up to the mods if that's allowed.
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Post by hossfan on Feb 16, 2016 8:09:11 GMT -5
I remember hearing about the incident around the time it happened, but from what I remember it was basically reported as him and another player mooning the woman (who I thought was a student, not an employee of the school).
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 16, 2016 8:45:54 GMT -5
I will be dissapointed if I found out regular Joe Peyton Manning actually drives a fancy car and doesn't spend all day eating oreo cookies and papa john pizza which he washes down with a can of Bud.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Feb 16, 2016 17:31:31 GMT -5
As someone said earlier, this is why you don't try to create a cult of personality out of athletes like this. You just don't.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 16, 2016 18:38:16 GMT -5
Did Peyton Manning do something unseemly towards the trainer? I don't know, maybe? I'm open to the possibility.
Do I assume that, if he had done it, that it was done with malicious intent? Again, it is possible but I do not assume so. He was a star athlete. As repugnant as such an act could be, I have no doubt that doing such a thing in other settings might have led to him getting laid despite just how disrespectful and violating such an act could be. I am not defending such a thing at all, but it could have been and entirely inappropriate and misogynistic attempt to make a pass at the woman. Make no mistake, it would be wrong but that might not be malicious in and of itself.
How do I feel about the accusations that he tried to retaliate by ruining her career? That is a different matter altogether. That is pure victim blaming and malicious. There is no spin that can possibly be put on such actions that could be painted in any positive light. It was wrong if done. Completely and unequivocally wrong and he should be called out for that.
It does make me wonder what else has been stifled regarding Manning. The only other thing that immediately comes to mind is a supposed affair with Angela Buchman (a local meteorologist). That story got pushed aside rather quickly, which is impressive considering that there aren't a lot of local celebrity gossip to feature.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 17, 2016 0:09:27 GMT -5
Well thing is, it went away pretty quickly back then. You read a story about it, it was the briefest of things, and then POOF!
Some of that is probably cuz it was 98, and there wasn't the pervasiveness of the internet like back then. Plus, even when the story was reported, it wasn't treated as THAT big a deal.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 17, 2016 16:02:05 GMT -5
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Post by BRV on Feb 17, 2016 17:17:03 GMT -5
I'd expect nothing less from the moron who had league rules changed to suit Peyton Manning when his precious baby wasn't handed a Super Bowl on a silver platter in the early 2000s. Bill Polian has been and will always be a horse's ass. Of course he's going to defend his guy because he, like so many others, are willing to sink with the ship and blame the victim until the ship is completely submerged because it's Peyton Manning being accused and there's absolutely no possible way Peyton Manning could have sexually assaulted a trainer.
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Post by Sparvid on Feb 18, 2016 2:50:08 GMT -5
Did he name her in the book? I would think that it's a general rule that if you're going to write something negative you can't 100% prove about someone in an autobiography, you'd use quite vague terms like "a staff member", or "a schoolmate" or something.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 19, 2016 13:23:03 GMT -5
What's really hurting Peyton's credibility here is his own college teammates repeatedly state in sworn affidavits that he did purposely thrust his naked genitals in this woman's face, and that he lied and tried to ruin this woman's life to cover it up? Pretty laughable excuse he made up when questioned, that he was mooning a teammate when somehow his genitals mysteriously flew into this woman's face, what a joke. The teammate who witnessed this incident has publicly begged Peyton to stop lying and come clean, but instead the Manning's continue to hide the truth and trash the victim. So he went with the Lance Armstrong route: Lie about it and cover it up while destroying other people's lives.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 22, 2016 22:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by domrep on Feb 23, 2016 12:03:16 GMT -5
It's crazy that ESPN is coming out with this considering the slurpfest on Manning the last few years or so. Between the HGH stuff (his PI's going to the accusers house) and the sexual assault stuff...he's better off retiring. Also that HGH stuff got all the more interesting, if he tried to cover the sexual assault up, who's to say he didn't try to do it with the HGH?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Feb 24, 2016 8:18:45 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 25, 2016 8:38:47 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Feb 25, 2016 11:31:24 GMT -5
My doing stupid shit in college phase was drinking too much, puking, and suffering from a bad hangover the next day. I never, ever felt the need to shove my junk in someone's face.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Feb 25, 2016 11:42:34 GMT -5
It does make me wonder what else has been stifled regarding Manning. The only other thing that immediately comes to mind is a supposed affair with Angela Buchman (a local meteorologist). That story got pushed aside rather quickly, which is impressive considering that there aren't a lot of local celebrity gossip to feature. Ah yes. Another "Indiana sports hero has an affair with local personality" story. Just like the Reggie Miller/The Watsons chick affair from the 90s.
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